Clinton vs Trump, Trump vs Clinton

acd said:
He is defeating himself. He could have won this if he didn't shoot himself in both feet with a bazooka.... Every other day. He is bad at this. That is why he is down in the polls and why he WILL lose.
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I dont think he could have won. He clearly has no filter between his brain and mouth. Not a really bad thing to know how someone think but then again for some it is.
 
I told myself I wouldn't enter the rabbit hole by posting here, but I've seen some pretty vile displays of ignorance and a celebration of righteous indignation that I just have to make my mark before resigning from such a farce.

I have probably read at least twenty, thirty, perhaps up to fifty emails (from the Podesta leaks and the ones before that) that, if were appropriately covered during your average news cycle by the corporate media outlets, would END Hillary's campaign indefinitely.

In the following leak, Hillary is revealed to have deleted the emails herself, despite saying under oath that she did not do such a thing. This could amount to a threat of perjury under law: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4099

Here, the Clinton Campaign's chairman John Podesta expresses his desire for the terror attack perpetrator to have a name that wasn't Arab; this implies a cold attitude towards narrative-control: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11500

The Clinton Campaign's desire to keep the US voting public effectively sterilized in the brain. Quote: "we've all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry." - https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3599

Hillary's support for TPP, despite her repeatedly saying she doesn't at the debates: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6616

Quote: "she has begun to hate everyday Americans": https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4433

Clinton speech to Goldman Sachs defending the fake plight of bankers and their need for more money: https://wikileaks.com/podesta-emails/emailid/11011#efmA5-A9Y

And here, one (out of many) correspondence with the New York Times: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10423#efmAV1AZy

And now for the final nail in her corrupt coffin. Her campaign has been directly communicating Trump smear strategies with all of the major outlets. Here are some more emails:

Huffington Post quote: "I am committed to make sure she is elected as the next President of United States." - https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5988

Associated Press: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/8460

CNN: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7618

Politico: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7524

CNBC: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7710

Here is a list of all the reporters that attended a party in New York City to give reporters broadcast lines just before Hillary announced her candidacy: https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5953

Based on these revelations and many many more I have read, I can conclude that Hillary Clinton and her campaign have been able to formulate an entirely one-sided narrative using almost every single corporate media outlet and newspaper over the last year and a half. This level of collusion is not just corrupt, it is borderline-Soviet style censorship. This sort of suppression of words and people, this preferential treatment, it is tantamount to a propaganda machine; at its core is Hillary. The goal of these organizations is to get her elected, not to report the news, not to investigate claims, not to get to the truth. The American people now have undeniable proof of a scandal that should completely dwarf Watergate, and here I still see people completely taken in by the bait. It's rather depressing that many members of this forum (you know who you are) are willing to elect somebody that would perpetuate the greatest level of corruption and censorship that this country has ever seen. And what is the reason for this collective madness? "Trump said mean things about women". After reading these Wikileaks and learning all you need to know about the Clinton machine, you honestly have to wonder how long it would take to repair this damage. The so-called "Trump tape" scandal is not a scandal. Those tapes were released exactly one hour after the first Podesta leak; not a coincidence. The Washington Post (also colluded with the Clinton Campaign) put that out in order to deflect the REAL scandal that they have been trying to cover up ever since the first leak of evidence to prove it, and the media is now provably gotten their hands shoved into the filth of corruption just to make sure all of you sheep-bait lickers keep your brains locked onto the "real news" (Trump is a sexist racist madman). It is all provably a massive, giant farce that has been perpetuated and many of you forum-goers have took it straight down your throats hook, line and sinker.

And the corruption and censorship is merely one part of this scandal. We now know Hillary has lied over many issues, whereas Trump doesn't "flip flop", he at the very least admits his mistakes and corrects them. The reason the Trump tapes came out is because they have literally nothing else to throw at him. He says mean (and sometimes brutally honest) things about certain individuals years ago, but Hillary has lied, cheated, bullied, and propagandized an entire election; with the hopes of eventually winning it by a rigged proxy. If Hillary wins, she will continue to drive the Republic into the rabbit hole of sterile public opinion, an effectively state-owned media (If the Clintons own the media and they are in the most powerful office of state, the state owns the media), and the inevitable black hole of dystopia will suck the country down into darkness. I would vote for Trump for many reasons, but right now I only need one reason: to clean the house, to start fresh, and stem the act as a temporary pressure valve on any imminent abuse of power which has already taken place with the Clintons.

