Clinton vs Trump, Trump vs Clinton

[ImaginaryBloke]

The mainstream media might just have to begin a brand new round of defending Hillary Clinton on the issue of her mishandling of classified information through her private, unauthorized, and illegal email server. It appears another device – with copies of every deleted email – has been discovered!

Breitbart.com reports that a backup data device called a “Datto,” containing Clinton’s private emails exists. They report that Judicial Watch has discovered the device is in the possession of the FBI. They have now filed a FOIA request to pressure the agency into producing the long forgotten device, sending the FOIA request via Certified Mail so as to have a record of the request.

The existence of a full record of Hillary Clinton’s 33,000 deleted private emails could very well be a game changer… that is if the FBI produces the material in an expedited manner. With just 24 days until Election Day, every second counts.

[...]

A Datto device is an online backup service that creates copies of data kept on a physical server. In other words, it is tantamount to a mirror server that can be used to retrieve information in the event of a catastrophic server event…like, say, a server being BleachBit erased.

Hillary Clinton’s unauthorized and illegal home-brew email server was using a Datto device throughout its existence. This reality presents an opportunity for the Clinton team to launch into a full-blown panic given that the disjointed FBI investigation – and Wikileaks – has already confirmed that Clinton’s server illegally contained classified and Top Secret material.

That Clinton’s home-brew computer company didn’t realize her machine was still communicating with the Datto device until shortly before they surrendered it to the FBI, is a blunder that could cost Mrs. Clinton both the election and her freedom.

Wednesday afternoon, the Datto Company announced it had surrendered a “hardware device” to the FBI. They also said in a statement they had surrendered all Clinton emails the company had in its possession.

http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2016/10...t-the-worst-news-of-the-campaign-2613546.html


Ditto, Hillary has got a device called "Datto".

Maybe that we will see Hillary's all deleted emails. Hopefully, Wikileaks has it this too.

The usefulness of technology is limited by the intelligence of its users.

 

[ImaginaryBloke]

Based on these revelations and many many more I have read, I can conclude that Hillary Clinton and her campaign have been able to formulate an entirely one-sided narrative using almost every single corporate media outlet and newspaper over the last year and a half. This level of collusion is not just corrupt, it is borderline-Soviet style censorship. This sort of suppression of words and people, this preferential treatment, it is tantamount to a propaganda machine; at its core is Hillary. The goal of these organizations is to get her elected, not to report the news, not to investigate claims, not to get to the truth. The American people now have undeniable proof of a scandal that should completely dwarf Watergate, and here I still see people completely taken in by the bait. It's rather depressing that many members of this forum (you know who you are) are willing to elect somebody that would perpetuate the greatest level of corruption and censorship that this country has ever seen. And what is the reason for this collective madness? "Trump said mean things about women". After reading these Wikileaks and learning all you need to know about the Clinton machine, you honestly have to wonder how long it would take to repair this damage. The so-called "Trump tape" scandal is not a scandal. Those tapes were released exactly one hour after the first Podesta leak; not a coincidence. The Washington Post (also colluded with the Clinton Campaign) put that out in order to deflect the REAL scandal that they have been trying to cover up ever since the first leak of evidence to prove it, and the media is now provably gotten their hands shoved into the filth of corruption just to make sure all of you sheep-bait lickers keep your brains locked onto the "real news" (Trump is a sexist racist madman). It is all provably a massive, giant farce that has been perpetuated and many of you forum-goers have took it straight down your throats hook, line and sinker.

I noticed that too last autumn during the Democrat presidential nomination process. Paul Krugman has been important in writing about economic matters for the NYT. He is an "important" contributor and also a columnist at NYT. Last year, NYT, like other papers, completely ignored Bernie Sanders campaign. Later on they did write about him but only in limited ways. There was not the deep analysis that NYT writes in other articles about other things. In the end, the NYT board, including PK, seemed to side entirely with Hillary and she was later their chosen nominee in the race. That was weird and looked like collusion.

I learnt more about Bernie by reading the comments than the articles in NYT.

