Oh dear, Egypt is going south.

just me said:
wanted. Is there enough hatred in America to have this happen here as is in the streets of North Africa and the Middle East? I do not think so.
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I don't think so either, but sometimes I sure as hell wish there was.
 
just me said:
Easy to cause riots in some places. Easy to point fingers, too. I will try my best to not say "I told you so" when the levee breaks. Been studying this since 1982 and have learned who to listen to and who to avoid for the most part. It becomes difficult to keep my feelings inside, but the internet offers a release valve. Sorry for venting.

I don't mind change; it is the things I see down the road that sometimes cause me sorrow. It is a burden I would not wish to lose, though. Maybe I should stay away from the internet altogether; keep it all inside.

Everywhere there is a fondled alter boy, there is Radical Islam killing people.
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I actually agree with you about Radical Islam and Sharia law.. The Muslim Brotherhood claims to be peaceful, but I'm still not a fan of any religion or religious sect that seeks to govern.
But I was only stating that the protests didn't start out violent... They're calling for democracy, I didn't hear anything about them wanting the Muslim Brotherhood to take over and implement Sharia law. The Muslim Brotherhood wants to take over, but I haven't heard that the people want that. Or am I wrong? Somebody?

Anyway.
No need to avoid internet discussion if there's a disagreement... and your venting did not offend me personally.
 
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The Muslim brotherhood has always opposed this regime but there were never any substantial revolts or even protests; but this revolution is the result of the common man, the non-Islamic, the secular, the leftist, the Christian, the pan-arabist, the modern Egyptian no longer tolerating the regime.

It's extremely vicious and hypocritical to oppose this revolution for freedom and democracy and to support a criminal regime that is still to this moment using every possible way to repress and kill the people it's supposed to protect.

Pretty graphic:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEQVJOBvG6c"]YouTube - Egyptian Revolution The diplomatic car that ran over 20 people in cairo[/ame]

I wonder how much more of these crimes are going on while no one is filming.
 
This seems to be because on one hand you have the ideals or appearance of a western republican/democracy, but a corrupted government that wants it both ways.

Hopefully some positive reform can happen in Egypt now, and I beleive we have one brave little girl to thank for this.
 
slant said:
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There's no significant amount of oil in Egypt. Only a bit in the Sinai Desert, which was developed by the Israelis before the the peace treaty. There is some natural gas in Egypt, which is exported via pipelines to Israel and Jordan. This export was disrupted today by an explosion at a pipeline (sabotage?).
 
I think the general will in Egypt is for the better. But all upheavals carry some risks, and in this case there is risk that a badly-handled "transition" will be usurped by less-desirable rulers, resulting in a backwards step for democracy and freedoms.
 
bickelz said:
Even if this is a sham for "radical islam" to grab power, who is to say that it will automatically be violent. People need to stop being so paranoid about Islam, it is peaceful.
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Radical Islam is fundementally violent. Anyone who thinks that radical islam grabbing power will be peaceful is either an idiot or so PC that he/she ignores reality.

I support undemocratic measures to keep Islam at bay.
 
Absch said:
Radical Islam is fundementally violent. Anyone who thinks that radical islam grabbing power will be peaceful is either an idiot or so PC that he/she ignores reality.

I support undemocratic measures to keep Islam at bay.
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You labeled it as radical Islam, the brotherhood is democratic and peaceful in essence. They have condoned Al Qaeda and terrorist actions. You're either an idiot or you ignore reality.

Edit: The Muslim bortherhood does not represent the majority of Egyptians, but it's most likely to win if there were any elections because it has managed to stay united for decades despite all the harassment from the regime because it's the oldest party in Egypt and was historically well rooted. While the "seculars" never managed to really take off, they were destroyed as soon as they announced themselves.
 
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Billy said:
This will not end well for real democracies. This is just a sham for the islamic fundamentalists to grab control, whereas before they were semi-checked by a dictator, who will have been considered an enlightened dictator once the people of egypt see whats coming next. Another "march Israel into the sea" faction is on the rise, dont be surprised if the Israelis decide to defend themselves with force. And I would support that.
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How about we actually give at least some countries in the middle east some credit and not assume they're going to elect some religious extremist. I doubt they ever would have in Egypt but of course only western countries are able to have working democracies...
 
poshlost said:
You labeled it as radical Islam, the brotherhood is democratic and peaceful in essence. They have condoned Al Qaeda and terrorist actions. You're either an idiot or you ignore reality.

Edit: The Muslim bortherhood does not represent the majority of Egyptians, but it's most likely to win if there were any elections because it has managed to stay united for decades despite all the harassment from the regime because it's the oldest party in Egypt and was historically well rooted. While the "seculars" never managed to really take off, they were destroyed as soon as they announced themselves.
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The free dictionary states:
"condone - excuse, overlook, or make allowances for; be lenient with; "excuse someone's behavior"...

So are you saying the Muslim Brotherhood actually agreed with Al Queda and terrorists actions?
 
I agree with you magister343...but she was calling Absch an idiot. It seemed to me that it was a case of "the pot calling the kettle black"....

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Yup, condemned. I had been awake for a couple of nights, I mess up words when tired. But it is an opportunity for a Freudian to take a jab at me.
 
It has been said that:

Before Osama bin Laden formed al Qaeda, he belonged to the Muslim Brotherhood. So did his top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
In addition, the terrorist group Hamas identifies itself as the Muslim Brotherhood's Palestinian branch.

worth a little research
 
just me said:
It has been said that:

Before Osama bin Laden formed al Qaeda, he belonged to the Muslim Brotherhood. So did his top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
In addition, the terrorist group Hamas identifies itself as the Muslim Brotherhood's Palestinian branch.

worth a little research
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Is this before or after he was an ally of the United States?
 
Norton said:
There's no significant amount of oil in Egypt. Only a bit in the Sinai Desert, which was developed by the Israelis before the the peace treaty. There is some natural gas in Egypt, which is exported via pipelines to Israel and Jordan. This export was disrupted today by an explosion at a pipeline (sabotage?).
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No, it's all about the Suez Canal. If Egypt closes that down it's about 14 days to go around it for our ships, which means we need to insure our tankers for that and it costs more money to transport the oil here which mean higher prices for americans as well as for taxpayers.

Not only that, but if Egypt goes south, they're one of our most conveniently located allies in the middle east because of that pipe you mentioned and we invested way too much time and money, yes, money in their elected official for it all to end up in shambles. There is no reason that anyone is actually concerned about Egypt, all we're worried about is our oil.
 
slant said:
No, it's all about the Suez Canal. If Egypt closes that down it's about 14 days to go around it for our ships, which means we need to insure our tankers for that and it costs more money to transport the oil here which mean higher prices for americans as well as for taxpayers.

Not only that, but if Egypt goes south, they're one of our most conveniently located allies in the middle east because of that pipe you mentioned and we invested way too much time and money, yes, money in their elected official for it all to end up in shambles. There is no reason that anyone is actually concerned about Egypt, all we're worried about is our oil.
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Supertankers cannot fit through the suez canal at full load
 
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