What will happen on November 8th is quite simple: Brexit 2.0 - Trump will win because the American people will finally wake up from the Clinton matrix and fully realise the error of their gullibility. They will elect him because they know he will remove the stench and filth from the Washington sewer, and turn it into a flawed, but HONEST office. I cannot wait for him to win and for all of butt-hurt to commence with the people that still don't realise they have just had the Republic saved on their behalf.
 
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JJJA said:
I told myself I wouldn't enter the rabbit hole by posting here, but I've seen some pretty vile displays of ignorance and a celebration of righteous indignation that I just have to make my mark before resigning from such a farce.

I have probably read at least twenty, thirty, perhaps up to fifty emails (from the Podesta leaks and the ones before that) that, if were appropriately covered during your average news cycle by the corporate media outlets, would END Hillary's campaign indefinitely.

In the following leak, Hillary is revealed to have deleted the emails herself, despite saying under oath that she did not do such a thing. This could amount to a threat of perjury under law: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4099

Here, the Clinton Campaign's chairman John Podesta expresses his desire for the terror attack perpetrator to have a name that wasn't Arab; this implies a cold attitude towards narrative-control: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11500

The Clinton Campaign's desire to keep the US voting public effectively sterilized in the brain. Quote: "we've all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry."

Hillary's support for TPP, despite her repeatedly saying she doesn't at the debates: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6616

Quote: "she has begun to hate everyday Americans": https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4433

Clinton speech to Goldman Sachs defending the fake plight of bankers and their need for more money: https://wikileaks.com/podesta-emails/emailid/11011#efmA5-A9Y

And here, one (out of many) correspondence with the New York Times: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10423#efmAV1AZy

And now for the final nail in her corrupt coffin. Her campaign has been directly communicating Trump smear strategies with all of the major outlets. Here are some more emails:

Huffington Post quote: "I am committed to make sure she is elected as the next President of United States." - https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5988

Associated Press: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/8460

CNN: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7618

Politico: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7524

CNBC: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7710

Here is a list of all the reporters that attended a party in New York City to give reporters just before Hillary announced her candidacy: https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5953

Based on these revelations and many many more I have read, I can conclude that Hillary Clinton and her campaign have been able to formulate an entirely one-sided narrative using almost every single corporate media outlet and newspaper over the last year and a half. This level of collusion is not just corrupt, it is borderline-Soviet style censorship. This sort of suppression of words and people, this preferential treatment, it is tantamount to a propaganda machine; at its core is Hillary. The goal of these organizations is to get her elected, not to report the news, not to investigate claims, not to get to the truth. The American people now have undeniable proof of a scandal that should completely dwarf Watergate, and here I still see people completely taken in by the bait. It's rather depressing that many members of this forum (you know who you are) are willing to elect somebody that would perpetuate the greatest level of corruption and censorship that this country has ever seen. And what is the reason for this collective madness? "Trump said mean things about women". After reading these Wikileaks and learning all you need to know about the Clinton machine, you honestly have to wonder how long it would take to repair this damage. The so-called "Trump tape" scandal is not a scandal. Those tapes were released exactly one hour after the first Podesta leak; not a coincidence. The Washington Post (also colluded with the Clinton Campaign) put that out in order to deflect the REAL scandal that they have been trying to cover up ever since the first leak of evidence to prove it, and the media is now provably gotten their hands shoved into the filth of corruption just to make sure all of you sheep-bait lickers keep your brains locked onto the "real news" (Trump is a sexist racist madman). It is all provably a massive, giant farce that has been perpetuated and many of you forum-goers have took it straight down your throats hook, line and sinker.

