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I'm not really so confident that it's all good just because Trump lost. It kind of feels like the end of a movie where you think the big baddie was dealt with and people are celebrating. But then you stick around for the after the credits teaser lol. Maybe the teaser was the Jan. 6 storming of the capitol by extremists. There's goona be a sequel. It's really concerning how many in the January 6 insurrection and storming of the capitol were military and police. There are some very radical and extremist elements among us and they aren't gone just because Trump is out of office. He was just the big nasty pimple that rose to the surface. He showed us what's really there.
Also, Trump was a fucking monster. If the past 4-5 years didn't give any idea into his character I'm lost on what to tell you.
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I personally think it's best not to give the Trump nonsense any oxygen. Of course the internet spawns conspiracy theories and feeds the flames of the big lie..
We have dealt with domestic terrorism as long as this country has been around. Trump is just the latest flavor of it.
At the end of the day there are many more of us than there are of them.
We have dealt with domestic terrorism as long as this country has been around. Trump is just the latest flavor of it.
At the end of the day there are many more of us than there are of them.
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I actually think Trump won by a landslide and he is probably still our president.
As to a comparison of morality, amazonprime has a documentary called The Plot Against The President. I think it is well done and of benefit to watch. I would ask to judge on the basis of works. "By their works, you shall know them."
Not style, works.
The immorality as shown in the documentary is breathtaking. As one example, it is now known the DNC paid a company called Fusion GPS to fabricate what is referred to as The Steele Dossier. It alleges Trump peed on prostitutes in a Moscow hotel. Alleges Carter Page was a Russian spy. All lies.
For one other example, the Obama Administration unmasked the entire Trump team and was spying on all of them before he even took office.
Breathtaking immorality with one purpose. To stage a coup.
That is very naughty!
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I would only be up for the first allegation I made. Do you really want to get into this?
I am taking my nap soon. If you really want me to, I'll dredge up some stuff.
But, I'll give one example. I forget the number of ballots, something like a thousand. These were military mail-in ballots. A stack of them. All of them voted for Biden. The ballot numbers were in sequence.
So, they were mailed out, sent back, and ended up in sequence? And all for Biden? Really?
There are so many anomalies.
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Trump was accused of sexual assault by many women as far back as the 90s, so what exactly does fabricating a claim to say he peed on prostitutes accomplish? It seems far more effective to stick with actual sexual assault if you're going to tarnish someone's reputation.
The Republican-led Senate intelligence committee also that found that the official report on Russian election was sound, so if there was a coup, it was on both sides (unless we hypothesize that the GOP was "duped").
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Trump has been accused by a few of the victims of Epstein, in fact, including one who gives her story ( identity obscured ) telling how Trump required her 'services' at a very public party when she was just 13. Witnesses also came forward, having seen him with her. Not to mention his unsavoury compliment to her that she looked just like his daughter Ivanka in the wig Epstein had her wear.
He def doesn't need any pee pee tapes to damage his disgusting image.
He def doesn't need any pee pee tapes to damage his disgusting image.
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I know. It doesn't make sense!
Fusion GPS admitted that the DNC financed them to write the fabrication known as The Steele Dossier. That is an attempted coup which is treason and is punishable by death.
The DNC and yes, many Repubs, have always wanted Trump gone. And bad. Why would they resort to treason if they have the goods on him?
MAJOR DISCONNECT.
Something doesn't add up.
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Fusion GPS was paid by gop and dems to do a deep dive on trump. they hired a brit ex intelligence officer who relied on his russian sources for the dope on trump and russia, the russians are expert at mixing lies with truth. to say that gps admitted they were hired by the dems to make shit up about trump is unfounded and unfair, I would suggest that you know that except, based on most of your posts on the forum i really believe that you don't know that.
here's and idea, read the mueller report.
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I am 99% sure this is the same document a left-leaning FB friend of mine shared in his thread. I went to the table of contents in search of text that suggested to me this is a place I may find referral to Trump colluding. I found one section that seemed to contain such information. I read that portion and only saw that the doc discussed lack of competence by the Trump admin with respect to Russia.
It is a very long document. I just internet searched "does the Mueller report say Trump colluded with Russia?" and I have hits from sources that would scream such a truth across the land (nbc, usatoday), but no, the entirety of my search return say "US President Donald Trump's campaign did not conspire with Russia during the 2016 election, a summary of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's report says." (That one is the bbc.)
57, I am perplexed. What rational basis did you have for suggesting I read The Mueller Report given that it says Trump did not conspire with Russia during the 2016 election? What is its relevance to this discussion?
This is from the documentary The Plot Against the President at the 43m mark. Kash Patel is speaking.
The Steele Dossier (S.D.) contended that Carter Page met with two Russian oligarchs and negotiated an agreement whereby he would get 10-15% of Rosnoft, perhaps the largest gas firm in Russia, in exchange to work in behalf of Russia to get better agreements from the Americans when Trump takes office.
At this point Patel said he told Nunez that if this is true, the FISA warrent was justified, C.P. is a Russian asset, and a lot of people are going to have a lot of problems. Patel said if the S.D. was true, Page would be getting paid 12 billion dollars.
The Nunez team examined the allegation and found virtually nothing to back up its claims.
