[INFJ] Did anyone ever stumble across a complete plan to save the world?

I guess in the meantime you better understand why I made this thread.

I just stumbled across this site, I am not saying that they have a full plan, but at least they explain a few things:
https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/

We have two choices - either we make our own plan how to get out of this situation, or we will be victims of theirs ("Great Reset").

If we dont make a plan ("business as usual"), thats also a choice - the result will then probably be what is predicted here:

(Btw we do not know YET what they are exactly doing or planning with the "vaccination", could be sterilization, could be genocide, could be a hybrid weapon system (5G + "vaccinations"), could be "just" a transponder (CoVID - aka Coronavirus Vaccination ID, aka "compliance ID" to identify the "faithful and "good" sheep"), could be a more sophisticated control system (antenna that can make people react to external electromagnetic stimulus for example by 5G towers), perhaps it is a system that reacts to blue light ("optogenetics"), or it is a mixture of all these things. Currently, they might "just" doing "dosage tests" to determine the "correct dosage" for whatever they are trying to do)

They made a simulation in 1972 called "limits to growth" in 1972 (there is a book about it), most simulation runs predicted end of mankind (collapse) around 2040.

Interesting isnt it that the Agenda 2030 is supposed to be finalized by 2030. 10 Years are most likely a security margin.

It seems most people do not realize that most of us - except the very old perhaps - are currently in a life or death situation.

We have a far, far, far bigger problem than a small virus with a survival rate of 99,9something percent.

We know their overall plans quite well, it seems that they want to make a worldwide digital gulag combined with a social credit system like in China, probably combined with massive depopulation (and/or sterilization, we do not know yet).

If we dont want to go along with this, we must make a better plan.

I am talking about a complete plan how to turn around the world completely and solve the problems. Not the average "use less plastics" recommendation.

THEY have a plan, at least. You have to give them that. It is a dystopian plan that will put us all into a digital gulag and in total slavery, but yes, it might save the planet. From us.
 
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puzzledheart said:
I guess in the meantime you better understand why I made this thread.

I just stumbled across this site, I am not saying that they have a full plan, but at least they explain a few things:
https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/

We have two choices - either we make our own plan how to get out of this situation, or we will be victims of theirs ("Great Reset").

If we dont make a plan ("business as usual"), thats also a choice - the result will then probably be what is predicted here:

(Btw we do not know YET what they are exactly doing or planning with the "vaccination", could be sterilization, could be genocide, could be a hybrid weapon system (5G + "vaccinations"), could be "just" a transponder (CoVID - aka Coronavirus Vaccination ID, aka "compliance ID" to identify the "faithful and "good" sheep"), could be a more sophisticated control system (antenna that can make people react to external electromagnetic stimulus for example by 5G towers), perhaps it is a system that reacts to blue light ("optogenetics"), or it is a mixture of all these things. Currently, they might "just" doing "dosage tests" to determine the "correct dosage" for whatever they are trying to do)

They made a simulation in 1972 called "limits to growth" in 1972 (there is a book about it), most simulation runs predicted end of mankind (collapse) around 2040.

Interesting isnt it that the Agenda 2030 is supposed to be finalized by 2030. 10 Years are most likely a security margin.

It seems most people do not realize that most of us - except the very old perhaps - are currently in a life or death situation.

We have a far, far, far bigger problem than a small virus with a survival rate of 99,9something percent.

We know their overall plans quite well, it seems that they want to make a worldwide digital gulag combined with a social credit system like in China, probably combined with massive depopulation (and/or sterilization, we do not know yet).

If we dont want to go along with this, we must make a better plan.

I am talking about a complete plan how to turn around the world completely and solve the problems. Not the average "use less plastics" recommendation.

THEY have a plan, at least. You have to give them that. It is a dystopian plan that will put us all into a digital gulag and in total slavery, but yes, it might save the planet. From us.
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While I agree the world is messed up, I think you may be looking at it in a slightly incorrect way (just my opinion of course).
I think you will find that this is all part of human evolution, I don't like using the word "soul" but some have referred to it as the evolution of the soul or evolution of consciousness may be another way of putting it. I think you will find that behind all the negative aspect to the world there is just one ever present consciousness that is more or less just experienced as peace. It's good to keep yourself kind of grounded in the underlying reality. Meditation is a good way to see that everything is and always will be fine looking from the inside...rather than looking at the outside for truth or direction.
 
It is utterly inevitable that the world will become uninhabitable, and that humans will go extinct.

The world bit will take hundreds of millions of years to flop. Humans may take decades, centuries, or millenia to go extinct, but it will happen, and the last few generations of humans will unavoidably not have a pleasant time.

Instead of obsessing over whether it should happen soon, or far in the future, I think we should focus on being the best we can day to day. Is it really worth our species being around for a fraction longer, if life will just consist being utterly restricted?