And the corruption and censorship is merely one part of this scandal. We now know Hillary has lied over many issues, whereas Trump doesn't "flip flop", he at the very least admits his mistakes and corrects them. The reason the Trump tapes came out is because they have literally nothing else to throw out him. He says mean (and sometimes brutally honest) things about certain individuals years ago, but Hillary has lied, cheated, bullied, and propagandized an entire election; with the hopes of eventually winning it by a rigged proxy. If Hillary wins, she will continue to drive the Republic into the rabbit hole of sterile public opinion, an effectively state-owned media (If the Clintons own the media and they are in the most powerful office of state, the state owns the media), and the inevitable black hole of dystopia will suck the country down into darkness. I would vote for Trump for many reasons, but right now I only need one reason: to clean the house and start fresh, and to reduce the speech to-which the Republic spirals into a circle of lies and tyranny.

What will happen on November 8th is quite simple: Brexit 2.0 - Trump will win because the American people will finally wake up from the Clinton matrix and fully realise the error of their gullibility. They will elect him because they know he will remove the stench and filth from the Washington sewer, and turn it into a flawed, but HONEST office. I cannot wait for him to win and for all of butt-hurt to commence with the people that still don't realise they have just had the Republic saved on their behalf.
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The reality is that none of this matters because Trump is the GOP nominee.
 
JJJA said:
I told myself I wouldn't enter the rabbit hole by posting here, but I've seen some pretty vile displays of ignorance and a celebration of righteous indignation that I just have to make my mark before resigning from such a farce.

I have probably read at least twenty, thirty, perhaps up to fifty emails (from the Podesta leaks and the ones before that) that, if were appropriately covered during your average news cycle by the corporate media outlets, would END Hillary's campaign indefinitely.

In the following leak, Hillary is revealed to have deleted the emails herself, despite saying under oath that she did not do such a thing. This could amount to a threat of perjury under law: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4099

Here, the Clinton Campaign's chairman John Podesta expresses his desire for the terror attack perpetrator to have a name that wasn't Arab; this implies a cold attitude towards narrative-control: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11500

The Clinton Campaign's desire to keep the US voting public effectively sterilized in the brain. Quote: "we've all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry."

Hillary's support for TPP, despite her repeatedly saying she doesn't at the debates: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6616

Quote: "she has begun to hate everyday Americans": https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4433

Clinton speech to Goldman Sachs defending the fake plight of bankers and their need for more money: https://wikileaks.com/podesta-emails/emailid/11011#efmA5-A9Y

And here, one (out of many) correspondence with the New York Times: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10423#efmAV1AZy

And now for the final nail in her corrupt coffin. Her campaign has been directly communicating Trump smear strategies with all of the major outlets. Here are some more emails:

Huffington Post quote: "I am committed to make sure she is elected as the next President of United States." - https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5988

Associated Press: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/8460

CNN: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7618

Politico: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7524

CNBC: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7710

Here is a list of all the reporters that attended a party in New York City to give reporters just before Hillary announced her candidacy: https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5953

Based on these revelations and many many more I have read, I can conclude that Hillary Clinton and her campaign have been able to formulate an entirely one-sided narrative using almost every single corporate media outlet and newspaper over the last year and a half. This level of collusion is not just corrupt, it is borderline-Soviet style censorship. This sort of suppression of words and people, this preferential treatment, it is tantamount to a propaganda machine; at its core is Hillary. The goal of these organizations is to get her elected, not to report the news, not to investigate claims, not to get to the truth. The American people now have undeniable proof of a scandal that should completely dwarf Watergate, and here I still see people completely taken in by the bait. It's rather depressing that many members of this forum (you know who you are) are willing to elect somebody that would perpetuate the greatest level of corruption and censorship that this country has ever seen. And what is the reason for this collective madness? "Trump said mean things about women". After reading these Wikileaks and learning all you need to know about the Clinton machine, you honestly have to wonder how long it would take to repair this damage. The so-called "Trump tape" scandal is not a scandal. Those tapes were released exactly one hour after the first Podesta leak; not a coincidence. The Washington Post (also colluded with the Clinton Campaign) put that out in order to deflect the REAL scandal that they have been trying to cover up ever since the first leak of evidence to prove it, and the media is now provably gotten their hands shoved into the filth of corruption just to make sure all of you sheep-bait lickers keep your brains locked onto the "real news" (Trump is a sexist racist madman). It is all provably a massive, giant farce that has been perpetuated and many of you forum-goers have took it straight down your throats hook, line and sinker.

