[INFJ] Post Your Enneagram Tritype

Ren said:
Or you are a 954 like him? :m131:
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John K said:
I’m there earlier in the thread. I’m not happy with the output from the questionnaires so I’ve started to read the actual type descriptions. I think type 5 is too passive for me and leaves a hell of a lot out. I’m thinking 954 or 945 might be better, but I’m not really happy with any one of these 3 leading. Probably need to do more work understanding the concepts and descriptions.
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Well I bought an Enneagram idiot's guide which is very helpful and I'd say 5 is unlikely to be my core after reading up on it - I think it's an avatar I adopted defensively as a child because of peer social problems, and it is definitely part of my make-up, but some of the key inter-personal behavioural characteristics aren't core to me. I ran twice through the test that @Sandie33 recommended and got 4, 5, 9 the first time and 9, 5, 4 the second. Seems there is still a lot of ambiguity there and I'll have to do some more reading on 4 and 9.

There is actually a lot of 2 in me as well according to the type description - I've done my share of over-commiting empathy-wise. I'm too diffident to hit the problems of helping intrusively though, and often actually hold back rather than help, even where I can see it's needed, because I don't like intruding. So 9 rather than 2 seems good.

On the bright side, I'm getting <4 5 9> consistently in the tritype, and I'm happy with these in combination, but no clear core type. It may be that I'll just have to settle for my core definitely lying somewhere in that space but no more specifically than that for the time being. I seem to be in odd good company anyway with these 3 types :D
 
John K said:
Well I bought an Enneagram idiot's guide which is very helpful and I'd say 5 is unlikely to be my core after reading up on it - I think it's an avatar I adopted defensively as a child because of peer social problems, and it is definitely part of my make-up, but some of the key inter-personal behavioural characteristics aren't core to me. I ran twice through the test that @Sandie33 recommended and got 4, 5, 9 the first time and 9, 5, 4 the second. Seems there is still a lot of ambiguity there and I'll have to do some more reading on 4 and 9.

There is actually a lot of 2 in me as well according to the type description - I've done my share of over-commiting empathy-wise. I'm too diffident to hit the problems of helping intrusively though, and often actually hold back rather than help, even where I can see it's needed, because I don't like intruding. So 9 rather than 2 seems good.

On the bright side, I'm getting <4 5 9> consistently in the tritype, and I'm happy with these in combination, but no clear core type. It may be that I'll just have to settle for my core definitely lying somewhere in that space but no more specifically than that for the time being. I seem to be in odd good company anyway with these 3 types :D
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That's interesting, though some combination of 4, 5, and 9 is pretty broad to be honest. An intellectual who is concerned with their individuality and interspersonal harmony could describe a lot, in not most, INFJs here.

Have you ever looked into the combination of MBTI and Enneagram to produce subtype descriptions? It makes sense to I me, since one is cognitive and the other brahavioural, and so they seem to go together fairly well.

For example, this is mine: http://mbti-resources.tumblr.com/post/129835825051/type-1-intjs

Which is why I'm pretty sure that my 'assertiveness' has the character of a 1w2 INTJ rather than something in the 8 space.
 
Deleted member 16771 said:
That's interesting, though some combination of 4, 5, and 9 is pretty broad to be honest. An intellectual who is concerned with their individuality and interspersonal harmony could describe a lot, in not most, INFJs here.

Have you ever looked into the combination of MBTI and Enneagram to produce subtype descriptions? It makes sense to I me, since one is cognitive and the other brahavioural, and so they seem to go together fairly well.

For example, this is mine: http://mbti-resources.tumblr.com/post/129835825051/type-1-intjs

Which is why I'm pretty sure that my 'assertiveness' has the character of a 1w2 INTJ rather than something in the 8 space.
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Thanks for this Deleted member 16771. That description sounds pretty good! How well do you identify with it? I'll check out the infj details on that site.

Yeah, there's no stopping at the ambiguity in my own tritype though I seem to have narrowed the core to a choice between 4 and 9 at the moment. I don't have any sense of identity bound up with my most likely Enneagram type like I did with mbti, so I'm going to take my time with it and enjoy exploring. Perhaps I'll forever be lost in the forests of Enneagram ambiguity ....... hmm, sounds a bit 4-ish to me........
 
John K said:
Thanks for this Deleted member 16771. That description sounds pretty good! How well do you identify with it? I'll check out the infj details on that site.

