Are we as a society being kept from discussing the big issues?

Lark said:
I agree with all those sorts of structural adjustments you're talking about but I think that even if those were made eugenics still makes good sense.

Individual and personal costs and benefits remain in reproduction despite or aswell as those structural questions/issues.
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Eugenics is a slippery slope to a very bad place

The idea is that certain people will be selected to pass on their genes to the exclusion of others

But the people who wield the power in our society are usually the people who are most ruthless and who have accumulated the greatest amount of wealth; this wealth is often passed down within the family and is not gained by subsequent generations through their merit but rather through the success (ruthlessness and often ammoral behaviour) of their ancestor

This means that the people whose genes would be passed down would be the genes of the richest people; but the richest people are often psychopaths; psychopathy is also passed down genetically

Eugenics is a way for psychopaths to try to eradicate the part of humanity which is able to empathise and feel compassion

That's what eugenics is really about and besides they are doing it already....

You know male fertility is dropping right? This is because they are exposing people to gender bending chemicals which cut male fertility and which change peoples sexual preferences

They are also chemtrailing, flouridating the water supply (proven now to be harmful to health), vaccinating people (with toxic vaccines) and putting carcinogenic chemicals in food as well as genetically modifying our food. They are seeking to quietly cull the population through silent violence
 
muir said:
Eugenics is a slippery slope to a very bad place

The idea is that certain people will be selected to pass on their genes to the exclusion of others

But the people who wield the power in our society are usually the people who are most ruthless and who have accumulated the greatest amount of wealth; this wealth is often passed down within the family and is not gained by subsequent generations through their merit but rather through the success (ruthlessness and often ammoral behaviour) of their ancestor

This means that the people whose genes would be passed down would be the genes of the richest people; but the richest people are often psychopaths; psychopathy is also passed down genetically

Eugenics is a way for psychopaths to try to eradicate the part of humanity which is able to empathise and feel compassion

That's what eugenics is really about and besides they are doing it already....

You know male fertility is dropping right? This is because they are exposing people to gender bending chemicals which cut male fertility and which change peoples sexual preferences

They are also chemtrailing, flouridating the water supply (proven now to be harmful to health), vaccinating people (with toxic vaccines) and putting carcinogenic chemicals in food as well as genetically modifying our food. They are seeking to quietly cull the population through silent violence
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That's interesting, I dont really think there's any conspiracy or deliberate plan but I have heard about the consequences of chemtrails, chemicals entering the water table from contraceptive and other sorts of pills, personally I've always thought if there was any attempt to change sexual preferences it was drive by ill conceived liberalism combined with a cultural offensive by homosexuals who, understandably I suppose from their perspective, would like there to be more homosexuals for them to hook up with.

There is aggressive normalisation campaigning going on in the UK through every organ of the media and pop culture, the plots, characters and more of most soap operas lend themselves to it, a lot, in a way which isnt reflective of anyones everyday lives I'm pretty sure, although I'm pretty sure that's a result of most writers, actors and a no doubt a sizeable proportion of the social elites being homosexual themselves and wanting their life experience to be reflected. The heterosexual majority is just either shit scared of being labelled bigots or believe they are notionally supportive of the underdog to put a break on it all. That's to say I dont believe there's any secret engineers on that particular front directing it all.

I tend to think of what you just described as bad eugenics, as opposed to a good sort which would aim at the eradication of disease or selection for something better, like in Dune or The Gate To Woman's Country.
 
Lark said:
That's interesting, I dont really think there's any conspiracy or deliberate plan but I have heard about the consequences of chemtrails, chemicals entering the water table from contraceptive and other sorts of pills, personally I've always thought if there was any attempt to change sexual preferences it was drive by ill conceived liberalism combined with a cultural offensive by homosexuals who, understandably I suppose from their perspective, would like there to be more homosexuals for them to hook up with.

There is aggressive normalisation campaigning going on in the UK through every organ of the media and pop culture, the plots, characters and more of most soap operas lend themselves to it, a lot, in a way which isnt reflective of anyones everyday lives I'm pretty sure, although I'm pretty sure that's a result of most writers, actors and a no doubt a sizeable proportion of the social elites being homosexual themselves and wanting their life experience to be reflected. The heterosexual majority is just either shit scared of being labelled bigots or believe they are notionally supportive of the underdog to put a break on it all. That's to say I dont believe there's any secret engineers on that particular front directing it all.