 

[Stu]

Paul Krugman was certainly against Sanders and did write about what he thought was wrong with the Sanders approach. He mainly complained about Sanders not clearly showing where the money would come from to pay for new spending. There were several more socialistic economists who wrote about how anti Sanders Krugman was, the guys in Dollars and Sense come to mind. Sanders' approach would be a serious departure from the way things are now and the Times is a status quo paper.

To that point, the economy is going to radically change in the next fifty years and the goal of nearly full employment will not be possible. We really need a plan for that eventuality.

 

[Wyote]

This election is pretty much Trumpzilla Vs Feminism

 

[Eventhorizon]

The mainstream media might just have to begin a brand new round of defending Hillary Clinton on the issue of her mishandling of classified information through her private, unauthorized, and illegal email server. It appears another device – with copies of every deleted email – has been discovered!

Breitbart.com reports that a backup data device called a “Datto,” containing Clinton’s private emails exists. They report that Judicial Watch has discovered the device is in the possession of the FBI. They have now filed a FOIA request to pressure the agency into producing the long forgotten device, sending the FOIA request via Certified Mail so as to have a record of the request.

The existence of a full record of Hillary Clinton’s 33,000 deleted private emails could very well be a game changer… that is if the FBI produces the material in an expedited manner. With just 24 days until Election Day, every second counts.

[...]

A Datto device is an online backup service that creates copies of data kept on a physical server. In other words, it is tantamount to a mirror server that can be used to retrieve information in the event of a catastrophic server event…like, say, a server being BleachBit erased.

Hillary Clinton’s unauthorized and illegal home-brew email server was using a Datto device throughout its existence. This reality presents an opportunity for the Clinton team to launch into a full-blown panic given that the disjointed FBI investigation – and Wikileaks – has already confirmed that Clinton’s server illegally contained classified and Top Secret material.

That Clinton’s home-brew computer company didn’t realize her machine was still communicating with the Datto device until shortly before they surrendered it to the FBI, is a blunder that could cost Mrs. Clinton both the election and her freedom.

Wednesday afternoon, the Datto Company announced it had surrendered a “hardware device” to the FBI. They also said in a statement they had surrendered all Clinton emails the company had in its possession.

http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2016/10...t-the-worst-news-of-the-campaign-2613546.html


Ditto, Hillary has got a device called "Datto".

Maybe that we will see Hillary's all deleted emails. Hopefully, Wikileaks has it this too.

The usefulness of technology is limited by the intelligence of its users.

This is an interesting dynamic. I dont understand Republicans saying they will bring Hillary to trial after the election. Theres enough evidence now to nullify the FBIs ruling and investigate Comeny as well.

What I do not understand more though is this idea that the law is political. Every single American should be screaming for Hillarys head. No one is above the law. You dont get to pick and choose what laws you wish to folllow. More so though is, the blatant attempt to manipulate the whole thing by dozens upon dozens of law makers. People who know the law has been broken but dont care because it effects the political chances with a specific candidate.

You put anyone I respect and think should be President in the same position and I would expect them to be in jail now. Without laws, we have no nation.

We are on the edge, a very real edge of losing our nation. No one believes it can happen because no one has ever seen it.

If the corruption is not rooted out and removed....

 

[Sandie33]

This is an interesting dynamic. I dont understand Republicans saying they will bring Hillary to trial after the election. Theres enough evidence now to nullify the FBIs ruling and investigate Comeny as well.

What I do not understand more though is this idea that the law is political. Every single American should be screaming for Hillarys head. No one is above the law. You dont get to pick and choose what laws you wish to folllow. More so though is, the blatant attempt to manipulate the whole thing by dozens upon dozens of law makers. People who know the law has been broken but dont care because it effects the political chances with a specific candidate.

You put anyone I respect and think should be President in the same position and I would expect them to be in jail now. Without laws, we have no nation.

We are on the edge, a very real edge of losing our nation. No one believes it can happen because no one has ever seen it.

If the corruption is not rooted out and removed....

We are on the edge, a very real edge of losing our nation. No one believes it can happen because no one has ever seen it.

If the corruption is not rooted out and removed....