And the corruption and censorship is merely one part of this scandal. We now know Hillary has lied over many issues, whereas Trump doesn't "flip flop", he at the very least admits his mistakes and corrects them. The reason the Trump tapes came out is because they have literally nothing else to throw out him. He says mean (and sometimes brutally honest) things about certain individuals years ago, but Hillary has lied, cheated, bullied, and propagandized an entire election; with the hopes of eventually winning it by a rigged proxy. If Hillary wins, she will continue to drive the Republic into the rabbit hole of sterile public opinion, an effectively state-owned media (If the Clintons own the media and they are in the most powerful office of state, the state owns the media), and the inevitable black hole of dystopia will suck the country down into darkness. I would vote for Trump for many reasons, but right now I only need one reason: to clean the house and start fresh, and to reduce the speech to-which the Republic spirals into a circle of lies and tyranny.

What will happen on November 8th is quite simple: Brexit 2.0 - Trump will win because the American people will finally wake up from the Clinton matrix and fully realise the error of their gullibility. They will elect him because they know he will remove the stench and filth from the Washington sewer, and turn it into a flawed, but HONEST office. I cannot wait for him to win and for all of butt-hurt to commence with the people that still don't realise they have just had the Republic saved on their behalf.
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Great post.

CNBC panelist colluding with John Podesta on what to ask Trump when he calls in for an interview: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7710#efmAakAd6AjgAlR
Clinton staff “Placing a story” with Politico / New York Times: “place a story with a friendly journalist” “we have a very good relationship with Maggie Haberman of Politico” “we should shape likely leaks in the best light for HRC” https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7524#efmA14A2IA3AA36A9fA-kA-6BAICwpCx4
HRC Receives questions before debate https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5205
Clinton staff colluding with New York Times and Wall Street Journal to paint Hillary’s economic policies in a “progressive” light: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9007#efmAcTAdS
Podesta getting drafts of NYT articles before they're published https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/844
Podesta being aware of media preparations before they break https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1216
More pre-published NYT articles being passed along for review https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1106
 
I just realized that Donald Trump is the reincarnation of emperor Nero. Take a look for yourself.

Burn, baby, burn. :rage:

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I will be interested to find out how it's rationalized by his supporters if Trump did indeed agree from the beginning to icebreak a weak republican party and hand the election to the democrats. I do wonder if the degree of his success to-date was entirely unexpected, and if that's why he's self-destructing on an ever more grand scale the closer he gets.

As people polarize, I can't say that I'm moved to hear either side implore others to vote for one of those two if we truly care about the country. Not that it's not something worth caring about, but the election itself has shown that floor has already fallen out from under us. It makes me think more about community organization and local politics to effect change from the ground up as opposed to expecting some distant and insulated figurehead to solve all of our problems.

If anything, I feel a million times more guilty about not exploring ways to change this system than I ever would by failing to vote for either of the two major candidates, because neither of them will change any of this. "But it'll be so much worse if you vote for..." is not a valid argument to me.
 
I stand by my post.
I stand in my logical reason for where I will cast my vote.
I do not like any of my choices. Queen Hilliary will sit and collect political memories and probably write a book. Donald needs to go home and forget about it. He will write a book.

Four years. I am not going to pretend that in 4 years a century worth of damaged, out dated, broken down politics will be solved via miracle. I am being logical in my choice not touchy-feely emotionally led. On Facts. Naivety will not fly while making a choice in this election...neither will stupidity.

I am willing to place my bet & bank on the collective Republican party to...as the speaker Ryan has said. Forget the top of the heap, vote on state and local level to anchor a positioning hold on in-action for the leads term by stopping Trump or Hilliary with tied hands. This will give congress and the next presidential candidate (2020-2024 term) a chance to plan for a markedly improved future and void of the showy fucking reality show fluff of "look at me, look at me" currently going on. FuckThat!

