How do you feel about cat calling?

[muir]

You got to remember that Muir didnt hate feminism so much until the news broke that it was invented by Jews.

To be honest I think that its awful that invoking self-defence and using force to get people to leave you alone is the point its gotten to, ironically its only likely to encourage the same individuals doing the cat calling because it is a response, consider gamergate or the behaviour of trolls online. Even all the neck beard stuff.

I cant believe some of the mutant messages which have been a byproduct of the internet and all the jerks getting together and reinforcing one anothers delusions and behaviour. I dont really see this as a matter of politics with a big P or social struggles, I see it as incredibly bad manners, empathy fails and, most of all, a major failure in manliness or male norms.

I'm not against equality for women no and the jews certainly did not invent the concept of equality

Am i concerned when i find out george soros is funding certain 'feminist' groups? Yes

The question is whether or not the soros funded version of feminism is about equality or whether it is about driving a wedge between men and women

Personally i think it is increasing militancy and aggression which is having an antagonistic effect between the sexes

So who is soros? Well he also funded the laboratories at the centre of the ebola outbreak in africa and he is part of the zionist clique who are committing genocide against the helpless palestineans

So what else do that group want?

Well they have people like diane feinstein who want to take the guns off the US american people?

Why? The reason they want to disarm the american people is so that they become as helpless as the africans and palestineans so that they can do what they are doing to the palestineans and africans which is to say commit genocide against them as per their UN agenda 21 plans for population control and management
[MENTION=6650]SealHammer[/MENTION]

Concerning how you phrased the argument I made of the sexualisation of society playing a part in unwanted female attention i think that our society is being heavily sexualised but at the same time i don't think a lot of men have access to sex and i think that to think this won't cause some tensions is naive

 

[Gaze]

What do you all think about cat-calling and how women behave towards men?

I was reading some interesting personal anecdotes from men who have endured a lot of sexual harrassment by women, particularly in medical or office environments. It seems when their concerns are brought to management and HR it's laughed off and nothing is done about it. I have seen a lot of women cat-call at men, too. Though I see this more from older women doing it to younger men.

I wonder if anyone else sees this as a problem also.

I don't think there is a solution to this type of behaviour. I sometimes get the feeling we are all alienated from each other and have a difficult time empathizing with the other sex.

I remember a guy in college course a few years back mentioning that he had to file a sexual harassment complaint against a female coworker where he worked. Most of the men in the class thought it was funny and great that he got the attention but he didn't think so. It made him very uncomfortable. However, as a male he was expected to see it only as a positive and be glad he was getting the attention. So, yeah, same principle applies though. The problem in any case is expecting the person to feel comfortable with it just because we think noticing someone's and showing obvious interest or making comments should be seen as a positive or as complimentary. We still haven't really acknowledged that it shouldn't be an obligation for someone to like the attention. Same could be said for overly flirtatious behavior in a professional setting. If you don't go along with it, then you're seen as not a "team player."

 

[muir]

What do you all think about cat-calling and how women behave towards men?

I was reading some interesting personal anecdotes from men who have endured a lot of sexual harrassment by women, particularly in medical or office environments. It seems when their concerns are brought to management and HR it's laughed off and nothing is done about it. I have seen a lot of women cat-call at men, too. Though I see this more from older women doing it to younger men.

I wonder if anyone else sees this as a problem also.

I don't think there is a solution to this type of behaviour. I sometimes get the feeling we are all alienated from each other and have a difficult time empathizing with the other sex.

Yes everyone is alienated and yes people are growing suspicious and wary of the other sex. This is being stoked by the 'battle of the sexes' and marxist feminism has told women that men are to blame for everything

So funnily enough women then start blaming men for everything

men then feel that is unfair (i didn't oppress women in the pre-service economy era and neither did any other guy on the street so why are we being held responsible?)

What the people who control our society are veryt good at doing is taking public anger and frustration and then directing it at a group that is not to blame

So for example in the UK media at the moment there is a lot of anti-muslim sentiment and at the same time an article in the papers today said many brits feel stressed and insecure at work due to legal changes made by the current government; those peopel then feel angry and aggreieved but instead of directing that anger at the people manipukating the economy and the laws the media directs their anger at the muslims

But the muslims did not destroy the economy and the muslims did not change employment laws

Its the same with feminism. The common man has been an economic slave throughout history. The average guy on the street has not and does not oppress women so marxist feminism telling women to blame men for everything is only going to make women antagonistic towards men and men suspicious of women and i'd put it to peopl that we are seeing that occur in our society

I'd also say that the people who control our society have created a sexualised society where sex is used to sell consumerist items and that this stokes sexual energies in men who are constantly surrounded by the visual promise of sex but without the actual sex

For example how often do you visit a site on the internet and there is some picture of a woman in varying states of undress? Its everywhere. You could be looking at a site about spades and there will be an attractive female holding a spade

The realities are that the female models constantly depicted in these adverts are unobtainable to most men but the media tells them they should be available

Its not good for the self esteem of women either who are constantly made to feel inadequate especially when you consider many photos of models in the media are airbrushed clear of any imperfections

 

[Rcs6r]

If you want to avoid cat calling, just walk around looking as disgusting as possible.

 

[the]

What do you all think about cat-calling and how women behave towards men?

I was reading some interesting personal anecdotes from men who have endured a lot of sexual harrassment by women, particularly in medical or office environments. It seems when their concerns are brought to management and HR it's laughed off and nothing is done about it. I have seen a lot of women cat-call at men, too. Though I see this more from older women doing it to younger men.

I wonder if anyone else sees this as a problem also.

I don't think there is a solution to this type of behaviour. I sometimes get the feeling we are all alienated from each other and have a difficult time empathizing with the other sex.