To me it's better to let tigers go extinct, than to preserve the species in captivity, because it is a worse fate to live a long life in a cage, than to live a short life as one should.

In summary, the world and humans cannot be saved, humans' existence can only be prolonged. Being overzealous in prolonging the existence of humans is ultimately inhuman.
 
Save yourself, save the world.
Or just make it suck less, at minimum.
 
leave the world saving to the wizards
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I can't wait to see the majority of the world's population die off. Something about walking through near-empty cities and towns at the beginning of the pandemic really got me hooked. Oh my, and the queues for restaurants and TRAFFIC will be so reduced uwu
This is an introvert's dream tbh, how do I join this club
 
@all
Thanks for your input so far!

@aeon
Thanks, but I dont see what is wrong with Tucows, I think it is just a domain registrar. There are a few things at stopworldcontrol.com which are probably hype or doubtful, coming from various "not so credible sources", but overall I would say the information is about 90 - 95% correct.
 
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Ah yes, the communist paradise. I would not consider this to be a complete plan. It is an accurate description of various capitalistic and sociatal problems, yes. Still, Mr. Marx somehow created the biggest piles of corpses in the history of mankind (because he inspired nice people like Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot etc.). Such things clearly violate local air pollution control, and I would never endorse anyone to break the law ;-)

P.S.: Hitlers piles were small compared to these guys, just if anyone wonders why I did not mention him. BTW it was national SOCIALISM. But big parts of the European people had faith, so I guess this prevented a lot. Mao and co. proved it could have been much, much worse.
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Are you conflating socialism with communism or authoritarian regimes? There has never been a true socialist state and I’m not saying that I’d in any was an ideal. Democratic pluralism and a mixed economy is the best we have ever had.
 
I’ve got a book called Alternate World by a Nares Craig. I’ve not read it, and I’m sure there are other, similar books with grand schemes.

Any world plan imo has to start in the west, and it has to embrace Democratic pluralism to avoid plutocracy or technocratic neoliberalism or demagogic populism. That’s a good start. Then the west could justify, once United, taking on all the corrupt theocracies in the Middle East and Russia and then China. End. Lolz
 
This is so INFJ. Many years ago before I knew anything about typology, I wanted to write such a work but felt I didn’t know enough to do it, and the task just seemed overwhelming. Many years later, lots of life experiences and thinking and reading, with a home library full of great books I am now working on it. It’s exciting and scary but I don’t feel intellectually overwhelmed. I just care so much for good people and I hate to see them suffer. To help make things better is my greatest wish for this project and life in general. So many good books have been written in recent years. I salute the authors and want to tie their great works together in a powerful work which can counter the disgusting recent culture of selfishness and greed and hypocrisy. I feel there is a great sadness in many people which needs to be heard. I’m feeling quite emotional as I wrote this. The good people need to come together in our divided societies and get the recognition they deserve.
 
One thing is for sure, if we want a better future, we must write it first.
This is exactly what "they" do / did - see the books "The Great Reset" and "The Great Narrative" by Klaus Schwab and Thierry Malleret.
Now you can argue if their plan will bring about a "better" future or not, but without putting it down first, there is no chance of ever realizing anything, so this question does not even matter if one does not put it down first (in writing, preferrably ;-)).
And so they have put it down.
Now of course most people cannot create such a plan, as most people are not able to think straight, to say it bluntly, not even regarding their own, "small", "simple" matters.
So this is not a competition in democracy or something as you could probably have billions of people try to write or create such a plan (for example by giving them money, as this would perhaps be the only reason why any "average person" would try such a thing) and they would, for the most part, generate completely unrealistic and worthless mumbojumbo and recipes for desaster. The mere thought of trying something like that with the average population is amusing, I think this would probably lead to the biggest waste of paper in human history.
(it could however be that there are some useful ideas in the sheer volume of material, but I guess you would need a machine to find it because who should read all that, without becoming crazy btw. And the reader who is supposed to read all this is supposed to be more intelligent than the average person, or lets say more wise, to even determine if there are any good ideas in there...)
Most people are IMHO totally incapable of creating a plan like this, as all this revolves around grand societal problems, which most people never spend a minute in their lives thinking about anyways.
It "is not their topic" so to speak and they are not interested in doing something like that.
Most people are IMHO solely motivated by MATERIAL thoughts / things, NEVER by IDEALISTIC thoughts. "Idealistic thoughts" are not something most people EVER think about in their lives IMHO.
Most people want MATERIAL gain and MATERIAL GAIN ONLY, thats what motivates them.
If they cannot "gain something", aka some material gain from it, they wont even contemplate doing or even thinking something that remotely goes in this direction.
And if there is something THE AVERAGE PERSON (aka most people) is NOT interested in, it is the truth. See 2020 - 2022 (so far).
The average person is completely immune to "general truths" but on the other hand extremely interested in "individual truth", for example gossip about some celebrity (lol).
Well I guess I am trying to say that you could compare the average person to a (dumb) prison inmate.
At least that seems to be "their" (Schwabs etc.) core assumption regarding the average person and thats what they based their plan upon as far as I can see.
And "they" might be right in this assessment of the average person.
The question is not what we want to be true but what is true.
Who is the average person?
Just take a good look at the average person, lol. I am just loling.
Now how do you want to control someone like that, even if you had the BEST intentions (for example if you are motivated solely to preserve the planet etc.)??? For example force these people to "behave more environmentally friendly" (as you will have to force the average person, I guess this is very clear...)
Good luck.
Think about it.
And I think if you think this problem through from all sides you will suddenly miraculously find yourself in the tracks of the Great Reset creators.
I am saying in the tracks, which does not mean that I think that the entire railway track which was outlined by them is a good idea. I think that their "tracks" will in the end probably lead to dystopian society like 1984 or something.
And it might even fail - which will lead to "suboptimal consequences" if their (the great reset makers) malthusian predictions are correct.
Bang, post reply. (time, time, time)
 