Yeah, there's no stopping at the ambiguity in my own tritype though I seem to have narrowed the core to a choice between 4 and 9 at the moment. I don't have any sense of identity bound up with my most likely Enneagram type like I did with mbti, so I'm going to take my time with it and enjoy exploring. Perhaps I'll forever be lost in the forests of Enneagram ambiguity ....... hmm, sounds a bit 4-ish to me........
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Lololol.

Well, it's a shame that they don't go into more detail on 1w2, instead focusing on 1w9, but this bit:

Type 1: The core desire of this type is perfection. The core fear is corruption. There is a fixation with right action and ethics, the nature of which varies with the wing.

1w2 individuals focus on making morally correct decisions. 1w9 individuals focus on making logically correct decisions.
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The core desire and core fear really hit me. Of course in my case the ultimate fear is to be anything like my father (corruption): the very thought fills me with the utmost dread and terror. In response, yes, the desire is moral perfection.

The issue is that, deep down, I don't know if I could be like him or not. I've never been a violent person, and I was very peaceful as a child, but I've definitely been driven into apocalyptic rages before when confronted with serious injustices, so I know I have a temper.

I can't even think of the prospect of me being domestically violent without bursting out into hot tears (like now), and so I have to wrap that fear in metaphors of moral perfection; of solidity, strength, and infinite determination. It's buried within a sphere of steel a mile thick, and I don't know what would happen if that steel core would ever crack: maybe an innocent child would step out, maybe a daemon.

It's a torture that I've lived with for my entire life; a constant presence. This is why I think that it's so important as to how you raise the son of a domestic abuser - I think my mum did a good job on the a whole, but once the son is identified with the father, then his sins can be impossible to extinguish.

Perhaps without this life experience I might be more clearly 5-ish, or 2-ish, or whatever it is; perhaps that might be what I would be like when at 'peace', but I'm not.

The steel core is at once a burden and a boon; its presence is constant, overwhelming and dominating. I don't know if I will ever feel redeemed (for something I haven't done), so yeah, that's why I'm 1w2 and can be no other.
 
Deleted member 16771 said:
Lololol.

Well, it's a shame that they don't go into more detail on 1w2, instead focusing on 1w9, but this bit:



The core desire and core fear really hit me. Of course in my case the ultimate fear is to be anything like my father (corruption): the very thought fills me with the utmost dread and terror. In response, yes, the desire is moral perfection.

The issue is that, deep down, I don't know if I could be like him or not. I've never been a violent person, and I was very peaceful as a child, but I've definitely been driven into apocalyptic rages before when confronted with serious injustices, so I know I have a temper.

I can't even think of the prospect of me being domestically violent without bursting out into hot tears (like now), and so I have to wrap that fear in metaphors of moral perfection; of solidity, strength, and infinite determination. It's buried within a sphere of steel a mile thick, and I don't know what would happen if that steel core would ever crack: maybe an innocent child would step out, maybe a daemon.

It's a torture that I've lived with for my entire life; a constant presence. This is why I think that it's so important as to how you raise the son of a domestic abuser - I think my mum did a good job on the a whole, but once the son is identified with the father, then his sins can be impossible to extinguish.

Perhaps without this life experience I might be more clearly 5-ish, or 2-ish, or whatever it is; perhaps that might be what I would be like when at 'peace', but I'm not.

The steel core is at once a burden and a boon; its presence is constant, overwhelming and dominating. I don't know if I will ever feel redeemed (for something I haven't done), so yeah, that's why I'm 1w2 and can be no other.
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I won’t post any thoughts until I’ve let this soak in a bit - except that I’m sure I’m not the only one who feels this very deeply with you. The trouble is that words always sound so inadequate.
 
John K said:
I won’t post any thoughts until I’ve let this soak in a bit - except that I’m sure I’m not the only one who feels this very deeply with you. The trouble is that words always sound so inadequate.
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It's OK, John, you never sound any less than utterly sincere to me.

And btw I didn't want to derail the thread like that, but when I think about these things it just kind of takes over and I can't ignore it. There's also the craving for connection and understanding, which I suppose this place is built for.
 
Deleted member 16771 said:
The issue is that, deep down, I don't know if I could be like him or not. I've never been a violent person, and I was very peaceful as a child, but I've definitely been driven into apocalyptic rages before when confronted with serious injustices, so I know I have a temper.
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We're all capable of things far outside our perceptions of our preconceived notions of who we are. Don't underestimate your reach, but don't be afraid of it either. Understand it. Respect it.
 
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