#1 they lived. point done.
#2 Intertwined? interesting! I am pretty sure men have been told WOMEN DONT NEED them for the past 50 plus years. Now you blame generations of men for viewing the situation as independent?
Look ya cant have it both ways. either A your stance is we are together! as a human race which means Both extreme sides are wrong, and the balance is some where in the middle..... which if we go by the history of mankind we have specific gender strengths and we play too said strengths to survive. This is simply a know fact. If this is the stance than no more talk of oppression
Or you can say all that shit is oppressive and men are oppressive to women and now the oppressed is now the oppressor and women can easily oppress men and have.....we have a civil war. right now its just a war so its time to pick a side.
Or back to point A we sue for peace.