Saving America. Recognizing the traitor and terrorist elements at work against it.

Every now and then you step up make a fairly profound statement.

Your going to tell me you read invisibles initial set of questions and understood them perfectly? So you know what this conversation is about enough to comment on it? You are seriously going to make that statement?

I apologize stu if you saw this post before I deleted my explicative out of it. I was upset having just read the's post. However my above question minus that still stands.
 
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Im not going to continue to spell everything out for you. You will have to refer back to the perfect example I gave you if you would like to glean anything from this convo. Let me put it to you this way, I understand everything invisible has asked, you admit you don't. How are more examples going to help? You are always beating around the bush or changing the subject when presented with information that challenges your preconceived notions.

Especially considering you said you were sorry for asking and then asked again.

Your full of shit. Anyone reading through this thread will see that. I dont know what game you are playing. Congratulations you have officially pissed me off.
 
Your full of shit. Anyone reading through this thread will see that. I dont know what game you are playing. Congratulations you have officially pissed me off.

Thats rude to say.
 
Thats rude to say.

Its completely accurate. Right now I am on the fence with blocking you. Ive been waiting to see if any amount of regret takes hold of you. Ive treated you with respect here and attempted to have a real conversation with you. You continue to say things that simply are not true, to make accusations that are clearly not true and then to not back them up when asked. Of course you cant because theres no substance but you also wont retract what you have said nor apologize. In my mind you are becoming irrelevant. You are showing yourself to be juvenile and I really have no time or patience for people like that.
As I have said I haven't decided what to make of this yet. Maybe your just having a bad week. Its my hope you come to your senses, settle down so that future conversations are possible with you.
 
Your going to tell me you read invisibles initial set of questions and understood them perfectly? So you know what this conversation is about enough to comment on it? You are seriously going to make that statement?

I apologize stu if you saw this post before I deleted my explicative out of it. I was upset having just read the's post. However my above question minus that still stands.

Yes, I seriously made that statement. Frankly, invisible is pretty easy to understand and he is a straight forward kinda guy. I don't know why invisible being easy to understand throws you into a rage, but maybe you can reevaluate yourself and improve that part of your personality.
 
Its completely accurate. Right now I am on the fence with blocking you. Ive been waiting to see if any amount of regret takes hold of you. Ive treated you with respect here and attempted to have a real conversation with you. You continue to say things that simply are not true, to make accusations that are clearly not true and then to not back them up when asked. Of course you cant because theres no substance but you also wont retract what you have said nor apologize. In my mind you are becoming irrelevant. You are showing yourself to be juvenile and I really have no time or patience for people like that.
As I have said I haven't decided what to make of this yet. Maybe your just having a bad week. Its my hope you come to your senses, settle down so that future conversations are possible with you.


No one needs a lecture. I'm just not playing your game and it enrages you. Btw I did give you evidence and you just decided to not accept it. Even though it totally proved my point. I don't need to settle down, you are the one swearing on the forum.
 
Yes, I seriously made that statement. Frankly, invisible is pretty easy to understand and he is a straight forward kinda guy. I don't know why invisible being easy to understand throws you into a rage, but maybe you can reevaluate yourself and improve that part of your personality.

Im sorry, this question is directed at stu. I will not accept your answer as his answer.
 
No one needs a lecture. I'm just not playing your game and it enrages you. Btw I did give you evidence and you just decided to not accept it. Even though it totally proved my point. I don't need to settle down, you are the one swearing on the forum.

My game... cute. Thank you for telling me your intent. You are now blocked.
 
Some day I shall write a hymn about the struggles of Cats in a Cup and Dog by the Window.

(Sorry, I've been watching too much Game of Thrones)
 
Well for one people getting organised in the ways that you mention gives me a lot of fear as I've read up on history quite a bit.
I can assure you it doesn't end well, human nature doesn't work like that. I suggest instead of focusing on present material you expand it (you should be good at this as an INTJ :) ).
Things might start off a certain way but the wrong people do take the helm. Even though I don't agree with your opinions I know that you have good intent to your minds eye.
 
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Your going to tell me you read invisibles initial set of questions and understood them perfectly? So you know what this conversation is about enough to comment on it? You are seriously going to make that statement?

I apologize stu if you saw this post before I deleted my explicative out of it. I was upset having just read the's post. However my above question minus that still stands.

I think that I repeated at least part of what I wrote almost verbatim once or maybe even twice. However, it's clear that there has been some sort of misunderstanding, and in future I will strive to achieve greater clarity in composing the expressions I share on this forum.
 
I think that I repeated at least part of what I wrote almost verbatim once or maybe even twice. However, it's clear that there has been some sort of misunderstanding, and in future I will strive to achieve greater clarity in composing the expressions I share on this forum.

