Youth Going Through Gender Transition Are More At Risk Of Psychiatric Issues

[Akar]

What was I not being logical about?

How do my feelings invalidate those logical structures I purported to use.

It seems to me if you cared about logic and reality and not about your own ego you'd listen to what i have to say.

Traping people is not something i find interesteing but I only state what i believe is true.

I never ask people yes / no questions because that's requireing me to finght battles that make me look stupid.

If you think I am BSing you do not know me and thus far have now real understanding of what I am saying.

What is wrong with what i am saying?

You have no clue

Just garbage logic.

That is why I said what I said because if what I am saying is not true you expect me to admit when I am wrong but you don't care about that. Its just a game to you and you do not treat people as individuals but as games.

Fruit, let’s be clear: this isn’t a 'game.' It’s an autopsy of a failed argument.

You claim to care about logic and reality, yet you just admitted to avoiding direct questions because you fear they make you 'look stupid.' That is the literal definition of Intellectual Dishonesty. A person who seeks the Truth doesn't care about looking stupid; they only care about being correct. You, instead, prioritize your image over the facts.

You call my logic 'garbage,' yet it’s the only thing that forced you to face a clinical reality (the Doctor/DSM-V) that you tried to bypass with pseudoscientific rants about malnutrition and 'feelings.'

You spent pages using 'science' as a weapon against Quick, but the moment that same science validated a frame you dislike, you retreated into: -|_Attacking the field of Psychiatry.-|-Claiming to be a victim of a 'trap.'-|- Appealing to your own subjective distress.
If being presented with objective facts and held accountable for your own words feels like being 'treated as a game,' the issue isn't my method—it’s your fragility when faced with the Truth.

I’m here for the Truth. You are here to be right. That’s why you lost this conversation.

remember you wanted this. If you want even more I can quote all your post and analyze deeply how you are being dishonest.

Rest easy.

-Giammarco

 

[aeon]

That is different than saying a male can have a female brain. After all, how on earth would that ever happen? What would be the cause for a male to have a female brain?

Obviously, brains do not have a sex, although the nature of brains vary within, and across, the sexes.

How might that happen? Referencing a post I made earlier about what determines sex, one of the tripartite determinants are hormones. This is almost certainly the mechanism of action, inasmuch research on maternal hormonal levels has demonstrated and proven a wide range of effects, including brain development, genital development, sexual orientation, and so on.

Here’s some anecdata for you. I have had fMRI scans done, primarily to study my response to methamphetamine hydrochloride, but also to study my response to various novel stimuli, some sexual in nature, while under the influence of methamphetamine hydrochloride, versus my baseline before administration of medication. The basis of inquiry was the combination of my ADHD and my cognitive style.

On a sex-determinant spectrum, my brain is ambiguous, inasmuch as my brain regions demonstrate activity which are typically mutually exclusive based on sex. From my scans alone, a clinician would not be able to definitively state my sex.

Now just joking around, psychometric testing online often returns results saying I have a female brain—some of those can be found on this forum.

I’m male. I know for certain I have XY pairing—clinically tested. I have normative male physical development. Beyond those things, nothing is guaranteed to be one way or the other.

My 2¢,
Ian

 

[QuickTwist]

It is not political at all. Its necessary medical care for those with gender dysphoria. Bigots are the ones who make it political and go against what medical organizations have to say about it and turn it into a political issue.

If they would leave us alone, this would just be a regular health issue like any other health issue, but they are intent on denying us care in order to kill as many of us as they can manage.

It's a mental problem, which means it needs to be addressed mentally, not physically. There is plenty of scientific evidence that transitioning (especially surgery) is problematic on many fronts. In fact, many girls who get top surgery when they are young end up growing out of their gender dysphoria by the time they hit 18. Then, there is permanent damage to the girl, and she regrets the decision to have her breasts removed. There are many stories like this. Not to mention the actual article that I posted in the OP. You simply deny the article based on some misuse of the genetic fallacy.

