Possible solutions to the worlds problems

WWMD

What would you do tomorrow [MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION]? First day on the job...
 
just me said:
How would we value our things?
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Through needs not wants

The profit driven system warps things out of shape...we end up filling the world with unnecessary junk whilst many go hungry

We need a reapraisal of what people need and we need to prioritise those things
 
just me said:
Sounds simple in a complicated world.
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There is such a thing as over complicating things...see for example the derivatives market

The important thing is to get the dialogue going on alternatives...it's from that process that the solutions will then emerge and evolve
 
[MENTION=6917]sprinkles[/MENTION]

What do you think of this email service that is said to be NSA proof?

http://survivalbackpack.us/free-nsa-proof-email-finally-available-public/

When the NSA surveillance news broke last year it sent shockwaves through CERN, the particle physics laboratory in Switzerland. Andy Yen, a PhD student, took to the Young at CERN Facebook group with a simple message: “I am very concerned about the privacy issue, and I was wondering what I could do about it.”
There was a massive response, and of the 40 or so active in the discussion, six started meeting at CERN’s Restaurant Number 1, pooling their deep knowledge of computing and physics to found ProtonMail, a gmail-like email system which uses end-to-end encryption, making it impossible for outside parties to monitor.
Encrypted emails have actually been around since the 1980s, but they are extremely difficult to use. When Edward Snowden asked a reporter to use an end-to-end encrypted email to share details of the NSA surveillance program the reporter couldn’t get the system to work, says Yen.
“We encrypt the data on the browser before it comes to the server,” he explains. “By the time the data comes to the server it’s already encrypted, so if someone comes to us and says we’d like to read the emails of this person, all we can say is we have the encrypted data but we’re sorry we don’t have the encryption key and we can’t give you the encryption key.”
“We’ve basically separated the message that’s encrypted apart from the key – all the encryption takes place on your computer instead of our servers, so there’s no way for us to see the original message.”
This is different from all other systems, says Yen. While Gmail has implemented some encryption, they still have the encrypted message and the key to decrypt the message.
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While half the team is now at MIT, some are still in Switzerland where the ProtonMail’s servers are housed for extra protection. “One of the key things we want to do is control our servers and make sure all the servers are in Switzerland which will increase privacy because Switzerland doesn’t do things like seize servers or tape conversations,” says Yen. This will help avoid a situation where the U.S government could forcibly shut them down, says Yen, similar to what happened to Lavabit last year.
Yen has turned down venture capital firms looking to invest in ProtonMail. “The reason we have to be bootstrapped is because if we take our money from something like Google GOOGL +1.49% Ventures, there goes our credibility. By being in this market we have to fund ourselves,” he says, adding that they’re considering a crowdfunding round next month.
ProtonMail’s revenue model is similar to something like Dropbox – charging only for extra storage.
“One of our motivations was human rights,” says Yen. “Having privacy is very important from a freedom of speech standpoint.”
The paid accounts will be $5/month and will provide 1GB of storage. Yen says they will accept bitcoin or even cash payments to allow users to remain anonymous.
They recently ran an update so they could support Chinese. Yen says they didn’t advertise this but through Twitter TWTR -3.24% a blogger who has been involved in the freedom of speech movement heard about the service.
“All of a sudden we had an influx of hundreds of Chinese users – these are dissidents that don’t want the government to be tracking them,” says Yen. “It’s because we want to support users like this that we want to keep a certain level of the service free.”
Yen expects they’ll see the most traction in countries like China, Syria, Russia and Iran, where “you have these massive populations who cannot send an email without fear that they’re going to get arrested.”
It’s also an alternative to the ad-based revenue model of free services like Gmail which actively scan your emails to deliver relevant ads to you online.
“You’re forced to trust Google,” says Yen. “What this really shows is that Google is not really trustworthy. Google makes money by scanning your emails and feeding you ads off of what you’re writing about; part of their core structure is to allow Gmail to read your emails and use your data.”

Most of ProtonMail’s team spends half their time working on the project. “We’re all CERN or MIT scientists, so we’re doing research on computing, mathematics, physics that’s actually closely related to what we do on the secure email. Encryption is very mathematical so we have four PhD physicists working on this,” says Yen.
ProtonMail just launched globally out of a private beta and is currently working on an Android or iPhone app expected to be ready by the end of the summer. Yen says demand is far higher than expected.
“We’re close to 20,000 users now and have had to close the signups temporarily while we add more servers. We were not expecting 10,000 users per day even in our most optimistic projections so we’re scrambling now to support more,” he says.

- See more at: http://survivalbackpack.us/free-nsa-proof-email-finally-available-public/#sthash.40Dkb6qE.dpuf
 
Ex CIA agent says citizens journalists/bloggers latching onto certain issues and topics will shape tomorrow

[video=youtube;WLr8ZvgURg0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLr8ZvgURg0[/video]
 
[MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION]

It's a step in the right direction. However it's still not NSA proof. Nothing is. Using a browser for email is still a risk because the browser itself can be hijacked. If you type anything into a computer there's a risk of it being intercepted before the encryption takes place.

This is still better than nothing though because it doesn't put all eggs in one basket. It would make things a lot more difficult to spy on, because they'd have to compromise all the computers somehow rather than catching everything on the server. So it's a step forward for sure, but nothing is 100% safe other than not using computers.
 
carrier pigeon if it's so important
courier
But, it would be so simple to say what you want to say without anyone else knowing.

