Gun Control and the Second Amendment

Yeah I don't see it as the banking families trying to take over the world either. I don't think they have as much influence over the United States as muir thinks they do. Even in Money Masters (a film @muir recommended to me) the narrator points out that power is much more decentralized and the world isn't run by a handful of families anymore.

No the world isn't run by those families but the neo-liberal club of countries is

As citizens in those countries we need to decide how we want our society structured. Do we want to give away ALL power to an increasingly centralised form of government or do we want to have a say in the running of our communities....its that simple

If we keep giving away power to the centralised corporate forces we will be no more than slaves to them
 
Don't know who Alex Jones is. But it's been like this for thousands of years.

Yes people have been speaking out against certain behaviours for centuries because the same currents (mindsets) have been running through humanity and shaping things from behind the scenes for centuries....they are the undercurrents of history and the two main streams are matter v's spirit

Those currents run through both jews and non jews
 
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Sigh. Well, I'll just pipe up and say that guns are very, very, VERY easy to get in the US and if anyone is actually staging a "gun grab" they've got one hell of a challenge cut out for them. I would not personally mind some more restrictive laws around gun ownership, but the only problem I see with that is I doubt those laws would work anyway, because I know people who own guns illegally. Also, I know plenty of people who probably shouldn't have ever been able to purchase a gun but did so quite easily. I'll tell you about two of them.

First was a young woman I knew who was being treated for bipolar disorder, and there was some possibility she was also schizophrenic. She certainly was suicidal; she had been suicidal and had attempted suicide on two previous occasions. She walked into a Bass Pro Shop and obtained a gun easily, and the day she got it, she killed herself with it. There is a fine line between someone who will kill herself and someone who will kill others, and I see no way to know the difference, but I know with absolute certainty that people with debilitating mental illness can and do obtain guns easily. I do not understand why someone who is being actively being treated for severe mental illness, as both the Sandy Hook and Aurora shooters had been, and who had two previous suicide attempts on record, was able to get a gun so easily. I see no reason why it should be that easy. But it was, and now she's dead.

Secondly, I had an elderly relative who owned a gun that was illegal. It was some kind of sawed-off shotgun thing (I don't know exactly) that had been banned ages ago. She had macular degeneration, drank heavily, and had a deep-seated paranoia that people were trying to break in her house and steal her china, and she lived alone and felt she needed protection. Believe me, you did NOT want to approach her house unannounced. We had no idea the thing was illegal, but when she died, we discovered it had been made illegal in about 1960, but no way was she going to give it up. You would have gotten a $250,000 fine if you had been caught with that weapon, but a little old 5' 1" mostly blind lady still had hers. So I don't see how anyone is going to succeed in taking away people's weapons.

That's not even counting the various hunters I know, who for the most part, are quite responsible and sane -- and have lots of guns.

Moral of the story is there are plenty of heavily armed people who really really REALLY shouldn't have guns and I don't think they're going to go away anytime soon.

(Come to think of it, I bet a few of them are on this forum.)

Just out of curiosity do you have a religious or cultural background and if so do you mind telling me what it is?
 
There are even Jewish people who live in Israel that do not recognize Israel as a state

These guys are just a group of fanatic leeches who live here, get social security, never work, and spawn 15 kids, throw them into a corner, and get more social security for each kid they have. They're just a joke.

I'll watch the videos later, i'm not in the mood for idiots atm (not you, the guys in the videos)
 
The murder rates all over the US have been declining over the past 20 years, but to me it seems pretty obvious that more guns means more mass shootings, and more murders over all. Guns don't kill people, okay… but they definitely make it a lot easier. And some of the guns they're talking about banning honestly don't have many other practical purposes. You're not going to go hunting with a semi-automatic assault rifle.

I don't think anyone here has any delusions about the purpose of a firearm. I, certainly, am very well aware of the fact that a firearm is a weapon and its exress purpose is to kill other human beings. With that in mind, many people use AR-15s and other semi-automatic carbines as home and property defense weapons, and for that purpose they are essentially unrivaled in terms of efficacy and controllability.

This isn't even an all-or-nothing situation… worst case scenario the US becomes more like Canada, where the gun laws aren't even restrictive so much as sane.
I'd be totally alright with this, except for their ban on suppressors, regular-capacity magazines, long-barrel pistols, and sub-18" rifles. Also their goofy transportation/storage laws.
Come to think of it, Canada has a lot of really bizarre regulations on firearms such that, if one were to follow all of them to the letter, it would be impossible for one to use them in a defensive situation.
 
Why do you think there has been bad feeling towards jews? There have been reasons for it a lot of the time relating to the issue of banking

Lol there were so many mass murders and pogroms against jews way before the concept of banking even existed...

It's just racism against a minority who is (or rather was) powerless... Just like gypsies and homosexuals, and black people.
 
Yes people have been speaking out against certain behaviours for centuries because the same currents (mindsets) have been running through humanity and shaping things from behind the scenes for centuries....they are the undercurrents of history and the two main streams are matter v's spirit

Let's end this debate here. You are making me feel like you're pushing my inner animal against a wall. I don't want any part of this conversation any more. Let's get this discussion back on gun laws in the US please.
 
