Why America can't have nice things...

One thing I will abide though is that Sweden is exceptionally bad haha!!

Oh the land of unholy feminazis. I would be too scared to let the girl walk in front of me through the door for getting punched in the face. Not my country of choice.

But one thing is true - Scandinavians do have the best social security in the world.
 
Mind you, I just wanted to offer a Canadian perspective on healthcare. At least from a citizen's point of view.

Frankly, Canadian Healthcare isn't running all that smoothly. At least not the way its being handled here in Ontario. Every couple of years, they keep cutting back on what is covered under OHIP and what isn't. For example, not too long ago, eye exams were free. Now, if you're between 19 and 65, you have to fork over over the $60 - $70 for an eye exam. You're only covered for one eye exam once a year if you have glaucoma or other another medical condition requiring regular check ups. And that list excludes a lot more of those conditions than it includes.

Eyeglass and prescriptions aren't even partially covered anymore either. And for some one who's prescription keeps changing every year, that's roughly about $200 with no relief coverage. Nevermind if you want to get some contact lenses.

And don't get me started on dentists. Dental surgery is only covered if its in hospital. The most common surgeries, such as wisdom teeth extraction, are all done in the dentist's office and can run anywhere from $300 to $450 per tooth. Your regular check ups at the dentist aren't covered either. That's roughly around $60 - $80 too if you aren't covered by an insurance plan.

The only thing that you basically don't have to pay for is your family physician, and Ontario probably has the worst reptuation concerning their doctors. Ever since the gov't put a cap on their salary, most of them rush to fulfill their quota and go on two and three week sabaticals. And when you do see them, they're often swamped with patients and you get five minutes to explain your problem before they rush away. It's getting increasingly difficult to find a GP that really takes the time to examine you.
Not all specialists are covered by OHIP. Psychiatry, for example, is only covered 30%. You get to foot the rest of the $150 per session bill. The most common prescriptions aren't even covered either--and you're hit with a fine dispensing fee too.

As for hospitals... well, the wait times are a nightmare. Unless you're in labor or about to die, you might as well get comfortable... you're going to be in that waiting room for several hours. My grandmother had fallen down the stairs the other year, and was suffering from a severe head wound. Wait time? 2 and a half hours.

Meanwhile, despite the decreases in quality and health care coverage in general, taxes are sure as hell not dropping. They're hiking higher. And health insurance rates aren't all that pretty either. Despite having a wonderful reputation for health care, the average Canadian household is paying an average of $30-40 a month per person for additional insurance for health care coverage. And if you've got an existing medical condition, you're just plain screwed.

It's not exactly a utopia up here either. I don't know how well that compares to other countries, but our system isn't ideal, that's for sure.

wow. our psychiatrists are free under bulk billing.
 
Can I stay with you? :m054:
Haha I would love to have an American here with me. :m033:

Nothing works properly in the United States in reality or on paper.
Haha I disagree. In USA things happen, actions are taken. People Try, and if they fail, they TRY again!!!! In Sweden - Nothing happens, NOTHING!

All I know is that Obama is a Nazi-Socialist-Commie-Anti-American.

I presume that is your opinion haha because the fact is that Obama is Far from being a Nazi, Socialist and Commie!!! AS for the Anti-American - I don't know.

The level of ignorance and insensitivity is very sad. I don't know how to improve it except by improving schools, but I don't know how to realistically get the schools improved.

There is a small percentage of ignorance but it is not exceptional! Insensitivity?!? :O Where at haha? (SENSITIVITY - is one of the reasons I love USA) If so, I don't think it comes down to the schools but rather on the family basis.


Oh the land of unholy feminazis. I would be too scared to let the girl walk in front of me through the door for getting punched in the face. Not my country of choice.

But one thing is true - Scandinavians do have the best social security in the world.

YOU TOTALLY GOT IT! :D:D:D:D Haha we got the best social security because it enables people to live 'the fancy life' when on it. While those who are not, pay 59 % tax to support IT! ITS INSANE!! :m206:
 
Haha I disagree. In USA things happen, actions are taken. People Try, and if they fail, they TRY again!!!! In Sweden - Nothing happens, NOTHING!

What things happen? Patriot Act? No Child Left Behind?

I presume that is your opinion haha because the fact is that Obama is Far from being a Nazi, Socialist and Commie!!! AS for the Anti-American - I don't know.

I was being sarcastic. I don't really think any of those things. I would be happy if he was a socialist though.


There is a small percentage of ignorance but it is not exceptional! Insensitivity?!? :O Where at haha? (SENSITIVITY - is one of the reasons I love USA) If so, I don't think it comes down to the schools but rather on the family basis.