Clarity is important. To not "guess" at what you think the person is asking is important.
In any case whatever the reason people want to use as to why I did not understand your questions is what it is. They can say it was for x reason, they can say it was for z reason. The idea that someone would favor their own answer instead of the actual persons in question answer and promote that instead is childish, deceitful and malicious. Especially when there is absolutely no evidence to support the claim.

When a person asks another person to clarify so that they can better understand and in turn provide a better answer, that is called communication. Its mind boggling to me how that can somehow be turned around and be promoted as anything other than that.
In both your and my case we ended up communicating and yet for some reason an outside influence decided to get into the middle of that and create decite and strife. Going even further to turn the assertions I was making back on me without answering those assertions. This tactic is a ruse famously used by a no longer present user profile here in the past. The echo of it though does make me wonder if the person behind the profile is not indeed healthy and in possession of many still active profiles. But I digress.

Thank you for being patient with me invisible.
 
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Some day I shall write a hymn about the struggles of Cats in a Cup and Dog by the Window.

(Sorry, I've been watching too much Game of Thrones)

The struggle is no more. At least one embattled ship in that fight has gone down.
 
Well for one people getting organised in the ways that you mention gives me a lot of fear as I've read up on history quite a bit.
I can assure you it doesn't end well, human nature doesn't work like that. I suggest instead of focusing on present material you expand it (you should be good at this as an INTJ :) ).
Things might start off a certain way but the wrong people do take the helm. Even though I don't agree with your opinions I know that you have good intent to your minds eye.

You see, this is a thoughtful response telling me how I might be wrong. Thank you.
 
You say that it is important to preserve America the way that it was intended to be, and that America was intended to be a republic. Yet you say that the means of preserving America as it was intended to be, is to take away voting rights from American people.

1. Doesn't taking away people's voting rights compromise the way that America was intended to be?

2. If taking away voting rights compromises what America was intended to be, then how can you argue that you are doing it for the reason that it preserves what America was intended to be?

3. How can it be determined that removing voting rights will preserve the way that America was intended to be to a greater extent than by allowing people to vote according to their own political convictions?

4. You say that people hate America because it is free - for example, that people are free to create a life of their own choosing. If you are taking away people's right to vote, aren't you taking away their ability to create a life of their own choosing?

5. If having a life of one's own choosing is restricted only to certain individuals in a society, say by who is permitted to vote and who isn't, then how is that society more free than a society that does not allow women to vote?

6. Was your remark that groups of people should be excluded from voting intended seriously?

These questions seem perfectly clear to me.
 
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Elements within the world hate the freedom people in the US enjoy and represent to the rest of the world. It apparently is seen as a very threat to their existence. Today we have any number of countries desperately trying to control their population all while that population says, “We want what America has, they have it, why cant we?”

Huh? I haven't met any Canadians, other than the rich ones, who want to have anything to do with America... and I was born and raised one state on other side of their border.

Japanese - Have a strong economy and come here in the droves... as tourists. They visit the sites, take pictures and go home.

French, Germans, most of Europe - Not a chance they're going to give up a government that actually provides for its citizens.

You have two groups of people that come to America looking for fortune and fame. The super rich that can afford our imbalanced system and take advantage of it for themselves (how many foreign firms own "traditional" American centers/buildings/sites again? Visit Rockefeller Center one day and my point will be clear as day) and their generally wealthy counterparts that can afford special medical treatment since they come from countries that provided all of their basic necessities for them at minimal cost, allowing them to save up a nice nest-egg.

Then you have the poor/3rd world/economically unstable countries who's citizenry only know America by name and our shiny lights in Times Square and Hollywood movies. Or the South and Central Americans who choose us out of convenience because we're the closest country they've got.

But here's a newsflash for you - why are they still poor and unstable? Because we made them that way! We convinced Portugal, Spain, Greece and a number of other, otherwise prosperous countries, to "convert" to our form of Capitalism. After they did, their economies went down the toilet the same as ours. We just went extended our credit line to pay off the collapse, an option they didn't have, so now they struggle after we've left them in the dust and basically said "sucks to be you".

You want to talk about the rest of the 3rd world countries? We've been raping our land of natural resources for over 200 years. There's little we haven't destroyed with our touch and most of our forests are fractions of what they once were. We then go to countries that were settled after ours and/or had a "bad childhood" with their founding European "parents" and tell them they can't touch their natural resources because we need them for A) the environment (see the Amazon Rain-forest for example) or B) our Capitalistic expansion (See Middle East and Africa). And, as is evidenced by the Middle East, we will go through any military channels we can to ensure we have access to what our multi-billion dollar corporations say they want.

So spare me the "they envy us" rhetoric. They would either be shooting themselves in the proverbial foot by taking a step back in progress, or we brainwashed them to think they "want what we have".
 
What is "America" anyways? What are you preserving? It seems like you're scared of change. Your constitution is from the 18th century. The world keeps moving.
 
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