I am as patriotic as I can believe.
I am an American.
Most of my family paternal and maternal spilt blood, sweat and tears doing their part to insure freedom, liberty and justice for ALL...country, family and community. I am embarrassed to be an American teaching others what it means to be an American.

'Americanism is an ideology or belief in devotion, loyalty, or allegiance to the United States of America
or to its flag, traditions, customs, culture, symbols, institutions, or form of government.[2]'--bullshit This is being forgotten! Any builder knows without a firm foundation your house will crumble and you will be fucking homeless!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americanism_(ideology)
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Sloe Djinn said:
It makes me think more about community organization and local politics to effect change from the ground up as opposed to expecting some distant and insulated figurehead to solve all of our problems.
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I agree with this!
And I have started as town cryer in my town's streets...open your eyes and ears. Washington is not Hollywood, Your life is not a game show, reality show or e-game...stop sleep walking in complacency, step up and vote toward the future, Your future, and your children's future.
Do Some Thing besides bitching...change starts with you.
The forefathers who began the United Stated of America did it why?? No answer? Can't answer?
...go fucking find out! c-y'all
 
Sandie33 said:
Washington is not Hollywood, Your life is not a game show, reality show or e-game...stop sleep walking in complacency, step up and vote toward the future, Your future, and your children's future.
Do Some Thing besides bitching...change starts with you.
The forefathers who began the United Stated of America did it why?? No answer? Can't answer?
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Love what you wrote here - very passionate plea...made me think of this quote:

"Now more than ever before, the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave and pure, it is because the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national legislature ... If the next centennial does not find us a great nation...it will be because those who represent the enterprise, the culture, and the morality of the nation do not aid in controlling the political forces." James Garfield, 1877 (20th President of the US).
 
Isabella said:
Love what you wrote here - very passionate plea...made me think of this quote:

"Now more than ever before, the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave and pure, it is because the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national legislature ... If the next centennial does not find us a great nation...it will be because those who represent the enterprise, the culture, and the morality of the nation do not aid in controlling the political forces." James Garfield, 1877 (20th President of the US).
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Spot on dear one...Spot on! :sunglasses: Your quote exemplifies my point. Thank you.
 
In what may be the first official retaliation against Julian Assange and Wikileaks since the organization started disseminating the hacked Podesta emails, this morning WikiLeaks announced it has "activated contingency" plans after Assange's internet link was intentionally cut off by a state party, WikiLeaks has said in a tweet.

Julian Assange's internet link has been intentionally severed by a state party. We have activated the appropriate contingency plans.

— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) October 17, 2016

There was little actual detail, aside from a subsequent tweet in which WikiLeaks called on the public to support it by donating.

Previously on Sunday, there was concern about Assange's well-being when Wikileaks tweeted out what some suggested were the "dead man keys" that are allegedly the encryption codes for highly damaging secret documents to be uneviled in the case of Assange's death.

pre-commitment 1: John Kerry 4bb96075acadc3d80b5ac872874c3037a386f4f595fe99e687439aabd0219809

— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) October 16, 2016

pre-commitment 2: Ecuador
eae5c9b064ed649ba468f0800abf8b56ae5cfe355b93b1ce90a1b92a48a9ab72

— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) October 16, 2016

pre-commitment 3: UK FCO f33a6de5c627e3270ed3e02f62cd0c857467a780cf6123d2172d80d02a072f74

— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) October 16, 2016

These may have been the "contingency plans" referred to in the subsequent Wiki tweet.

Even former outspoken Trump advisor Roger Stone got involved tweeting that "John Kerry has threatened the Ecuadorian President with "grave consequences for Equador" if Assange is not silenced" adding that "Reports the Brits storm the Ecuadorian Embassy tonite while Kerry demands the UK revoke their diplomatic status so Assange can be seized."