I'm not planning to overthrow a government, so who cares what someone else sees?
 
dogman6126 said:
interesting word choice
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if you are looking for debate as a form of sport i am saying to you that these things i'm talking about are real and happening so for me it's not really a case of debating for sport...i'm telling you what i know
 
just me said:
I'm not planning to overthrow a government, so who cares what someone else sees?
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It is also important to note that even with all those emails collected, almost all the time no person ever looks at them. They use data mining and other data scanning techniques. No human really looks at it unless it throws up red flags.
 
sprinkles said:
@muir

It's a step in the right direction. However it's still not NSA proof. Nothing is. Using a browser for email is still a risk because the browser itself can be hijacked. If you type anything into a computer there's a risk of it being intercepted before the encryption takes place.

This is still better than nothing though because it doesn't put all eggs in one basket. It would make things a lot more difficult to spy on, because they'd have to compromise all the computers somehow rather than catching everything on the server. So it's a step forward for sure, but nothing is 100% safe other than not using computers.
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So you'd still have to do like snowden got glen greenwald to do and use an encryption programme?

Also the idea of the server being in switzerland doesn't make it bomb proof either seeing as the headquarters of the central banking cabal, the Bank of International Settlements (BIS) is in switzerland their location doesn't fill me with confidence
 
dogman6126 said:
It is also important to note that even with all those emails collected, almost all the time no person ever looks at them. They use data mining and other data scanning techniques. No human really looks at it unless it throws up red flags.
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It's like the ex CIA guy says in the clip above....they're looking for patterns

You're right though that they have algorithms that are like fishing nets trawling the data to pick up key words which might then get analysed by a human but otherwise they still want the data to look for patterns

However there is another reason which is often brought up by civil rights activists and that is that they are storing everything you do and say over electronic medium; even if they don't look at it when it comes in, if you one day find your self on the wrong side of some government legislation you might decide that you want to protest that and in response the government delves into all your data looking for anything that will give them the edge over you or which they can use against you
 
just me said:
carrier pigeon if it's so important
courier
But, it would be so simple to say what you want to say without anyone else knowing.

I'm not planning to overthrow a government, so who cares what someone else sees?
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You're not planning to overthrow a government....yet

Let's say that the cabal roll their plans on a bit further and they get to the point where they feel strong enough to wage all out war on christians who they see as a threat

They outlaw christianity and begin locking up anyone who meets in secret to read the bible

You might decide at that point that you do want to speak to people about the government but they will catch you because you have allowed them total insight into your communications. Also once they identify you as a potential enemy of the state they will go back into anything you've said through electronic medium as well as your tax records witha fine tooth comb looking for anything incriminating

You may say ''well i haven't said anyhting incriminating so i'm not worried'' but that is only now.....in the future they might change the definition of what is incriminating. Being a christian might fall, under new legislation that categorises it as falling under 'terrorism' laws and suddenyl all those emails and blogs you made about christianity mark you out as a 'terrorist' and therefore an enemy of the state

This is not just about guarding our freedoms now, it is about guarding our freedoms in the future, which is why some very sensible people wrote down a constitution which is now being undermined

We don't have a written constitution in the UK which is why some are still bowing and scraping to a monarch and can be charged with 'treason' for even discussing a world without monarchy
 
muir said:
So you'd still have to do like snowden got glen greenwald to do and use an encryption programme?

Also the idea of the server being in switzerland doesn't make it bomb proof either seeing as the headquarters of the central banking cabal, the Bank of International Settlements (BIS) is in switzerland their location doesn't fill me with confidence
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An encryption program would only be one more layer of security.

To be completely secure the message would have to be encoded off of the computer and then the coded message is what ends up typed in. Because otherwise if you're typing on the device itself, the unencrypted message must still go through the operating system because it has to be able to take your plain text and encrypt it. This means the plain text must be held somewhere in memory to be encoded. There's programs that can intercept what comes right off your keyboard, these are some times used to steal passwords and such. So it isn't really safe to type anything in the clear.
 
muir said:
It's like the ex CIA guy says in the clip above....they're looking for patterns

You're right though that they have algorithms that are like fishing nets trawling the data to pick up key words which might then get analysed by a human but otherwise they still want the data to look for patterns

However there is another reason which is often brought up by civil rights activists and that is that they are storing everything you do and say over electronic medium; even if they don't look at it when it comes in, if you one day find your self on the wrong side of some government legislation you might decide that you want to protest that and in response the government delves into all your data looking for anything that will give them the edge over you or which they can use against you
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Statute of limitations protects us against criminal trials after a set number of years, so if you did something in the past, and they bring it up later it has to be within that time span. Also, if they are just bringing up slanderous statements that are not related to the case, then the fifth amendment would protect the plaintiff through right against self incrimination and double jeopardy. Also your lawyer could object to being off topic.
 
sprinkles said:
An encryption program would only be one more layer of security.

To be completely secure the message would have to be encoded off of the computer and then the coded message is what ends up typed in. Because otherwise if you're typing on the device itself, the unencrypted message must still go through the operating system because it has to be able to take your plain text and encrypt it. This means the plain text must be held somewhere in memory to be encoded. There's programs that can intercept what comes right off your keyboard, these are some times used to steal passwords and such. So it isn't really safe to type anything in the clear.
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Gotcha

I guess if they want to do something bad enough they would find a way

Even if you were encrypting offline they could still put surveillance tech into your home and see what you were encrypting

What they really want to be able to do is read our minds and no doubt they are working on that too!

They aim to control what goes on in peopels minds obviously but there will always be some divergents who go off message
 
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