I tend to think of what you just described as bad eugenics, as opposed to a good sort which would aim at the eradication of disease or selection for something better, like in Dune or The Gate To Woman's Country.
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Although i am perceived by some on this forum as often speaking about what they call 'conspiracy theories' i only really talk about a small part of it because much of it is very dark

But seeing as you are yourself discussing these matters i'll say to you what my thoughts on the matter are

psychopaths have a low resting heart rate. they need to do extreme things to get a buzz. This might start out as petty criminal acts when they are young but will often spiral into murder as they grow older

'conspiracy theorists' such as david Ike have been saying for a long time now that people in the upper echelons of society are engaging in child abuse and sacrifice

he named people and sure enough he truth has been now coming out in the mainstream media perhaps most visibly in the story of jimmy saville who ike named when saville was alive

recently a tory aide to thatcher has now been exposed as being involved in child abuse as well as a string of other celebrities and politicians and there will be more

When you get into the occult you find that sex and sacrifice are deeply embeded in it. As the el-ite are culturally involved in the occult inevitably sexual perversions and sacrifice become a part of their lives

The psychopaths have created pyramidal hierarchical systems and then installed themselves at the top of them
 
Lark said:
Just because ideas have been employed by corrupt individuals or regimes or evil people doesnt, in my view, make the ideas wicked per se.

I'll explain, libertarians are fond of saying that since a welfare state was introduced in Germany that welfare states much be fascist/Nazi and therefore if you support welfare states you are a Nazi, that's reductionist and absurd, although that's the logic and I think most of the criticism of things such as eugenics are too similar for my liking.

I'm not talking about anything involuntary at all, I'm talking about information, if people had the complete picture of their and their partners genetic compatibility and the likelihood of their offspring being one way or another they could make decisions accordingly and I would hope it would lead to better decisions than happen in the abscence of that information, what if people discovered that at the genetic level they were close to being cousins? I dont mean that there is any possibility of incest, definitely not deliberately so, but at the genetic level there can be similarity, especially in societies were there could be unknown infidelity just one or two generations removed from the present generation you know? Not everyone has a genogram or their geneology worked out or would bother but for those that could or would wouldnt it be a good idea? I know that some ethnic groups which prefer to marry within their own ethnicity do this sort of thing already, like some Jewish communities.

The other incentives I mentioned are really to do with the sorts of people who are self-reportedly or notably impulsive, neglectful etc. in the main but perhaps also relevent in the case of vulnerable individuals or populations, you're right in mentioning that those people can fall prey to well intended social policies and the authorities but sadly, in most societies, there are reprehensible individuals who will exploit them or harm them just as quickly.
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I like your comment about good eugenics...because I think what you're referring to is whether or not someone, if they know they would pass on a disease or genetic abnormality, would have a child. There are tests you can do, and screening on your fetus that allows you to make this choice. It goes back to ethical questions of choice...such as whether or not a female with AIDs should have a child, since the mother-child transmission can happen.

I think it's a personal choice...and that's fine. But when you instill the idea of eugenics on a population level, terrible things can happen! And as [MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION] said, it's a slippery slope.
 
muir said:
Although i am perceived by some on this forum as often speaking about what they call 'conspiracy theories' i only really talk about a small part of it because much of it is very dark

But seeing as you are yourself discussing these matters i'll say to you what my thoughts on the matter are

psychopaths have a low resting heart rate. they need to do extreme things to get a buzz. This might start out as petty criminal acts when they are young but will often spiral into murder as they grow older

'conspiracy theorists' such as david Ike have been saying for a long time now that people in the upper echelons of society are engaging in child abuse and sacrifice

he named people and sure enough he truth has been now coming out in the mainstream media perhaps most visibly in the story of jimmy saville who ike named when saville was alive

recently a tory aide to thatcher has now been exposed as being involved in child abuse as well as a string of other celebrities and politicians and there will be more

When you get into the occult you find that sex and sacrifice are deeply embeded in it. As the el-ite are culturally involved in the occult inevitably sexual perversions and sacrifice become a part of their lives

The psychopaths have created pyramidal hierarchical systems and then installed themselves at the top of them
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I dont disagree with any of that, although I think the occult overtones will sort of disappear and be replaced with something else to keep apace with social change, religion and christianity, of which the occult is the shadow, are in decline and may disappear even.

Psychopathy among the elites is nothing new and its playing out in that way is nothing new either.
 
I dont really believe in the anti-democratic idea that anything at a popular level is going to mutate into something awful, it sure can but its not necessarily so.