John Kerry has threatened the Ecuadorian President with "grave consequences for Equador" if Assange is not silenced @StoneColdTruth

— Roger Stone (@RogerJStoneJr) October 17, 2016

Reports the Brits storm the Ecuadorian Embassy tonite while Kerry demands the UK revoke their diplomatic status so Assange can be seized

— Roger Stone (@RogerJStoneJr) October 17, 2016

So far this appears to be just wild speculation. The latest news in the Assange saga comes as WikiLeaks continues to release on a daily basis hacked emails from Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager John Podesta, which could ruin Clinton’s chances of becoming the next US president. Clinton’s campaign has suggested that WikiLeaks is working together with the Russian government to help defeat them in favor of Trump. The latest, 9th, batch comes amid revelations of Clinton’s cozy relationship with the mainstream media, and how they work closely to control the media landscape and set up stories that show her in a favorable light. Earlier this month, it emerged that Hillary Clinton reportedly wanted to “drone” WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange when she was the US secretary of state.

So far there had been no intervention by outside entities to attempt to silence Julian Assange, so the latest intervention "by a state party", if confirmed would be a notable escalation in the status quo, and suggests that Wikileaks may have even more damaging revelations to come.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...fter-unknown-state-party-cuts-julian-assanges


Julian Assange is experiencing problems. This will not stop Wikileaks though. Julian's greatest problem right now is likely finding a handkerchief to blow his nose. :m192:

I am looking forward to future leaks.
 
Sandie33 said:
'Americanism is an ideology or belief in devotion, loyalty, or allegiance to the United States of America
or to its flag, traditions, customs, culture, symbols, institutions, or form of government.[2]'--bullshit This is being forgotten! Any builder knows without a firm foundation your house will crumble and you will be fucking homeless!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americanism_(ideology)
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Do you believe in "American Exceptionalism" this idea that America is unique and somehow better than the rest of the countries in the world? Can you accept what Obama said " I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism. I’m enormously proud of my country and its role and history in the world."
 
brightmoon said:
Do you believe in "American Exceptionalism" this idea that America is unique and somehow better than the rest of the countries in the world? Can you accept what Obama said " I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism. I’m enormously proud of my country and its role and history in the world."
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brightmoon said:
Do you believe in "American Exceptionalism" this idea that America is unique and somehow better than the rest of the countries in the world?
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In this context no. I do not hold myself personally above or below any...and I mean ANY human on this planet.
brightmoon said:
Can you accept what Obama said " I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism. I’m enormously proud of my country and its role and history in the world."
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In this context, unless I am misunderstanding the term exceptionalism, then Yes.
Because I would hope each countrymen would be a patriot of his/her country.
Current affairs has me embarrassed at the jack-assery that the current Presidential candidates are involving the US citizens in. I remain a patriot to my country and it's creed and values...I do not support either of those clowns.
 
The Podesta email hack and subsequent leak is chilling in many regards. It has not deterred me from voting Democratic this election but it has reinforced the notion that the party's leadership is more concerned with attaining and maintaining power then it is with serving the interests of the party membership.

More importantly, I feel my defense of the party, its candidate, and my attacks on the GOP and its candidate is only serving to disturb my fellow forumeers. I will vote and continue to volunteer to get out the vote as I see no other viable alternative at this point.

Cheers.
 
JJJA said:
I told myself I wouldn't enter the rabbit hole by posting here, but I've seen some pretty vile displays of ignorance and a celebration of righteous indignation that I just have to make my mark before resigning from such a farce.

I have probably read at least twenty, thirty, perhaps up to fifty emails (from the Podesta leaks and the ones before that) that, if were appropriately covered during your average news cycle by the corporate media outlets, would END Hillary's campaign indefinitely.

In the following leak, Hillary is revealed to have deleted the emails herself, despite saying under oath that she did not do such a thing. This could amount to a threat of perjury under law: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4099

Here, the Clinton Campaign's chairman John Podesta expresses his desire for the terror attack perpetrator to have a name that wasn't Arab; this implies a cold attitude towards narrative-control: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11500

The Clinton Campaign's desire to keep the US voting public effectively sterilized in the brain. Quote: "we've all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry." - https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3599

Hillary's support for TPP, despite her repeatedly saying she doesn't at the debates: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6616

Quote: "she has begun to hate everyday Americans": https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4433

