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“They Have To Die”: Israeli Politician Calls For Killing of Palestinian Mothers

By Jonathan Turley
July 17, 2014 "ICH" - The situation in Israel and Palestine continues to grow worse on both sides. First you had the savage murder of three Israeli teens. Then you had the retaliation burning of a Palestinian teenager. Now protests are erupting all over Israel and the world on both sides. Some of the coverage is focusing on statements made by Israeli lawmaker Ayelet Shaked on Facebook that day before three Israeli men went out and picked up Muhammad Abu Khdeir, 16, at random and burned him alive. Shaked’s post calls Palestinians “little snakes” and declares that “the entire Palestinian people is the enemy.” Now comments by Israeli Knesset member Ayelet Shaked has caused an international outcry including contributing to a continuing rift with Turkey. Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has denounced the remarks and denounced Israel in an analogy to the Nazi regime. The situation is clearly getting worse by the day in the region.
Ayelet Shaked is a member of the ultra-nationalist Jewish Home party, which is part of the ruling coalition. She is quoted as calling for the slaughter of Palestinian mothers who give birth to “little snakes.” Shaked posted a screed on Facebook that various critics are denouncing as a call for genocide. Shaked reportedly stated: “They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists . . . are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists.”
The Facebook posting stated:
“Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.”
Her comments have become the focus of the rising protests over Israel’s response to the killing of the teenagers and later rockets attacks. Turkey’s Prime Minister responded with to the comments and later Israeli retaliatory strikes with a charge that Israel is now engaging state terrorism. He drew an analogy that itself is likely to enrage many Israelis: “An Israeli woman said Palestinian mothers should be killed, too. And she’s a member of the Israeli parliament. What is the difference between this mentality and Hitler’s?”
Shaked holds degree in electrical engineering and computer sciences and she worked in marketing for Texas Instruments. She has past ties to Benjamin Netanyahu. From 2006-2008, she was the office director for the office of Netanyahu. She then established “My Israel” with Naftali Bennet, but in January 2012 she was elected to serve as the coordinator of Likud. She later became a Knesset member for the Jewish Home Party, a successor party to the National Religious Party. The party is committed to a nation governed by Jewish law under the belief that Jews are divinely ordained to rule over the Land of Israel. The party has been active in supporting the expansion of Jewish settlements in Palestinian terrorizes and largely represents Orthodox Jews according to news report.
Here is what has been posted as a full translation of Shaked’s statement:
The Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we must respond with war. Not an operation, not a slow-moving one, not low-intensity, not controlled escalation, no destruction of terror infrastructure, no targeted killings. Enough with the oblique references. This is a war. Words have meanings. This is a war. It is not a war against terror, and not a war against extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. These too are forms of avoiding reality. This is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. Why? Ask them, they started.
I don’t know why it’s so hard for us to define reality with the simple words that language puts at our disposal. Why do we have to make up a new name for the war every other week, just to avoid calling it by its name. What’s so horrifying about understanding that the entire Palestinian people is the enemy? Every war is between two peoples, and in every war the people who started the war, that whole people, is the enemy. A declaration of war is not a war crime. Responding with war certainly is not. Nor is the use of the word “war”, nor a clear definition who the enemy is. Au contraire: the morality of war (yes, there is such a thing) is founded on the assumption that there are wars in this world, and that war is not the normal state of things, and that in wars the enemy is usually an entire people, including its elderly and its women, its cities and its villages, its property and its infrastructure.
And the morality of war knows that it is not possible to refrain from hurting enemy civilians. It does not condemn the British air force, which bombed and totally destroyed the German city of Dresden, or the US planes that destroyed the cities of Poland and wrecked half of Budapest, places whose wretched residents had never done a thing to America, but which had to be destroyed in order to win the war against evil. The morals of war do not require that Russia be brought to trial, though it bombs and destroys towns and neighborhoods in Chechnya. It does not denounce the UN Peacekeeping Forces for killing hundreds of civilians in Angola, nor the NATO forces who bombed Milosevic’s Belgrade, a city with a million civilians, elderly, babies, women, and children. The morals of war accept as correct in principle, not only politically, what America has done in Afghanistan, including the massive bombing of populated places, including the creation of a refugee stream of hundreds of thousands of people who escaped the horrors of war, for thousands of whom there is no home to return to.
And in our war this is sevenfold more correct, because the enemy soldiers hide out among the population, and it is only through its support that they can fight. Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. Actors in the war are those who incite in mosques, who write the murderous curricula for schools, who give shelter, who provide vehicles, and all those who honor and give them their moral support. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.
Professor Jonathan Turley is a nationally recognized legal scholar who has written extensively in areas ranging from constitutional law to legal theory to tort law. http://jonathanturley.org
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So sad the way people look through a needle and see a camel. Some people see only what they want to see. Muslim Brotherhood, who killed 21 soldiers at a checkpoint with RPGs today in Sinai, helped to create and arm HAMAS. Israel had nothing to do with it.