I agree with you. :'(

Unfortunately, folks think it can't happen to us. That we are some how above & beyond and protected from the 'bad'stuff out there...but there are many that didn't think the tragedies of 9-11 could happen here in the states either....thank you for putting in print what I have been trying to say ;-)

 

[Stu]

The GOP house will impeach her within nine months of her inauguration, the Senate will exonerate her (even if the GOP controls it) all a year before the midterm elections.

 

[Sloe Djinn]

I stand by my post.
I stand in my logical reason for where I will cast my vote.
I do not like any of my choices. Queen Hilliary will sit and collect political memories and probably write a book. Donald needs to go home and forget about it. He will write a book.

Four years. I am not going to pretend that in 4 years a century worth of damaged, out dated, broken down politics will be solved via miracle. I am being logical in my choice not touchy-feely emotionally led. On Facts. Naivety will not fly while making a choice in this election...neither will stupidity.

I am willing to place my bet & bank on the collective Republican party to...as the speaker Ryan has said. Forget the top of the heap, vote on state and local level to anchor a positioning hold on in-action for the leads term by stopping Trump or Hilliary with tied hands. This will give congress and the next presidential candidate (2020-2024 term) a chance to plan for a markedly improved future and void of the showy fucking reality show fluff of "look at me, look at me" currently going on. FuckThat!

I am as patriotic as I can believe.
I am an American.
Most of my family paternal and maternal spilt blood, sweat and tears doing their part to insure freedom, liberty and justice for ALL...country, family and community. I am embarrassed to be an American teaching others what it means to be an American.

'Americanism is an ideology or belief in devotion, loyalty, or allegiance to the United States of America
or to its flag, traditions, customs, culture, symbols, institutions, or form of government.[2]'--bullshit This is being forgotten! Any builder knows without a firm foundation your house will crumble and you will be fucking homeless!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americanism_(ideology)
.......

I agree with this!
And I have started as town cryer in my town's streets...open your eyes and ears. Washington is not Hollywood, Your life is not a game show, reality show or e-game...stop sleep walking in complacency, step up and vote toward the future, Your future, and your children's future.
Do Some Thing besides bitching...change starts with you.
The forefathers who began the United Stated of America did it why?? No answer? Can't answer?
...go fucking find out! c-y'all

My intention wasn't to judge anyone's choice assuming that the first part of that post was in response to mine. I'm just expressing resentment at being told that if I don't do what someone else thinks is right (which may well be the case for them in their circumstances, for their own reasons, and in accordance with their personal vision of what America is) then I'm worthless and I don't care about my own family or anyone important to me. Now, one could say that I'm the pot calling the kettle black in light of the skepticism that I have voiced about voting for our current candidates, but I wouldn't go as far as to declare your worth as a person in accordance with your choice. Again, that's not in response to anything posted specifically by you, and my intention in the previous post was not to challenge anything in particular that you have said, and I applaud you standing up for what you believe in.

To contribute to the discussion in general, and addressing nobody in particular, I'd say the following: realize that the concept of what America is varies greatly to all of the people who live here. America, and the idea of it, is not what it used to be. It continues to change and evolve, and will continue to do so. It is way more of a melting pot than it ever was in the days of the founding fathers. Jump from their time to, for example the 1950's-60's, and then on into the present, and they might drop dead from shock to see what America has become today. I don't even mean that in the sense of it being a perversion and corruption of their ideals, but rather I wonder if this country and the surrounding world have ceased to present an environment in which those principles continue to apply with anywhere near the effectiveness that they originally had.

The sheer amount of people who live here and the variance of their worldviews and ideals is wonderful, but when you try to apply one overarching vision of harmony to such an insanely diverse population, how can there not be a significant amount of disagreement and resultant discord? That's one thing that always stands out to me when I hear people implore others to a particular course of action with respect to preserving whatever it is to be American. It's used so readily, but I rarely see any regard for the fact that the idea differs so greatly from person to person that confusion and misunderstanding are inevitable. The values of the founding fathers may be noble, or for someone else, the A-bomb and apple pie culture of the 50's, but whatever we hold onto, we need to be able to reconcile it with today's environment while having acceptance for the change and uncertainty that is inherent in the future. What America is may need to be rediscovered, and (in my opinion) respect given to what I do believe is a lasting principle, that we are all created equal. I'm not really sure how to go about that though, and my lunch is over.