Clinton speech to Goldman Sachs defending the fake plight of bankers and their need for more money: https://wikileaks.com/podesta-emails/emailid/11011#efmA5-A9Y

And here, one (out of many) correspondence with the New York Times: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10423#efmAV1AZy

And now for the final nail in her corrupt coffin. Her campaign has been directly communicating Trump smear strategies with all of the major outlets. Here are some more emails:

Huffington Post quote: "I am committed to make sure she is elected as the next President of United States." - https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5988

Associated Press: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/8460

CNN: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7618

Politico: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7524

CNBC: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7710

Here is a list of all the reporters that attended a party in New York City to give reporters broadcast lines just before Hillary announced her candidacy: https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5953

Based on these revelations and many many more I have read, I can conclude that Hillary Clinton and her campaign have been able to formulate an entirely one-sided narrative using almost every single corporate media outlet and newspaper over the last year and a half. This level of collusion is not just corrupt, it is borderline-Soviet style censorship. This sort of suppression of words and people, this preferential treatment, it is tantamount to a propaganda machine; at its core is Hillary. The goal of these organizations is to get her elected, not to report the news, not to investigate claims, not to get to the truth. The American people now have undeniable proof of a scandal that should completely dwarf Watergate, and here I still see people completely taken in by the bait. It's rather depressing that many members of this forum (you know who you are) are willing to elect somebody that would perpetuate the greatest level of corruption and censorship that this country has ever seen. And what is the reason for this collective madness? "Trump said mean things about women". After reading these Wikileaks and learning all you need to know about the Clinton machine, you honestly have to wonder how long it would take to repair this damage. The so-called "Trump tape" scandal is not a scandal. Those tapes were released exactly one hour after the first Podesta leak; not a coincidence. The Washington Post (also colluded with the Clinton Campaign) put that out in order to deflect the REAL scandal that they have been trying to cover up ever since the first leak of evidence to prove it, and the media is now provably gotten their hands shoved into the filth of corruption just to make sure all of you sheep-bait lickers keep your brains locked onto the "real news" (Trump is a sexist racist madman). It is all provably a massive, giant farce that has been perpetuated and many of you forum-goers have took it straight down your throats hook, line and sinker.

And the corruption and censorship is merely one part of this scandal. We now know Hillary has lied over many issues, whereas Trump doesn't "flip flop", he at the very least admits his mistakes and corrects them. The reason the Trump tapes came out is because they have literally nothing else to throw at him. He says mean (and sometimes brutally honest) things about certain individuals years ago, but Hillary has lied, cheated, bullied, and propagandized an entire election; with the hopes of eventually winning it by a rigged proxy. If Hillary wins, she will continue to drive the Republic into the rabbit hole of sterile public opinion, an effectively state-owned media (If the Clintons own the media and they are in the most powerful office of state, the state owns the media), and the inevitable black hole of dystopia will suck the country down into darkness. I would vote for Trump for many reasons, but right now I only need one reason: to clean the house, to start fresh, and stem the act as a temporary pressure valve on any imminent abuse of power which has already taken place with the Clintons.

What will happen on November 8th is quite simple: Brexit 2.0 - Trump will win because the American people will finally wake up from the Clinton matrix and fully realise the error of their gullibility. They will elect him because they know he will remove the stench and filth from the Washington sewer, and turn it into a flawed, but HONEST office. I cannot wait for him to win and for all of butt-hurt to commence with the people that still don't realise they have just had the Republic saved on their behalf.
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Wishful thinking on your behalf. I have been saying for months that Hillary will be the next president. You honestly believe that a Trump administration would usher in a new era of honesty and transparency? I think Romney could beat Hillary. But Donald? He is toast. For the record I do not support anyone running for president. It is just becoming frustrating when people say that one of the two candidates is more honest than the other. They are both pathological liars. The biggest difference in my mind is that Hillary is pretty articulate. Donald is not.
 
I see neither of them ushering in peace between nations.
One to overtly increase fighting, one to covertly increase it.
When the people of a country are happy they tend to re elect the same president, without much civil unrest.
Propaganda aside...Which countries do we see this?? and why? What is really going on? What propaganda are we being fed?
 
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