It is pretty much as you say, I'm not saying that people should be forceably sterilised but incentives could be provided in some instance, its not like there are not incentives provided for pro-social behaviour already, both natural consequences which not everyone appreciates and logical consequences which not everyone appreciates either but which are public policy.

It is a matter of conscience but I see it as a matter of promoting planning too, family planning and deliberation rather than impulsive and compulsive.
 
Lark said:
I dont disagree with any of that, although I think the occult overtones will sort of disappear and be replaced with something else to keep apace with social change, religion and christianity, of which the occult is the shadow, are in decline and may disappear even.

Psychopathy among the elites is nothing new and its playing out in that way is nothing new either.
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Yeah Christianity is nothing but paganism given a new outfit

I think as awareness grows many things will not stand upto the light of day.....the hidden will become seen....or rather known
 
Not sure if you guys have seen this at all:

[video=youtube;zyZ256S0Plg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyZ256S0Plg#t=182[/video]
 
Lark said:
I dont really believe in the anti-democratic idea that anything at a popular level is going to mutate into something awful, it sure can but its not necessarily so.

It is pretty much as you say, I'm not saying that people should be forceably sterilised but incentives could be provided in some instance, its not like there are not incentives provided for pro-social behaviour already, both natural consequences which not everyone appreciates and logical consequences which not everyone appreciates either but which are public policy.

It is a matter of conscience but I see it as a matter of promoting planning too, family planning and deliberation rather than impulsive and compulsive.
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How doy uo incentivise the wealthy psychopaths to sterilise themselves? You can't

The people who can incentivise are the people who have the money (the wealthy psychopaths)

So a incentive system is exactly the same eugenics programme run out by the super rich against the rest of humanity

Also i don' think there are many incentives for pro-social behaviour in our current system...i think most incentives in our system are for anti-social behaviour
 
say what said:
Not sure if you guys have seen this at all:

[video=youtube;zyZ256S0Plg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyZ256S0Plg#t=182[/video]
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Is this referring to the upcoming 'american spring' demonstration?

My feelings on that particular move is that it is a staged event...a false dawn

I think they are going to try to orchestrate a limited resistance that will fail but enable them to pass further laws and possibly facilitate the lock down of the country, the introduction of martial law and the beginnings of the house to house gun grabs

This is what Hitler did. he burned down the reichstag parliament building and blamed it on his enemies so that he could then pass the 'enabling act' which put his country in a state of emergency and gave him supreme dictatorial powers. he then rounded up all his politicial opponents including 5000 communists
 
[video=youtube;X6J_7PvWoMw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6J_7PvWoMw[/video]
 
muir said:
Is this referring to the upcoming 'american spring' demonstration?

My feelings on that particular move is that it is a staged event...a false dawn

I think they are going to try to orchestrate a limited resistance that will fail but enable them to pass further laws and possibly facilitate the lock down of the country, the introduction of martial law and the beginnings of the house to house gun grabs

This is what Hitler did. he burned down the reichstag parliament building and blamed it on his enemies so that he could then pass the 'enabling act' which put his country in a state of emergency and gave him supreme dictatorial powers. he then rounded up all his politicial opponents including 5000 communists
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It is reference to that! Interesting point!
 
muir said:
How doy uo incentivise the wealthy psychopaths to sterilise themselves? You can't

The people who can incentivise are the people who have the money (the wealthy psychopaths)

So a incentive system is exactly the same eugenics programme run out by the super rich against the rest of humanity

Also i don' think there are many incentives for pro-social behaviour in our current system...i think most incentives in our system are for anti-social behaviour
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I agree but I think that should change and I think that's possible.

I do think that the wealthy psychopaths are a problem and cant be incentivised but they are not the only show in town, there are others who are influenceable and should be influenced and whose behaviour if it changed would benefit everyone even if it doesnt change the struggle between the classes and the masses.
 
say what said:
It is reference to that! Interesting point!
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Sorry i know thats not the most positive view but its just something i have heard

I think they are trying to front run the inevitable protest that they know is coming; it would make sense for them to stage a failed uprising they can control so that they can then prevent the real protest

I hope i'm wrong and i hope it succeeds, but i don't think this will be the one
 
There is a war going on right now and it doesn’t involve guns or the military industrial complex.
It’s a war on consciousness ( <----is another link) and most people are clueless that it even exists.

http://themindunleashed.org/2014/03/everything-ever-taught-lie.html

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[video=youtube;U4gVl4XHoLg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4gVl4XHoLg[/video]
 
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