Are INFJs useful to society?

INFJs are inherently visionary and tend toward progressive thinking, and yes, they have a lot of potential for conceiving revolutionary ideas, even ahead of their time, but implementation is a different matter, because it would require them to "conquer" reality, aka, Se the inferior cog in the psyche, which in itself requires a lot of energy. Things are worsened by the fact that the animosity of the world makes them rife with neuroses, depression and nihilism. That tends to hinder things.

fyi, I don't believe in INFJs being such a small percentage of population. A lot of them pass off as NTs because adaption to the thinking function is necessary to ground Ni so they'd have an easier time in the world which is adversarial to intuition.
 
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I don't think the world is adversarial to intuition (or against) . I just think the predominance of sensing types means it is largely misunderstood and/or discounted.
 
I don't think the world is adversarial to intuition (or against) . I just think the predominance of sensing types means it is largely misunderstood and/or discounted.

"First, when there's nothing but a slow glowing dream
In a world made of steel, made of stone"
;)




The fact sensors are the majority means they get to establish procedures that cater to them, so it effectively makes these constructs adversarial to INFJ nature and way of functioning.
 
Theoretically though it doesn't mean that Ni doesn't equip one with the skills to navigate sensor driven standards...hence is it really adversarial but rather different, requiring adjustment. Adaptation and flexibility are useful traits to have.
 
Theoretically though it doesn't mean that Ni doesn't equip one with the skills to navigate sensor driven standards...hence is it really adversarial but rather different, requiring adjustment. Adaptation and flexibility are useful traits to have.

Well yes, I wouldn't say it disables them entirely, but it's definitely a difficulty to overcome. Not all make it.
 
Also we live in an age that trancends natural selection, we need something to help the best carry on. sorry if that seems cold.
 
We need to have Ni doms to have those revolutionary ideas that look absolutely impossible.
Then we need everyone else to whine how it's impossible and how they should be more realistic.
Then you need Ni doms again to actually make it work and then everyone else to say they were acting cause they wanted to challenge them and blah blah blah
 
Is this entire question a joke??? Where be the love, [MENTION=1378]Orion[/MENTION]?! :m051:
 
But why INFJ's are the rarest in our society? Is this a general necessity? We are rare because of the structure of our current society, as it is evolved through history, and no, this is not a general necessity. There is conceptually possible another society full of INFJ's equally or even better from the one we live now. I doubt if the proportion in the population in Incas, Persians, tribes in Africa was the same as it is now in America.

We are rare because of genetic predisposition and societal bias. If a child is born with a strong sway towards left brain use and introversion, the society and environment will push them more likely to Si dominance then Ni, as they occupy the same parts of the brain. It would be rarer for an individual to prefer Ni dominance, unless they had a strong preference for it already as they grew up.

Well, guys, I am pretty sure that an inspired INFJ is very very able to be a mechanic engineering, an IT specialist and a buttom pusher in a factory. Giving attention to detail and trivial issues is something you learn. As other types can learn to be able to see the big picture and get in touch with their feelings.
What would be different is ideals of our society, the dominant culture, the structure of the system.
It is probable that doers would be catalysts in such a society, making INFJ's think "oh my god I must be more practical" but I do not doubt at all about the pace of progress, it would be faster as thinkers would accept the catalyst change faster.

This is true.

What I said was, INFJs are catalysts.

Doers cannot be catalysts

[MENTION=251]Wyote[/MENTION]; @VH; [MENTION=862]Flavus Aquila[/MENTION]; I think the "catalyst" moniker is really misleading. You are basing how you think INFJs will cope in an environment by placing them in a stereotypical "box" of how you think they will behave. INFJs are individuals with a cognitive preference Ni>Fe>Ti>Se, nothing more, nothing less. Assuming that their behaviour will be predisposed to act as catalysts or idealists is ignoring the basic element of human nature: we can do what we want, when we want! Your personality is motivational forces not a road map of predictable behaviour assigned by a Kiersey name tag.

That's not true, you just have to be yourself.

In light of what I said, that's quite a meaningless statement. If you mean:

INFJs just have to be themselves because that will naturally lead them to develop in the best way possible
INFJs just have to be themselves because who they are right now is enough to change the world.

Both are kind of ridiculous to assume. I know, because I am in that position myself. Overcoming a lot of issues and developing myself into the best possible person is hard and takes continual transformation, continuous paradigm shifts in how you perceive yourself and what you believe. Making a difference in a world that does not support or understand you necessitates development of your psyche that you are not in touch with. An INFJ simply has to do more to make a difference in this world.

Jungian was INFJ, so no INFJ no types.

There is strong evidence to suggest that Jung was an ISTP. There is not a lot about Jung that points him to being INFJ.

There is a rise in INFJ's as societies allow the personality to bloom rather than quash it through hardship.

Is there? How do you see it?
 
[MENTION=731]corndogman[/MENTION];

What is it about this thread that makes you feel we are committing type superiority? Because such an act goes against the point of type and even analytical psychology altogether, I want you to know that.
 
[MENTION=1378]Orion[/MENTION]; That INFJs are catalysts is more about their function in society according to type, more than about individual capacity.... it seems to me.
 
@corndogman;

What is it about this thread that makes you feel we are committing type superiority? Because such an act goes against the point of type and even analytical psychology altogether, I want you to know that.


Just comments on how the world is falling apart because of a lack of INFJs, that every INFJ is another Gandhi, and the general insinuation that every other type is happy ruining the world and that it takes an INFJ hero to step in and guide the lost sheep of the MBTI world.

Yes I know that type superiority goes against the point of type, and that is what I was pointing out in my own sarcastic way - which usually works but didnt this time around.
 
INFJs are useless without other people.
 
[MENTION=2800]detectivepope[/MENTION] No I don't have a negative predisposition on existence, I implied that having a lot INFJs would be as enjoyable as it is your personal experience of the world. I generally do not see superiority in any of the MBTI classes, I think the chances to survive are somewhat equally distributed to the types and personal differentiation plays the most important role. Thank you for the reply and don't worry about the rant I am in the linguistically inferior and miserable position to not be able to get it ! :)

[MENTION=1378]Orion[/MENTION]. You are talking about really changing the world and in a good way as Ghandi did?
My point is that every interaction is equally important in our world. Every individual is important and can make a difference only by its existence. Let's assume that existence is positive numbers and non- existence is zero. Going from 1 to 2 is not so important. Going from 0 to 1 is of great importance.
How many numbers you have to pass to make an importance starting from 1? 10? 100? That's your personal development.
Having INFJ characteristics is a further to reason to be important just because you exist. You exist in a world that doesn't understand your needs or doesn't not support you. That alone is enough to me to understand that you make the difference in that world.
Then, you are right being an INFJ is hard because the procedure is hard. But you are more likely to make a difference. Imagine that you are a relatively rare number. A prime number (2,3,5,11 etc) It's more difficult to get from 3 to 5, then 5 to eleven and then from 89 to 97. You may not make it easily but it is more likely to be important.
 
[MENTION=3846]Artsu Tharaz[/MENTION] partly true. Humans are useless without people. INFJs are humans. INFJs are useless without other people.
 
[MENTION=1814]invisible[/MENTION]. That remind me philosophy questions!!! Well, YES if we say that the world is objectove and YES if we say that the world is subjective and we are inside that very INFJ and NO if we say that the world is subjective and we are not that very INFJ.
 
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