 

[Fruiteloop]

Fruit, let’s be clear: this isn’t a 'game.' It’s an autopsy of a failed argument.

what is the argument that failed?

we are discussing many arguments

You claim to care about logic and reality, yet you just admitted to avoiding direct questions because you fear they make you 'look stupid.' That is the literal definition of Intellectual Dishonesty. A person who seeks the Truth doesn't care about looking stupid; they only care about being correct. You, instead, prioritize your image over the facts.

No, you were trying to trap me and would not explain why.

I gave a good response to what i believe the person in the video was saying and you ignored it defaulting to a yes/no trap question.

You call my logic 'garbage,' yet it’s the only thing that forced you to face a clinical reality (the Doctor/DSM-V) that you tried to bypass with pseudoscientific rants about malnutrition and 'feelings.'

No, you just do not understand what i was saying and making it personal.

If you do not care about truth then yes you will avoid my questions and I have to assume its because you care little about my true opinions.

You spent pages using 'science' as a weapon against Quick, but the moment that same science validated a frame you dislike, you retreated into: -|_Attacking the field of Psychiatry.-|-Claiming to be a victim of a 'trap.'-|- Appealing to your own subjective distress.
If being presented with objective facts and held accountable for your own words feels like being 'treated as a game,' the issue isn't my method—it’s your fragility when faced with the Truth.

No, I said nothing about science being perfect. I said it has problems.

I never appealed to my subjective distress you are trying to trap me because you don't care about listening to others.

I’m here for the Truth. You are here to be right. That’s why you lost this conversation.

remember you wanted this. If you want even more I can quote all your post and analyze deeply how you are being dishonest.

Rest easy.

-Giammarco

Just stop attacking my charracter ands we will be fine.

You are making it personal so you are the real problem in the discussion.

 

[Akar]

what is the argument that failed?

we are discussing many arguments



No, you were trying to trap me and would not explain why.

I gave a good response to what i believe the person in the video was saying and you ignored it defaulting to a yes/no trap question.



No, you just do not understand what i was saying and making it personal.

If you do not care about truth then yes you will avoid my questions and I have to assume its because you care little about my true opinions.



No, I said nothing about science being perfect. I said it has problems.

I never appealed to my subjective distress you are trying to trap me because you don't care about listening to others.



Just stop attacking my charracter ands we will be fine.

You are making it personal so you are the real problem in the discussion.

You used 'science' to patronize Quick, but when I brought a real Doctor and the DSM-V to the table, you called it 'garbage logic' and hid behind your 'feelings.'

You claim I am the problem because I make it 'personal.' No, Fruit. It became personal the moment you tried to gaslight this community with pseudoscientific rants while being too afraid to stand by your own words.

I’m not attacking your character. I’m shining a light on its absence.

The autopsy is over. There is nothing left to discuss with someone who is more afraid of a 'Yes or No' than they are of being wrong.

Enjoy the silence. I’m done with you

Your own words on this thread sound as statement of veteran user, maybe from an other server?

-Giammarco

 

[Fruiteloop]

Not sure what I am supposed to be agreeing or disagreeing with in that video?

She lists "symptoms" then says how they are treated (surgery, affirmation/acceptance of the person)

So maybe you could say the distress is the illness but she does not state any actual causes.

Not stating actual causes is my whole problem with psychiatry.

But the distress is real.

I have seen that most mental illnesses are actually because of malnutrition and or dieses in the body/brain we label as mental illness.

Only recently have doctors for example been able to find actual links between biological functions in Alzheimer's and working treatments.

Many treatments for Alzheimer's cost little money and not billions on a single medication so they are not funded as much.

@Akar

What is wrong with what I said here?

Why do not not care about others opinions?

You used 'science' to patronize Quick, but when I brought a real Doctor and the DSM-V to the table, you called it 'garbage logic' and hid behind your 'feelings.'

Your logic that I am a bad person is shit,

This is not about the DSM-V that was another discussion

You claim I am the problem because I make it 'personal.' No, Fruit. It became personal the moment you tried to gaslight this community with pseudoscientific rants while being too afraid to stand by your own words.

Where?

yes / no shit is a trap

I’m not attacking your character. I’m shining a light on its absence.

just stop and think

what are you trying to say about me?