I get it though. Say anything you can think of to discredit the truth. Don't allow truth to be the last post. You should be playing the last poster wins.
 
I tried to write an essay about this conflict a long while ago... the only thing that I concluded is that it had gone to the level of stupidity, blowing school buses of children up and all of the nonchalant rockets by both sides... History has documented who shot first, and also which side sheltered hundreds of, now, Israelites at their own live's safety from their bloodthirsty brethren. Groupthink is power, until the next groupthink replaces it. If there is anything that should demonstrate the absurdity of steadfastly sticking to labels, Israel/Palestine is it. If what I've written strikes you, then communication has succeeded.
 
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I am not happy about the people being killed, no matter what side of the fence.

I don't see Israel's justified action at this point. I am not in a mood to debate it.

I think it's sad how people support and justify killing at all.

I'd hope to see supposed Christians align with this view, but they cheer for "Israel".

They don't realize Israel is not represented by the "state of Israel"... this is a clear distinction that must be made.

Have you personally done any research to this end?

People, search zionism vs judaism.

Don't be lazy and rely on the opinions you've grown up believing to be true.

I was once deceived as much, thinking Israel was the victim here.

It's sad that people are dying, it's madness that people are cheering on war from the sidelines.

Everyone, check yourself to make sure you are not unwittingly supporting genocide.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/12920-letter-from-gaza-by-a-norwegian-doctor
 
[MENTION=3224]Kanamori[/MENTION], if you kept what you wrote years ago, I'm all ears. I'll take it by PM if you wish.
 
So sad the way people look through a needle and see a camel. Some people see only what they want to see. Muslim Brotherhood, who killed 21 soldiers at a checkpoint with RPGs today in Sinai, helped to create and arm HAMAS. Israel had nothing to do with it.

I get it though. Say anything you can think of to discredit the truth. Don't allow truth to be the last post. You should be playing the last poster wins.

There are two areas you should research

1. The role Israel played in the creation of Hamas (see global research article below)

2. The fact that the ashkenazi jews who moved to palestine and created israel are descended from Khazars who did not originate from palestine. The ashkenazi israelis have no historic claim to that land. Their ancestors converted to judaism about a millenium ago in the kingdom of khazaria. If you want to learn more about this then read Israeli historian and professor of History at Tel Aviv University Schlomo Sands book ''The Invention of The Jewish People''

His research is supported by the genetic research of Johns Hopkins University geneticist Dr. Eran Elhaik

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

[h=2]Hamas is a Creation of Mossad[/h] [h=3]by Hassane Zerouky[/h]
Global Outlook, No 2, Summer 2002
www.globalresearch.ca 23 March 2004
The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html


Thanks to the Mossad, Israel's "Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks", the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, Arafat's Fatah Movement for National Liberation as well as the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression and intimidation
Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)".

Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the Islamist movement in Palestine, returning from Cairo in the seventies, established an Islamic charity association. Prime Minister Golda Meir, saw this as a an opportunity to counterbalance the rise of Arafat’s Fatah movement. .According to the Israeli weekly Koteret Rashit (October 1987), "The Islamic associations as well as the university had been supported and encouraged by the Israeli military authority" in charge of the (civilian) administration of the West Bank and Gaza. "They [the Islamic associations and the university] were authorized to receive money payments from abroad."
The Islamists set up orphanages and health clinics, as well as a network of schools, workshops which created employment for women as well as system of financial aid to the poor. And in 1978, they created an "Islamic University" in Gaza. "The military authority was convinced that these activities would weaken both the PLO and the leftist organizations in Gaza." At the end of 1992, there were six hundred mosques in Gaza. Thanks to Israel’s intelligence agency Mossad (Israel’s Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks) , the Islamists were allowed to reinforce their presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, the members of Fatah (Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine) and the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression.
In 1984, Ahmed Yassin was arrested and condemned to twelve years in prison, after the discovery of a hidden arms cache. But one year later, he was set free and resumed his activities. And when the Intifada (‘uprising’) began, in October 1987, which took the Islamists by surprise, Sheik Yassin responded by creating the Hamas (The Islamic Resistance Movement): "God is our beginning, the prophet our model, the Koran our constitution", proclaims article 7 of the charter of the organization.
Ahmed Yassin was in prison when, the Oslo accords (Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government) were signed in September 1993. The Hamas had rejected Oslo outright. But at that time, 70% of Palestinians had condemned the attacks on Israeli civilians. Yassin did everything in his power to undermine the Oslo accords. Even prior to Prime Minister Rabin’s death, he had the support of the Israeli government. The latter was very reluctant to implement the peace agreement.
The Hamas then launched a carefully timed campaign of attacks against civilians, one day before the meeting between Palestinian and Israeli negotiators, regarding the formal recognition of Israel by the National Palestinian Council. These events were largely instrumental in the formation of a Right wing Israeli government following the May 1996 elections.
Quite unexpectedly, Prime Minister Netanyahu ordered Sheik Ahmed Yassin to be released from prison ("on humanitarian grounds") where he was serving a life sentence. Meanwhile, Netanyahu, together with President Bill Clinton, was putting pressure on Arafat to control the Hamas. In fact, Netanyahu knew that he could rely, once more, on the Islamists to sabotage the Oslo accords. Worse still: after having expelled Yassin to Jordan, Prime Minister Netanyahu allowed him to return to Gaza, where he was welcomed triumphantly as a hero in October 1997.
Arafat was helpless in the face of these events. Moreover, because he had supported Saddam Hussein during the1991 Gulf war, (while the Hamas had cautiously abstained from taking sides), the Gulf states decided to cut off their financing of the Palestinian Authority. Meanwhile, between February and April 1998, Sheik Ahmad Yassin was able to raise several hundred million dollars, from those same countries. The the budget of The Hamas was said to be greater than that of the Palestinian Authority. These new sources of funding enabled the Islamists to effectively pursue their various charitable activities. It is estimated that one Palestinian out of three is the recipient of financial aid from the Hamas. And in this regard, Israel has done nothing to curb the inflow of money into the occupied territories.
The Hamas had built its strength through its various acts of sabotage of the peace process, in a way which was compatible with the interests of the Israeli government. In turn, the latter sought in a number of ways, to prevent the application of the Oslo accords. In other words, Hamas was fulfilling the functions for which it was originally created: to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State. And in this regard, Hamas and Ariel Sharon, see eye to eye; they are exactly on the same wave length.
 
US senate owned by the Rothschilds who control the federal reserve and Israel

http://www.imemc.org/article/68523

[h=1]US Senate Unanimously Passes Resolution Supporting Israeli Assault on Gaza[/h]
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by Chris Carlson - 1 of International Middle East Media Center Editorial Group
Following a similar resolution passed last week by the U.S. House, the U.S. Senate voted Thursday night to support Israel’s ongoing invasion of the Gaza Strip.​
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No dissenting vote was cast, and no mention was made of the hundreds of Palestinian civilians, most of whom are women and children, that have been killed by Israel in the past ten days.

Senate Resolution 498 was authored by Bob Menendez (D-NJ) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC), with additional support by Ben Cardin (D-MD) and son of former Republican party politician Ron Paul, Rand Paul (R-KY).