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Yes I too believe in the power of books written by intelligent, good people. They tend to be much more reliable than experts, which is a great weakness of a technocracy. I think this is Te thinking: not seeing the underlying way things work.

As for the lack of interest of many in wider issues, I think at least some of this is because they know they cannot formulate useful answers. But I believe if the bright people can simplify things and encourage the rest to support them, then there is great potential in this. It is partly our very divided society which has caused divisions which amplify the differences between elite opinions and those of the masses. Like Brexit in U.K. A majority of the establishment supported Remain, largely because they live very different lives to the rest. The assumption of a meritocracy and general progress has blinded them. Policies often affect different groups in very different ways.
 
I have never seen such a plan, and I don't think that anyone has, because if such a plan did exist, then it given that the vast majority of people stand to benefit from a plan to save the world, it would be self-evident to any reader that this plan is what we need to do right now, and the plan would already have gone viral and been implemented by now.

Yes, this rules out The Communist Manifesto. Marx had some profound ideas, but if he had struck on a perfect and complete plan to save the world, then you'd think in 170+ years it would have gained a bit of headway.

I propose a more interesting question: Is it possible for the object described in the OP to exist at all?

In my view, people can't even agree about basic facts about nature, so it seems unlikely that you are going to stumble upon a plan for saving the world that is both effective and realistic (not that "realistic" includes, at a minimum, that the plan has a way of mobilizing people behind the plan's implementation, e.g. by agreeing with it).
 