The autopsy is over. There is nothing left to discuss with someone who is more afraid of a 'Yes or No' than they are of being wrong.

Enjoy the silence. I’m done with you

Your own words on this thread sound as statement of veteran user, maybe from an other blog ?

-Giammarco

again why are you against looking at what I said about the video?

 

[Akar]

@Akar

What is wrong with what I said here?

Why do not not care about others opinions?



Your logic that I am a bad person is shit,

This is not about the DSM-V that was another discussion



Where?

yes / no shit is a trap



just stop and think

what are you trying to say about me?



again why are you against looking at what I said about the video?

look at the mirror and tell me what you see.
cause want you don't tell speaks louder than your words.
You didn't answer a single question.

Like why did you target Quick?
why on a server you're an INTJ (maybe) and why here you're a INFP ? CURIOSITY


-Giammarco

-Giammarco

 

[Fruiteloop]

look at the mirror and tell me what you see.
cause want you don't tell speaks louder than your words.
You didn't answer a single question.

Like why did you target Quick?

-Giammarco

Ask me a genuine question and I will answer it but please do not assume my motives.

 

[Misty]

It's a mental problem, which means it needs to be addressed mentally, not physically. There is plenty of scientific evidence that transitioning (especially surgery) is problematic on many fronts. In fact, many girls who get top surgery when they are young end up growing out of their gender dysphoria by the time they hit 18. Then, there is permanent damage to the girl, and she regrets the decision to have her breasts removed. There are many stories like this. Not to mention the actual article that I posted in the OP. You simply deny the article based on some misuse of the genetic fallacy.

100 percent, well said.

Not only that, but calling self elected self mutilation "necessary medical treatment" is tantamount to lunacy. Refusing to perform medieval mutilation on patients in order to reinforce their dysmorphic disorder sounds pretty sane, in the end.

There are multitudes of stories of men who transitioned medically and ended up in excruciating permanent pain - with infections and an 'opening' that the body sees as a huge wound that it seals shut as a part of the natural healing process God endowed us to have.

Refusing such procedures, is in fact reducing their risk of death, not an attempt to "kill off" anyone.

The increase in depression for such patients would be salt in the wound, indeed. Then to emerge from the surgery, still unable to carry a child, have a period, or experience the emotional breadth of what it means to be a girl, then a woman. And of course, the same goes for a woman attempting to transition to a man, no?

This is what the article in the OP exposes. It does not statistically end up well for the majority - post op.

 

[Akar]

Ask me a genuine question and I will answer it but please do not assume my motives.

you cant answer a single question. LOL. Not a single one


-Giammarco

 

[Fruiteloop]

you cant answer a single question. LOL. Not a single one


-Giammarco

If you truly want to know why i got angry at quick twist it is because I failed to think clearlly in the moment because of all the pentagrams.

They were very scary.

 

[Akar]

If you truly want to know why i got angry at quick twist it is because I failed to think clearlly in the moment because of all the pentagrams.

They were very scary.

LOL. .

Do you understand that your manipulative nature was just exposed to the whole forum?You signed up for two different sites but came here just to target Quick. Isn't that odd?I know who you are and I know what you are.You can't lie to me.

-Giammmarco

 

[Fruiteloop]

LOL. .

Do you understand that your manipulative nature was just exposed to the whole forum?You signed up for two different sites but came here just to target Quick. Isn't that odd?I know who you are and I know what you are.You can't lie to me.

-Giammmarco

The topic is about gender dysphoria and no I was not targeting him. I have different views than him and tried to explain them.

I was agnry about such and such things we both resolved earlier in this thread so I am not angry at him.

I am sorry you did not accept my answer to the video I gave you. Yes was the final answer but I am not sure its final, science is never settled.

 

[Akar]

The topic is about gender dysphoria and no I was not targeting him. I have different views than him and tried to explain them.

I was agnry about such and such things we both resolved earlier in this thread so I am not angry at him.

I am sorry you did not accept my answer to the video I gave you. Yes was the final answer but I am not sure its final, science is never settled.