Paul is urging the Senate to pass his own bill, S. 2265, which would end all U.S. foreign aid to the Palestinian Authority until Hamas is barred from the new Palestinian unity government, among other stipulations.

The resolution was passed on the very same night Israel launched its current ground offensive into the Gaza Strip.

The United States and Israel, this past week, signed an agreement under which $429 million of American taxpayers’ money "will be transferred immediately to Israel" to further fund the Iron Dome missile system, which has recently come under scrutiny by prize winning Israeli defense and aerospace engineering expert Dr. Moti Shefer.
 
Problem, reaction, solution explained:

[video=youtube;iEz5fQ_Pm-g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEz5fQ_Pm-g[/video]
 
we got extremist nationalists in every government. And besides, what do we really really know ? we don't live there. but since there is a lot of pro Palestine support here, I'll link some Israeli sided stuff too. just food for thought. Im not picking sides. I dont know anything and I sure as hell aint gonna trust anything I see on the news or internet to be the absolute truth.

https://www.facebook.com/ToBeOrNotToBeStupid
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=492766094203354&set=vb.148112308668736&type=2&theater
https://www.facebook.com/ToBeOrNotT...2308668736/358619054284726/?type=1&permPage=1 TBH browse these pictures...


As you may come to understand, There is too much fog to see the truth as an outsider and the media is unreliable and often bias. Now I understand everyone wants the horrors in the world to end, and feels like its their duty to save the world. but what if it turns out you supported the wrong side and actually are helping the bullies who are kicking the dog who needs help.

Just saying... food for thought.
 
we got extremist nationalists in every government. And besides, what do we really really know ? we don't live there. but since there is a lot of pro Palestine support here, I'll link some Israeli sided stuff too. just food for thought. Im not picking sides. I dont know anything and I sure as hell aint gonna trust anything I see on the news or internet to be the absolute truth.

https://www.facebook.com/ToBeOrNotToBeStupid
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=492766094203354&set=vb.148112308668736&type=2&theater
https://www.facebook.com/ToBeOrNotT...2308668736/358619054284726/?type=1&permPage=1 TBH browse these pictures...


As you may come to understand, There is too much fog to see the truth as an outsider and the media is unreliable and often bias. Now I understand everyone wants the horrors in the world to end, and feels like its their duty to save the world. but what if it turns out you supported the wrong side and actually are helping the bullies who are kicking the dog who needs help.

Just saying... food for thought.

have you heard of the balfour declaration?
 
[MENTION=11651]ArtFirst[/MENTION] "...but what if it turns out you supported the wrong side and actually are helping the bullies who are kicking the dog who needs help."

Well stated. This is why I am speaking up here.

Don't take my word for it, don't be fooled by propaganda sites that de-personalize and de-humanize this situation.

I encourage you to take some time and listen to Miko Peled's message.

This man speaks from experience, he's lived it. He grew up in Israel, served in the Israeli army, and his father was a famous general.

He is well articulated, genuine, and sincere. Listen to him and fact check him.

We very likely will experience cognitive dissonance when encountering new information.
It's ok, this is a learning process. Let the knee-jerk reaction pass.
We must not abandon our critical thinking ability at this time.

[video=youtube;TOaxAckFCuQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOaxAckFCuQ[/video]
[MENTION=680]just me[/MENTION] Please watch.
 
I have been studying this for decades, so who wants to tell me how wrong I am. I have always been known for my fairness and understanding. Maybe someone new to this might read some crap somewhere and just get it. Good luck with that.

As for Christianity? See what Islamist militants are doing to them in Baghdad right now. Christians are people, too. WE get angry, though we know a better way. WE fight, though we would rather not. Sometimes we just can't take it any longer; sounds like the Israelis regarding the constant missile barrage on their civilian populations. Please don't try to teach me something regarding this. If the shoe fits, I'll wear it.
 
I have been studying this for decades, so who wants to tell me how wrong I am. I have always been known for my fairness and understanding. Maybe someone new to this might read some crap somewhere and just get it. Good luck with that.