Here's another completely different reason for Gun Control laws - they will make some British/European humor/drama seem less enjoyable to us Americans. I've watched "Snatch" with my US friends and we found it... mildly entertaining. I've talked about it with a couple different British co-workers and they thought it was hysterical. The difference being, we're used to guns being present on nearly every street corner in this country, while a lot of other countries make them rare to find/obtain.

When a character in a British show is shown with a gun, it's supposed to be some monumental revelation about them. Us Americans though, just kind of shrug it off and wait for them to actually use it; any dramatic atmosphere just kind of gets watered down.

(By the way "NSFW" alert)

[video=youtube_share;uR5jufwSqm8]http://youtu.be/uR5jufwSqm8[/video]
 
When a character in a British show is shown with a gun, it's supposed to be some monumental revelation about them. Us Americans though, just kind of shrug it off and wait for them to actually use it; any dramatic atmosphere just kind of gets watered down.

Sounds like a Lerxst thing, not an American thing.

e: Seriously, Snatch is a great movie. An inability to understand characterization and a difference in gun culture are two different things and the latter in no way affects the former, especially when it comes to the differences between British movies and American movies.
 
If I knew my weird neighbour had a gun I'd feel very nervous. It all sums it up for me. That and a fact that he could theoretically kill more people in a shorter period of time with a gun than he'd ever try to do so with a knife. But my views are, perhaps, weird to some because I'm not used to guns other than seeing it on telly :redface: My grandfather had a gun but he never used it for hunting, he never used it for anything and it was never loaded. Everything we ever had was an axe and a knife... primitives.

P.S.
I like Snatch too.
 
Gun Control can be summed up in this one question - Would you want this man, if he were out of prison, to be free to own a gun?

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If your answer is "yes", then might I suggest carving off a chunk of Idaho for your newly formed country? Chances are, 99% of you will say "no", however... even some card-carrying members of the NRA, I'm sure. In that case, congratulations, you're in favor of Gun Control (you damned Socialist, Commie pigs)!

So, that being said, WTF is the hold up on actually enacting any sort of Gun Control program in this country and why has it taken large-scale massacres to budge even an inch?
 
Gun Control can be summed up in this one question - Would you want this man, if he were out of prison, to be free to own a gun?

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Irrelevant. Convicted felons are prohibited by federal law from possessing firearms.

Wait, is that supposed to be some kind of argument for or against something?
 
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The problem with "gun control" is that banning guns does not make guns suddenly disappear. There are far too many of the already existing in the united states to really control them, and any attempt to do so does nothing but render the law abiding citizen defenseless in an already dangerous place.
 
Irrelevant. Convicted felons are prohibited by federal law from possessing firearms.

Wait, is that supposed to be some kind of argument for or against something?

So you admit to being in favor of gun control then.
 
The problem with "gun control" is that banning guns does not make guns suddenly disappear. There are far too many of the already existing in the united states to really control them, and any attempt to do so does nothing but render the law abiding citizen defenseless in an already dangerous place.

This is a good point that i didn't think of.

How about they make a law that forces people to get a gun license in order to keep the weapons they own - and if they fail the test the weapons are taken from them?

A psychological test that is.

And after like a year or so that this law has passed and people have been receiving licenses, then make a big gun cleanup with police officers raiding houses that possess illegal guns? Maybe even random checkups on houses. I mean, this is a fucking big problem, it's like having terror organizations in your own country. Something has to be done...
 
So you admit to being in favor of gun control then.

I admit to being in favor of legislation which keeps weapons out of the select few members of society who have demonstrated a propensity for irrational and unnecessary acts of violence, and nothing more.
If you were trying to shoehorn me into a false dichotomy (control all guns or control no guns) then gg that's not happening.
 
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The only way to reduce gun violence is to reduce the level of collective fear within a society. People can do scary things when they are scared.

Although i do not support the overall concept of guns and i would never own a gun, i do not believe that guns are inherently bad. It is a combination of living in a fear driven society and the possesion of death/harm inducing weapons that create the problem of gun violence. For some people, 'protecting or defending their own' translates to hurting anyone or anything that is viewed as a threat. Security conscious people can be the scariest people around.

ELE! Everybody love everybody! Rather than worrying about what could hurt/harm/kill you, choose instead to focus on what creates joy, peace and fun. Enjoy living rather than avoiding death or harm. Its a lot more fun and gives you unlimited freedom.

Safety can be a very dangerous word. Especaily when it is used by fear mongerers. 'True' safety and security is an internal psychological state. It cant be found in external objects and form, it cant be bought, traded or used to hurt you or anyone else. It is literally the peace that comes from knowing/remembering who you are and choosing to be a conscious creator. When you understand what and who you are, there is no one and no thing that can possibly hurt you except yourself.
 
I admit to being in favor of legislation which keeps weapons out of the select few members of society who have demonstrated a propensity for irrational and unnecessary acts of violence, and nothing more.
If you were trying to shoehorn me into a false dichotomy (control all guns or control no guns) then gg that's not happening.

Gun Control: regulation of the selling, owning, and use of guns (http://www.merriam-webster.com)
 
Gun Control: regulation of the selling, owning, and use of guns (http://www.merriam-webster.com)

Great, we've established that you know how to use a dictionary.
 
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