I just read a succession of articles which you might want to look into:
https://iceni.substack.com/p/covid-19-deep-dive-part-vii-smart
I think this is for the most part correct, except the part where he claims that there is no malthusian trap or something...IMHO the problem is not the sheer number of people, as even far larger numbers can, as he IMHO correctly says, theoretically be sustained for example by improved agricultural techniques, scientific advancements, improved building techniques etc. etc., but the problem is the ecological destruction that almost inevitably comes along with it. Every person needs resources and to get these resources or make products from them is connected to environmental destruction which you cannot prevent 100%, unless you completely control production and consumption (aka the consumers choices and the producer side) and force the producers to produce as environmentally friendly as possible and recycle etc. = (capitalistic) socialism (like in China nowadays). Thats a part of what they are trying to do with the "Great Reset" IMHO, aka "forced environmentalism" or how you want to call it, of course their environmental protection measures only serve to save themselves from destruction, as they would die too if the world would end in an apocalyptic environmental desaster and for Gods sake, I am not talking about "Global Warming" here, which is IMHO just a front, aka a psychological operation on the masses, but I am talking about the REAL environmental problems. The REAL environmental problems are not menacing enough to scare the public, they are furthermore too complicated for the average person to really understand, and there are too many of these "complicated environmental problems" (too "scattered") etc. etc., so they know that this cannot be used to coerce and manipulate the masses, therefore they concentrate on "global warming" and "pandemics" which are easy enough to understand even for the dumbest average person (thats a very important cornerstone of any propaganda, even the dumbest average person must be able to understand it / relate to).
Then you might want to read
https://stopworldcontrol.com/wave/
I dont fully agree with this positive outlook as well as free will plays a role here and the average person is completely immune to truth, thats probably the most striking thing about the average person in the whole course of history, that they are absolutely impenetrable regarding the truth. They dont want to hear it and cannot tolerate it. If they have the choice between Jesus und Barabbas they will ALWAYS pick Barabbas. The simplest choice in the world and they still cant do it. So, if people willingly accept the new "new normal" tyranny this is what they will get as evil must play itself out to the fullest if people prefer to see that.
This does not mean that the "good ones" are not being protected "from above".
It just means that all this probably wont simply solve itself the way as the author of the above mentioned article hopes. I mean, lol, of course I hope that he is right, but I fear that is not how things are going to turn out, at least not in the short run. In the long run, yes, but I fear we have "some interesting years" in front of us. Thats an old chinese curse btw, lol, "may you live in interesting years" (or times), at least as far as I remember (more or less clearly).
And then watch this interview, which I think goes right to the heart of the matter:
So, for starting this thread, I must be schizoid for the sheer idea of suggesting to devise a plan to improve the world / mankind :-D. BTW, what I mean by "improve" in regards to "mankind" is, for the most part, forcing them to be "artificially good", because this is IMHO all that you can achieve here, on this world, as long as the masses are what they probably are. Imagine taking away law and order, just as the BLM terrorist hordes suggest. Then you will most likely see Dantes Inferno (you got a small glimpse of that from the recent BLM terror riots in the US). Thats what the unleashed masses are and what they do if they would can. "The veil of civilization is very thin". Forcing them to become "good" does not mean that they miraculously become good, as they will "break out of being (seemingly) good" in the first moment they can or see any chance to do it. So, for example Mr. average "I am all for materialistic gain" guy will groan when he has to correctly dispose some old motor oil instead of being able to let it "disappear" somewhere to save a few bucks (I dont know if correctly disposing motor oil costs anything in the US, aka for the car owner etc., so this might be a bad example), but he (or she, equality, equality ;-)) WILL do it (aka correctly dispose of it) if he/she does not see a way to do the latter without being caught / punished / shamed etc., just like he/she WILL "let it disappear" if he/she sees a chance to do it to save a few bucks. So, you have to have enough control to force him/her to correctly dispose it. Now imagine the amount of control you would need to prevent Mr./M(r)s. Asshole (sorry ;-)) to just walk into the woods and pour it out at some remote location. And that amount of control is the amount of control they want to get, as they want to reduce environmental impact to near zero. Thats btw why they want us in Mega Cities - you cant go into the woods there, or lets say only into an artificial wood like in New York Central Park or something. And this wood is probably within the "control system", so Mr./M(r)s. Asshole is going to get caught. And there are 999999999999999999 Mr./M(r)s. Assholes. I did not count that through though, I just hit some 9s btw..
Etc. etc. I am going for a walk, lol.

Oh and thanks for all the input you gave me so far, I will think about it. Currently, my own thoughts are overwhelming enough ;-)
 
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There is no such thing in terms of practicality. I'm sure that people have written their ideas and theories but I would classify it more of a circle jerk in utopian theory designed to give people a sense of security in the sheer simplicity they are using to make their assessments.

Every problem we "solve" creates a handful more of problems and that's the nature of life itself. This idea that if we think hard enough or invent the right technology we can abolish suffering and problems is the remnants of childhood innocence, the refusal to look at reality, the desire to create fantasies and get lost in a world where things can be better, things can be perfect! Oh how lovely! Oh how wonderful! Why accept the hard truths when we can just fashion a beautiful story that we all want to believe in that makes us feel better? Yes, when this happens, everything will be solved and we can all finally be happy.

Instead of looking for a utopia, it might be a better investment of time and energy to accept that there will always be problems, when we fix one we create even more problems, and the point of being alive is not to avoid or eliminate problems but to enjoy solving them, enjoy the process, appreciate the reality that we can never be rid of them and that we are not Gods, we are not in control of anything, and the world will end in spite of how smart we think we are.
 
uuu said:
I have never seen such a plan, and I don't think that anyone has, because if such a plan did exist, then it given that the vast majority of people stand to benefit from a plan to save the world, it would be self-evident to any reader that this plan is what we need to do right now, and the plan would already have gone viral and been implemented by now.

Yes, this rules out The Communist Manifesto. Marx had some profound ideas, but if he had struck on a perfect and complete plan to save the world, then you'd think in 170+ years it would have gained a bit of headway.

I propose a more interesting question: Is it possible for the object described in the OP to exist at all?

In my view, people can't even agree about basic facts about nature, so it seems unlikely that you are going to stumble upon a plan for saving the world that is both effective and realistic (not that "realistic" includes, at a minimum, that the plan has a way of mobilizing people behind the plan's implementation, e.g. by agreeing with it).
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Just challenging your assumption that “if such a plan existed it would have been implemented already”

Many, many, many sensible plans are rejected for reasons other than they are a bad idea. Not whole world utopian plans though. The problems within one country are complex enough, when you include the world it becomes very complex. My belief is we should first focus on the developed west, stop exploiting other countries and get our own houses in order. That would be a radical change in itself. Also, people need to gain power back from the elites who generally run the show mainly for their own benefit.
 
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