 

[CindyLou]

I'm just expressing resentment at being told that if I don't do what someone else thinks is right (which may well be the case for them in their circumstances, for their own reasons, and in accordance with their personal vision of what America is) then I'm worthless and I don't care about my own family or anyone important to me. Now, one could say that I'm the pot calling the kettle black in light of the skepticism that I have voiced about voting for our current candidates, but I wouldn't go as far as to declare your worth as a person in accordance with your choice. Again, that's not in response to anything posted specifically by you, and my intention in the previous post was not to challenge anything in particular that you have said, and I applaud you standing up for what you believe in.

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OH that was for me! I didn't read it that way. I'm glad you clarified that because I was completely oblivious.

I made the post about being worthless to your loved ones later on if you stand by and watch tyranny grow around you, and say or do nothing when you had the chance. I meant the global YOU. All of us. I was speaking to myself too! I still believe that. I'm sorry.

I meant no personal offense to anyone posting in this thread.

 

[Sandie33]

My intention wasn't to judge anyone's choice assuming that the first part of that post was in response to mine. I'm just expressing resentment at being told that if I don't do what someone else thinks is right (which may well be the case for them in their circumstances, for their own reasons, and in accordance with their personal vision of what America is) then I'm worthless and I don't care about my own family or anyone important to me. Now, one could say that I'm the pot calling the kettle black in light of the skepticism that I have voiced about voting for our current candidates, but I wouldn't go as far as to declare your worth as a person in accordance with your choice. Again, that's not in response to anything posted specifically by you, and my intention in the previous post was not to challenge anything in particular that you have said, and I applaud you standing up for what you believe in.

To contribute to the discussion in general, and addressing nobody in particular, I'd say the following: realize that the concept of what America is varies greatly to all of the people who live here. America, and the idea of it, is not what it used to be. It continues to change and evolve, and will continue to do so. It is way more of a melting pot than it ever was in the days of the founding fathers. Jump from their time to, for example the 1950's-60's, and then on into the present, and they might drop dead from shock to see what America has become today. I don't even mean that in the sense of it being a perversion and corruption of their ideals, but rather I wonder if this country and the surrounding world have ceased to present an environment in which those principles continue to apply with anywhere near the effectiveness that they originally had.

The sheer amount of people who live here and the variance of their worldviews and ideals is wonderful, but when you try to apply one overarching vision of harmony to such an insanely diverse population, how can there not be a significant amount of disagreement and resultant discord? That's one thing that always stands out to me when I hear people implore others to a particular course of action with respect to preserving whatever it is to be American. It's used so readily, but I rarely see any regard for the fact that the idea differs so greatly from person to person that confusion and misunderstanding are inevitable. The values of the founding fathers may be noble, or for someone else, the A-bomb and apple pie culture of the 50's, but whatever we hold onto, we need to be able to reconcile it with today's environment while having acceptance for the change and uncertainty that is inherent in the future. What America is may need to be rediscovered, and (in my opinion) respect given to what I do believe is a lasting principle, that we are all created equal. I'm not really sure how to go about that though, and my lunch is over.

Thank you for stating your thoughts.

I have much to say and my striving point is: This is America.
We are certainly diverse. A melting pot of cultures for sure. I do not speak to instigate discord, create an argument or any negative outcome. I do not single out individuals unless I am certain I have a cause to bitch, I am entitled as is any human to be distraught and to state my opinion. I allow others theirs out of respect...all this being said...

I'm mad as hell that the basic premise of FREEDOM is being forgotten. The forefathers began and faught for this country for it to remain a FREELAND...The ideal that this country is a place to follow your dream and persue your future. This country is a place for those folks who need to to escape the persecution, murders, tyranny, etc. from their 'home' country to have a place to find FREEDOM to persue their dream also. When others come to obtain citizenship here in the US they are adopting OUR CULTURE. Our policies are antiquated and in need of change. Many of our laws are in play to satisfy the entries, diplomats from country of origin, or rub elbows in the name of growth. Much of our tax payers monies are spent like allowances to unruly kids to rebuild countries harmed in the World Wars...out dated allowances to countries who should and have been self sufficent by now (and some very much are!). Yet we as a country are going broke supporting those not our own....oh geeish, forget it

 

[brightmoon]

You put anyone I respect and think should be President in the same position and I would expect them to be in jail now. Without laws, we have no nation.

