Youth Going Through Gender Transition Are More At Risk Of Psychiatric Issues

[aeon]

The first nonconsensual act a newborn child experiences is the assignment of gender.

For many, the next nonconsensual act is the mutilation of their genitalia.

From my perspective, arguing the ethics of gender is already predicated on an unethical foundation.

Sometimes the change is undoing a wrong from the time of their birth.

Of course, children are regarded as property under the law, so it is what it is.

Cheers,
Ian

 

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The thing about this topic is, it seems silly to me to even debate it. People keep bringing up religion, science, god, gametes. Doesn't matter. You're thinking about this too deeply

If someone tells you they're something, that is what they are. Who are you to have the ego to tell them otherwise, as if you know that person better than they know themselves?

Would you tell someone who's gay that they're straight? Would you tell a Spaniard that they're Russian? No, you would not

Love and embrace people instead of attacking their identity and move on with your life. Focus on the real issues

 

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This thread is an ad hominem dumpster fire btw. The bizarre and unhinged accusations and personal attacks were fascinating to observe

 

[Misty]

The thing about this topic is, it seems silly to me to even debate it. People keep bringing up religion, science, god, gametes. Doesn't matter. You're thinking about this too deeply

If someone tells you they're something, that is what they are. Who are you to have the ego to tell them otherwise, as if you know that person better than they know themselves?

Would you tell someone who's gay that they're straight? Would you tell a Spaniard that they're Russian? No, you would not

Love and embrace people instead of attacking their identity and move on with your life. Focus on the real issues

What if the obvious Spaniard says they're a Russian? That's OK then, right?

 

[aeon]

What if the obvious Spaniard says they're a Russian? That's OK then, right?

Of course not. There’s a marked difference between self-expression, and the usage of labels applied from the external, such as nationality.

One is inherent, the other externally-applied.

Which is also the basis of errors of gender. Instead of it being expression of an inherent truth, it is born of external application without consent—an ethical trespass and violation of the right to self-determination.

Consider too, if you argue that angle, what you set yourself up for.

Cheers,
Ian

 

[Misty]

Of course not. There’s a marked difference between self-expression, and the usage of labels applied from the external, such as nationality.

One is inherent, the other externally-applied.

Which is also the basis of errors of gender. Instead of it being expression of an inherent truth, it is born of external application without consent—an ethical trespass and violation of the right to self-determination.

Consider too, if you argue that angle, what you set yourself up for.

Cheers,
Ian

Having self expression is fine, good even. Even if this expression comes out, in example, as a girl being a tomboy in all ways. But for a person with a penis and male chromosomes to say I am female is gender dysphoria. To say I am female - is for him not realistic. He is male by genetics, biology, and all the other wonderful things that make him a man.

There's perfectly good logic to this angle. Otherwise I can say that I am Vladimir Putin, or a 6 year old African American boy, no? Or an elephant. And if you refuse to join me in my hallucinations, delusions, or dysphoria - then you are being egotistical and a bigot, right?

See how it sounds?

If a person says they are gay or whatever they say, fine, that is between them and God, no problem. The problem starts when someone is asking me to call them something they are not. Call yourself the Queen of England if you like. Just don't demand others to play along and call them names when they choose reality and truth. That's all I'm saying, Ian.