The only other thing mentioned in the documentary is the alleged Trump peeing. The alleged hotel room number doesn't even exist in the Moscow hotel it was alleged the event took place in.
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I would suggest that you know that except, based on most of your posts on the forum i really believe that you don't know that.
The pot calls the kettle black.
Anyway, please provide the specific text in The Mueller Report that specifies Trump collusion.
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to say that gps admitted they were hired by the dems to make shit up about trump is unfounded and unfair
This is a completely false statement. The S.D. is a 100% fiction.
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It is sorta sad and amusing that this is a topic that has been brought up yet again. It has been fun reading the sources and "documentation" of each sides argument. And of course the "requirement" that there be a "source" to prove what is being stated is true (even when that source has been proven to be lying). So with all of that in mind.....you are all adults so you can (if you chose) do your own research. However, both the Atlantic and CNN both very well known Trump supporters as well as the DailyMail.co.uk have posted/stated/printed that the Russia Hoax was indeed just that: a HOAX. The one element that did surprise me in my latest research was how involved a number of Republicans were in moving the hoax forward.
One could again if one chose to take a step back see by how much the Democrats and too many Republicans hated and were working very tirelessly to sabotage Trump and his efforts. Ok fine, he was abrasive, posted mean tweets and didn't suffer fools. (And I am confident that will then have a few of you posting other negative things documented by proven untrustworthy sources). Gasoline was lower, unemployment was WAY lower, inflation was under control, Peace agreements had been reached in the Middle East, Food was cheaper, lumber, steel and other commodities hadn't become un-affordable to name a few. Trump did spend WAY too much money but it is very small to what is being planned for now. Fauci has been proven to be a complete fraud (in the best light), but no, Trump is horrible and the world is now a better place.
One could again if one chose to take a step back see by how much the Democrats and too many Republicans hated and were working very tirelessly to sabotage Trump and his efforts. Ok fine, he was abrasive, posted mean tweets and didn't suffer fools. (And I am confident that will then have a few of you posting other negative things documented by proven untrustworthy sources). Gasoline was lower, unemployment was WAY lower, inflation was under control, Peace agreements had been reached in the Middle East, Food was cheaper, lumber, steel and other commodities hadn't become un-affordable to name a few. Trump did spend WAY too much money but it is very small to what is being planned for now. Fauci has been proven to be a complete fraud (in the best light), but no, Trump is horrible and the world is now a better place.
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Amen
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Beautiful!
You will know them by their fruits.
I stray away from style because what someone actually does and doesn't do is far more important.
Thanks!
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57,
You made the claim that Steele provided credible information. Can you justify your claim? Just provide text from the dossier that alleges Trump involvement in collusion that you believe is factual.
https://nypost.com/2020/07/20/fbi-k...ng-burger-but-kept-fake-scandal-alive-anyway/
‘We have not seen evidence of any individuals affiliated with the Trump team in contact with [Russian intelligence officers].”
How much wasted time on pointless investigations could have been prevented had Peter Strzok, then one of the FBI’s top counterintelligence officials who was spearheading the bureau’s Trump-Russia investigation, said this publicly one month into President Trump’s term?
But no, it was a private note by Strzok, for consumption within the FBI, to debunk a Feb. 14, 2017, New York Times article. The news story, a compilation by five of the Times’ top reporters, working four unnamed sources (the usual “current and former American officials”), claimed that members of the Trump campaign had “repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials” before the 2016 election.
This was false. Just as important, the FBI knew it was false.
But we, the American people, only know that now, in 2020, because Strzok’s notes were finally made public on Friday.
The Times article centrally identified former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort as a key adviser in communication with Kremlin spies. Strzok, however, countered that the bureau was “unaware of any calls with any Russian government official in which Manafort was a party.”
You made the claim that Steele provided credible information. Can you justify your claim? Just provide text from the dossier that alleges Trump involvement in collusion that you believe is factual.
https://nypost.com/2020/07/20/fbi-k...ng-burger-but-kept-fake-scandal-alive-anyway/
‘We have not seen evidence of any individuals affiliated with the Trump team in contact with [Russian intelligence officers].”
How much wasted time on pointless investigations could have been prevented had Peter Strzok, then one of the FBI’s top counterintelligence officials who was spearheading the bureau’s Trump-Russia investigation, said this publicly one month into President Trump’s term?
But no, it was a private note by Strzok, for consumption within the FBI, to debunk a Feb. 14, 2017, New York Times article. The news story, a compilation by five of the Times’ top reporters, working four unnamed sources (the usual “current and former American officials”), claimed that members of the Trump campaign had “repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials” before the 2016 election.
This was false. Just as important, the FBI knew it was false.
But we, the American people, only know that now, in 2020, because Strzok’s notes were finally made public on Friday.
The Times article centrally identified former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort as a key adviser in communication with Kremlin spies. Strzok, however, countered that the bureau was “unaware of any calls with any Russian government official in which Manafort was a party.”
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what ever, here listen to this podcast if reading former directer Mueller's report is to hard for you to read
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-report/id1472798169
Ah yes, losing the argument so fall back on insulting the oppositions intelligence! It has taken longer than it probably should have but it finally has happened. The right has finally figured out the lefts tactics.....they are now just tiresome but hey, it was worth a try....