Here is a list of people (by no mean exhaustive) that have either used private e-mail and/or established private e-mail servers while working for the government:

(1) Karl Rove
(2) Colin Powell
(3) Condi Rice
(4) Jeb Bush
(5) Chris Christie
(6) Scott Walker
(7) Bobby Jindal
(8) Rick Perry

At least half of the people on this list have run for President, yet none of them are in jail or have convicted of any crime. Their crimes have certainly not received the press that the Hillary e-mail server scandal has received.

 

[CindyLou]

Here is a list of people (by no mean exhaustive) that have either used private e-mail and/or established private e-mail servers while working for the government:

(1) Karl Rove
(2) Colin Powell
(3) Condi Rice
(4) Jeb Bush
(5) Chris Christie
(6) Scott Walker
(7) Bobby Jindal
(8) Rick Perry

At least half of the people on this list have run for President, yet none of them are in jail or have convicted of any crime. Their crimes have certainly not received the press that the Hillary e-mail server scandal has received.

Okay, you're not under the impression that is the crime. Right?

 

[Peppermint]

Okay, you're not under the impression that is the crime. Right?

You're talking to the guy who said "others kill too, so what?" when pointed out to Hillary is complicit in war crimes. Don't get your hopes up.

 

[ImaginaryBloke]

I agree with you. :'(

Unfortunately, folks think it can't happen to us. That we are some how above & beyond and protected from the 'bad'stuff out there...but there are many that didn't think the tragedies of 9-11 could happen here in the states either....thank you for putting in print what I have been trying to say ;-)

You see, the tiny European country has a better class of prisoner these days. Since the global financial crisis in 2008, a total of 26 bankers have been sentenced to a combined 74 years in prison.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/23/iceland-where-bankers-go-to-jail-for-74-years.html

If Iceland can do it, you can do it too. You are just a bit ... slack. Get the ball rolling.

 

[ImaginaryBloke]

Trump Will Bring Obama's Half-Brother As His Guest To Tomorrow's Debate; Proposes Term Limits

by Tyler Durden
Oct 18, 2016 7:35 PM

Just when you thought the shock value of Trump may have peaked when the Republican candidate brought with him some of the most prominent sexual accusers of Bill Clinton to the second debate, he has once again outdone himself, and as the NY Post reports, President Obama’s half-brother will attend Wednesday night’s presidential debate in Las Vegas as Trump's guest.

“I’m excited to be at the debate. Trump can make America great again,” Malik Obama, the president’s sibling on his father’s side and fan of Donald Trump's, told the Post.

The 58-year-old is a U.S. citizen and splits his time between his home country of Kenya and Washington, D.C., where he has lived since 1985. “I look very much forward to meeting and being with Malik,” Trump told the Post. “He gets it far better than his brother.”

Malik agrees with Trump that the mainstream media is biased, and he dismisses the women who claim Trump kissed or groped them without their permission. “I don’t believe them,” Malik said. “Why didn’t they come forward before?”

Malik, who is three years older than Barack, said he last saw his sibling in August 2015 after the president had visited Kenya. “I went to the White House to say hello. I paid a courtesy call,” he said. But it wasn’t a very warm and loving reception. “As usual, it was a hands-off kind of thing, very businesslike, very formal,” Malik said.

Trump also invited the mother of a Benghazi victim to be his guest at the debate. Pat Smith, mother of the late State Department employee Sean Smith, is a vocal critic of Hillary Clinton who blames the Democratic presidential nominee for the death of her son.

[...]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...s-guest-tomorrows-debate-proposes-term-limits


All you Hillary and Obama haters, your prayers have been answered. Obama's half-brother will attend the presidential debate between Trump and Clinton.