As for Christianity? See what Islamist militants are doing to them in Baghdad right now. Christians are people, too. WE get angry, though we know a better way. WE fight, though we would rather not. Sometimes we just can't take it any longer; sounds like the Israelis regarding the constant missile barrage on their civilian populations. Please don't try to teach me something regarding this. If the shoe fits, I'll wear it.

" Sometimes we just can't take it any longer; sounds like the Israelis regarding the constant missile barrage on their civilian populations."

You definitely do get it, just me.
 
Religion and war go hand and hand.

Having said that, this never ending war in Gaza is humanity at its worst. These people think they are fighting some great battle which in reality is for a reason no more distinct than an imaginary fairy tail. Ive shut my heart off to it. They prefer suffering and death to life. Screw them all. If they want to die, see their loved ones die all around them. Let them have their cake. Screw the lot. I shall not suffer idiots.

I will say this though, dont go poking at a bear with a stick just because it has let you live close to it. A bear is a bear. It wont change.
 
[video=youtube;_ZY8m0cm1oY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZY8m0cm1oY&hd=1[/video]

I aint picking sides. Just linking food for thought.
 
[MENTION=2719]justme[/MENTION] [MENTION=4115]Lark[/MENTION] [MENTION=8603]Eventhorizon[/MENTION] [MENTION=6281]CrazyBeautiful[/MENTION] [MENTION=11651]ArtFirst[/MENTION] [MENTION=1848]Barnabas[/MENTION]

Perspective from an Israeli soldier.

[video=youtube;93hqlmrZKd8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93hqlmrZKd8[/video]
 
I just watched 5 Broken Cameras. Has anyone seen this film? It could change your life!

The reaction of Israeli youth to this film should be seen as well.

[video=youtube;XYdoS9j2vnA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYdoS9j2vnA[/video]
 
" Sometimes we just can't take it any longer; sounds like the Israelis regarding the constant missile barrage on their civilian populations."

You definitely do get it, just me.

No neither of you get it because neither of you are willing to look past surface impressions

Israel created Hamas so that they could avoid peace with the palestineans

The israelis are not the victims and hamas are not the victims....the palestinean peope are the victims

They are ground between the two millstones of Israel and hamas
 
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[MENTION=963]myself[/MENTION] I just sort of wonder what we're supposed to make of those videos.I mean if the assumption is that I dont know anything about societies in conflict or the nature of what's happening in Israel and Gaza I think that's some pretty rotten condescension there, although its not uncommon that the junior high school nature of most online discussion and debate involves that sort of assumption, along with the belief that others just need to "know", "learn", be exposed to the same material as the person posting it and some kind of ephiphany will take place and unanimity will reign I'm always disappointed when I encounter it. Most of my opinions on the middle east and conflicts like it are a result of having grown up in Northern Ireland and known what a fundamentally divided society is like first hand, seeing the failure of attempts at peace accords and seeing the dependency upon and fundamental importance of keeping divisions alive and well and fostering grievances has to a lot of people. They're good people, many of them are my friends, although I know there's a gulf in opinion on certain fundamental cultural and sectarian issues and I know that to the really violent elements out there it counts very, very little whether you're a liberal, moderate, concilitory, whatever you are either one of "us" or one of "them" when it counts. I have seen terrible consequences for others and experienced it first hand myself when I've been naive enough to assume that anything other than this is the case or that when the chips are down most people fall on one side or the other of the fundamental divide, they mightnt like it, they may be bothered by it, a lot of the time they simply arent but if they are its not enough for them to challenge it or if they do its short lived before they decide to pitch in one way or the other. Another interesting thing I learned too is that while there are people who will express militancy in identity in their own ways, in a pinch they will shut the fuck up and leave the damn fool who's suffering the consequences of naivety to deal with it, they may decide its evidence of the sorts of thing they've suspected all along and it'll reinforce their own views or lead to further entrenchment but they'll generally keep quiet in the moment. I dont doubt that in any situation there's people who'd love to transcend the divides which have been bequeathed to them via history, they form a club, seriously, because they probably have more in common with their international fellows than they do with most of the people in the clusterfucks which are their conflict ridden and divided societies.
 
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