The fact that you feel the need to justify your history and your presence here only confirms what is already obvious: the mask has slipped.
You can hide behind the 'science is never settled' cliché, but your intellectual inconsistency on this thread is settled for everyone to see. You tried to use science as a pedestal to look down on others, only to discard it the moment it didn't serve your ego. That isn't 'debate'; it’s manipulation.
I don’t need to 'accept' your answers. Your own desperate attempts to backpedal and your admission of avoiding direct questions have already done the work for me. You can try to play the 'victim of a trap' or the 'misunderstood analyst,' but I see right through the act.
I know who you are. I know your nature. And now, this forum does too.
Enjoy the silence. I’m done for real this time.


-Giammarco

 

[Fruiteloop]

The fact that you feel the need to justify your history and your presence here only confirms what is already obvious: the mask has slipped.
You can hide behind the 'science is never settled' cliché, but your intellectual inconsistency on this thread is settled for everyone to see. You tried to use science as a pedestal to look down on others, only to discard it the moment it didn't serve your ego. That isn't 'debate'; it’s manipulation.
I don’t need to 'accept' your answers. Your own desperate attempts to backpedal and your admission of avoiding direct questions have already done the work for me. You can try to play the 'victim of a trap' or the 'misunderstood analyst,' but I see right through the act.
I know who you are. I know your nature. And now, this forum does too.
Enjoy the silence. I’m done for real this time.


-Giammarco

You can question my motives but that changes little about what they atually are.

The only person now who has problems with eachother is you and me.

Science does have its place and I was just trying to show where that place is.

I was not using it as a weapon thats in your imagination because its a complex topic.

So yes you can think what you want, hate me if you like. That changes nothing of the truth of who I am or what happened here.

 

[Fruiteloop]

I think looking at what happened that the topic of gender dysphoria made many people angry.

Whatever people think of me, or who they think I am, I was not intending any harm to anyone its just a bad topic to discus objectively because its just hard to talk about objectively.

I do not like manipulation so I fall for it many times and why I did not like how some people were doing it to me or each other and that's all.

I cannot guaranty that others will believe me but I do happen to know that if people fail to listen they attack you in such ways people here have attacked each other. I am sorry if I did so to those I did but I hate it to be manipulated into answering questions I should not be forced to answer.

I am simply sorry and will not trouble anyone in this thread any longer because I do not wish to create any more conflict.

I have no ill will at anyone. Gender dysphoria is just to much polarized.

 

[Akar]

You can question my motives but that changes little about what they atually are.

The only person now who has problems with eachother is you and me.

Science does have its place and I was just trying to show where that place is.

I was not using it as a weapon thats in your imagination because its a complex topic.

So yes you can think what you want, hate me if you like. That changes nothing of the truth of who I am or what happened here.

Playing the 'peaceful' card now is just your latest strategy to evade accountability for the dishonesty I’ve exposed. You didn't stop because you found empathy; you stopped because your pseudo-logic was dismantled and you ran out of masks.
You claim I'm the only one with a problem, yet you're the one frantically trying to scrub the stains of your own dishonesty off this thread. Keep your 'complex' theories and your fake humility.
Your attempt to play the 'misunderstood peacemaker' is just the final stage of your manipulation. You didn't find peace; you found a wall you couldn't climb
I don't need to hate you; one does not hate a mathematical error, one simply corrects it and moves on. The autopsy of your ego is complete. You are now irrelevant to the Truth

-Giammarco

 

[Akar]

I think looking at what happened that the topic of gender dysphoria made many people angry.

Whatever people think of me, or who they think I am, I was not intending any harm to anyone its just a bad topic to discus objectively because its just hard to talk about objectively.

I do not like manipulation so I fall for it many times and why I did not like how some people were doing it to me or each other and that's all.

I cannot guaranty that others will believe me but I do happen to know that if people fail to listen they attack you in such ways people here have attacked each other. I am sorry if I did so to those I did but I hate it to be manipulated into answering questions I should not be forced to answer.

I am simply sorry and will not trouble anyone in this thread any longer because I do not wish to create any more conflict.

I have no ill will at anyone. Gender dysphoria is just to much polarized.

Looool
Loooool
You see I’m correct lol


-Giammarco