(I am falling off my chair. This is a clown circus. )

 

[Eventhorizon]

Trump Will Bring Obama's Half-Brother As His Guest To Tomorrow's Debate; Proposes Term Limits

by Tyler Durden
Oct 18, 2016 7:35 PM

Just when you thought the shock value of Trump may have peaked when the Republican candidate brought with him some of the most prominent sexual accusers of Bill Clinton to the second debate, he has once again outdone himself, and as the NY Post reports, President Obama’s half-brother will attend Wednesday night’s presidential debate in Las Vegas as Trump's guest.

“I’m excited to be at the debate. Trump can make America great again,” Malik Obama, the president’s sibling on his father’s side and fan of Donald Trump's, told the Post.

The 58-year-old is a U.S. citizen and splits his time between his home country of Kenya and Washington, D.C., where he has lived since 1985. “I look very much forward to meeting and being with Malik,” Trump told the Post. “He gets it far better than his brother.”

Malik agrees with Trump that the mainstream media is biased, and he dismisses the women who claim Trump kissed or groped them without their permission. “I don’t believe them,” Malik said. “Why didn’t they come forward before?”

Malik, who is three years older than Barack, said he last saw his sibling in August 2015 after the president had visited Kenya. “I went to the White House to say hello. I paid a courtesy call,” he said. But it wasn’t a very warm and loving reception. “As usual, it was a hands-off kind of thing, very businesslike, very formal,” Malik said.

Trump also invited the mother of a Benghazi victim to be his guest at the debate. Pat Smith, mother of the late State Department employee Sean Smith, is a vocal critic of Hillary Clinton who blames the Democratic presidential nominee for the death of her son.

[...]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...s-guest-tomorrows-debate-proposes-term-limits


All you Hillary and Obama haters, your prayers have been answered. Obama's half-brother will attend the presidential debate between Trump and Clinton.

(I am falling off my chair. This is a clown circus. )

I just dont get this. How bizarre.

 

[brightmoon]

You're talking to the guy who said "others kill too, so what?" when pointed out to Hillary is complicit in war crimes. Don't get your hopes up.

What are you talking about exactly?

 

[Sloe Djinn]

OH that was for me! I didn't read it that way. I'm glad you clarified that because I was completely oblivious.

I made the post about being worthless to your loved ones later on if you stand by and watch tyranny grow around you, and say or do nothing when you had the chance. I meant the global YOU. All of us. I was speaking to myself too! I still believe that. I'm sorry.

I meant no personal offense to anyone posting in this thread.

No you hurt my feelz!!! I understand the context now, and I appreciate the explanation. The royal "we".

 

[brightmoon]

Okay, you're not under the impression that is the crime. Right?

Remind of her so called crimes again?

Is the crime starting an illegal war under the flimsiest of evidence? Based on WMDs that weren't there.

Is the crime the 4 deaths in Benghazi? The last time a Republican occupied the White House there were 87 embassy deaths on his watch plus 2,996 deaths on 9/11

and these are the people - the Republicans, lead by Trump we are supposed to trust?

 

[ImaginaryBloke]

I just dont get this. How bizarre.

“He’s not an honest man,” said the elder Obama. “It’s a big humiliation.”

http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/27/obamas-kenyan-brother-barack-is-not-an-honest-man


Obama's sister: 'My brother has carried our name up there'

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/22/politics/obama-family-kenya-brooke-baldwin/index.html


The people of Moneygall – population 320 – celebrated July 4th in true American style yesterday with the opening of the President Barack Obama Visitor Centre.

http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/h...centre-opens-in-moneygall-co-offaly-1.1855962


There is a family feud in the extended Obama family. Some relatives like the current POTUS, others detest him.

In my view, Barack Obama is using his family name and family heritage for furthering his own image and career. In 2015, he visited his family in Kenya. In 2014, he visited Ireland to connect to his Irish ancestry. I believe that this guy has got some narcissistic/psychopathic qualities.

As a politician, Hillary Clinton is intimately connected to Barack Obama. When I see Donald Trump wanting to use the Obama connection, it spells a clash of big proportions. There is going to be mud slinging involved in the next debate.