The family is not an independent entity; instead, it is a produced by and interacts with the macro structure of society. The type of insensitivity I am referring to is the kind that allows for the U.S. to have the highest percentage of it's population out of any country in the world to be imprisoned. I see insensitivity in the media. Murder rates and such don't help either.



YOU TOTALLY GOT IT! :D:D:D:D Haha we got the best social security because it enables people to live 'the fancy life' when on it. While those who are not, pay 59 % tax to support IT! ITS INSANE!! :m206:

I'm afraid the U.S. might be going the same way. We have a huge number of aging people, and they are going to use all the political clout they have to make young people pay.
 
^^^
We have such a high prison population because we demonize drug users and abusers. Rather than getting them help, we lock them up. It's much easier to get drugs in prison or jail than it is on the streets, trust me. We need to educate and decriminalize.
 
It still worries me that I still can't find a summary of rational arguments for and against Healthcare reform. Am I missing something here?
 
The racist and explicitly hateful stuff sounded like fairly isolated incidents, to me, rather than representative of the entire crowd at that meeting, let alone America in general.

I don't think the US holds a monopoly on ignorance and intolerance.

Well...we do have an empire which means american stupidity have worse consequences.

basically we are more important idiots

Well america doesn't have a monopoly on stupidity but there sure a thriving business.
 
The family is not an independent entity; instead, it is a produced by and interacts with the macro structure of society. The type of insensitivity I am referring to is the kind that allows for the U.S. to have the highest percentage of it's population out of any country in the world to be imprisoned. I see insensitivity in the media. Murder rates and such don't help either.

The demons of the macro society in USA is precisely that, the media and the bureaucratic hazard are extremely insensitive. Maybe not, but the familly who interacts with other families becomes an entity! From a sociological point of view I think that the American society is almost near flawless yet people linger over the vicious issues more than anything.


I'm afraid the U.S. might be going the same way. We have a huge number of aging people, and they are going to use all the political clout they have to make young people pay.

This would be an absolute disaster in my opinion, if it went to that extent of Sweden. It would be okay to implement some of it BUT minimally, i.e. to help homeless people get back on their feet, provide psychiatric support for those who need it etc.

God Bless the USA
 
Because capitalism, fearmongering, and a broken education system have driven the nation out of the first world and firmly into the Second World. The only thing that makes them rich or powerful is the top 1% who control the vast majority of the wealth.
 
Because capitalism, fearmongering, and a broken education system have driven the nation out of the first world and firmly into the Second World. The only thing that makes them rich or powerful is the top 1% who control the vast majority of the wealth.


Those are the things that make it unflawed, which I like to call the demons of the macro society in USA!!

Things are not looking good... I was told that within 25 years, China will be the ruling country of the world and that Chinese will be a compulsory subject in school as the new lingua franca.
 
The demons of the macro society in USA is precisely that, the media and the bureaucratic hazard are extremely insensitive. Maybe not, but the familly who interacts with other families becomes an entity! From a sociological point of view I think that the American society is almost near flawless yet people linger over the vicious issues more than anything.




This would be an absolute disaster in my opinion, if it went to that extent of Sweden. It would be okay to implement some of it BUT minimally, i.e. to help homeless people get back on their feet, provide psychiatric support for those who need it etc.

God Bless the USA
I think that was supposed to be a quote from someone else...
 
It still worries me that I still can't find a summary of rational arguments for and against Healthcare reform. Am I missing something here?

You may not find it. The thing about the Healthcare reform is that both sides can have very good arguments, if they took the time to really put them together (and were given enough time to make them known). But most of what is out there right now is vast over-exaggerations and generalizations. It's kind of sad, really.



Because capitalism, fearmongering, and a broken education system have driven the nation out of the first world and firmly into the Second World. The only thing that makes them rich or powerful is the top 1% who control the vast majority of the wealth.

That's a bit harsh. It definitely isn't that bad -- the majority of Americans are actually in the middle class. In any case, I wouldn't say we're in the Second World in any sense.
 
everything you lack, is stuff that we have in australia, nz, europe...

job security, health care, oversight. a whole bunch of stuff.
 
everything you lack, is stuff that we have in australia, nz, europe...

job security, health care, oversight. a whole bunch of stuff.

If there's one thing I've learned over the years, it's don't assume you know what another country lacks until you've lived a while in both.

We don't necessarily lack that. It's an insecure time for our country because of the economy and foreign conflict, but I don't think that the problem is near as severe as it is pictured to be -- it's vastly exaggerated to create political edge.

Either way, I've been in Europe and America, and I believe that there are pluses and minuses to both.
 
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