In the u.s. men are not a protected class of people so it does not surprise me that men being sexually harassed would be laughed off by hr.

 

[muir]

I remember a guy in college course a few years back mentioning that he had to file a sexual harassment complaint against a female coworker where he worked. Most of the men in the class thought it was funny and great that he got the attention but he didn't think so. It made him very uncomfortable. However, as a male he was expected to see it only as a positive and be glad he was getting the attention. So, yeah, same principle applies though. The problem in any case is expecting the person to feel comfortable with it just because we think noticing someone's and showing obvious interest or making comments should be seen as a positive or as complimentary. We still haven't really acknowledged that it shouldn't be an obligation for someone to like the attention. Same could be said for overly flirtatious behavior in a professional setting. If you don't go along with it, then you're seen as not a "team player."

I think unwanted attention is...well...unwanted

Harassment is downright unacceptable especially if a person has been told to back off

But lets think about this for a moment

men and women have to meet somewhere

To meet people have to put out signals and sometimes they have to approach someone

Nowadays community has broken down and everyone goes to work in their cars or if on public transport they are looking always at their ipad or smart phone; no one is talking or communicating or smiling at each other; if someone even starts a conversation it can be seen as odd

people are becoming uncomfrotable around each other

Then after work they go home and they watch TV or go online isolated from the world

It seems many people are now using dating sites because people aren't meeting each other in normal natural settings so meetings have to be artificially created

Lets face a person is not going to like everyone that approaches them but as the 'why don;t women make the first move' thread showed many women WANT to be approached by guys

Ok that's fine...but the reality is that they are NOT going to fancy every guy that approaches them

What they really want is the guiy of their dreams to appraoch them and no one else. presumably this will be acheived through telepathy

 

[SealHammer]

I'm not being 'obtuse'

You have advocated the idea of women physically attacking guys they perceive to be stalking them

This is an idea of attacking people that they perceive to be giving unwanted attention

But where are the lines drawn?

As @the stated earlier in the thread sometimes it is not the attention that is unwanted it is the person providing the attention that matters

So if a guy the woman likes approaches it is all good but if a guy they don't like approaches then he is an unwanted pest or potential 'stalker'

Honestly man telling women to lash out violently at men is not responsible or wise

If a person is receiving unwanted attention that constitutes harrassmen then a person should leave and if necessary advise the police; but if a woman assaults a man then she is likely to be done for assault or even worse attacked by the guy

It's a dumb and irresponsible idea

It's kind of hard to just leave when a person follows you for an extended period of time (stalking) waiting for a chance to get you alone. Sometimes the only way around someone is through them.

 

[muir]

If you want to avoid cat calling, just walk around looking as disgusting as possible.

That's only looking at things on the micro level

So yes the way we dress, act and where we walk will affect the things that happen to us but there is a wider story here that needs telling

It is the story of the sexualisation of our society which is not something that an individual woman can do much on a day to day basis except not contribute to it and perhaps speak out about it for example on online forums

Imo women need to get past the idea that making themselves into a sex object is 'empowering' because the guy seeing that sexualised woman is not thinking: ''what a strong independantly minded woman''...he's thinking: ''i'd like to tap that''

 

[Rcs6r]

I was joking, sheesh.

 

[SealHammer]

That's only looking at things on the micro level

So yes the way we dress, act and where we walk will affect the things that happen to us but there is a wider story here that needs telling

It is the story of the sexualisation of our society which is not something that an individual woman can do much on a day to day basis except not contribute to it and perhaps speak out about it for example on online forums

Imo women need to get past the idea that making themselves into a sex object is 'empowering' because the guy seeing that sexualised woman is not thinking: ''what a strong independantly minded woman''...he's thinking: ''i'd like to tap that''

"I am a dog incapable of controlling my own impulses; stop dressing like such a slut."


seriously we are like one conversational thread away from "she was asking for it"

 

[muir]

It's kind of hard to just leave when a person follows you for an extended period of time (stalking) waiting for a chance to get you alone. Sometimes the only way around someone is through them.

I believe in the right of self defence

But seriously man you can get yourself into all sorts of trouble if you turn vigilante

First of all the law can come down on you as they see themselves as the only people allowed to impose the law

Secondly you know nothing about the mental state of the stalker

In my country people get stabbed for wearing the wrong football top

It happens so fast people don't even know they've been stabbed until after the skuffle they notice all the claret pissing down their front; most people describe the feeling as 'being punched'

If the knife hits something vital you can bleed out in 15 mins...no time for an ambulance

Advising women to get into a fight with someone who is possibly mentally unstable and who is likely to be stronger than them and might be armed is a bad idea

 

[muir]

"I am a dog incapable of controlling my own impulses; stop dressing like such a slut."


seriously we are like one conversational thread away from "she was asking for it"

That's the micro level

What i'm really talking about is something deeper than that

I'm talking about something that is going on in the man before he even sees the women (so how she is dressed is another issue)

I'm talking about guys being constantly bombarded with the suggestion of sex and the idea that sex is everywhere and that women want it all the time

If you watch for example pop music videos being shown to CHILDREN they are full of the suggestion of sex; these people are role models for kids. So what kind of impressions are kids growing up with now of how to perceive women (and if they are female themselves of how to view themselves)?

They're being conditioned to view women as sex objects (men and women are being conditioned to think that way)

 

[SealHammer]

Advising women to get into a fight with someone who is possibly mentally unstable and who is likely to be stronger than them and might be armed is a bad idea

Fair deal, but I never advocated a fight. I advocated a total one-sided domination (i.e. going Folsom-style on them). I guess most people don't have the mindset for that kind of explosive aggression though, so I'll cede the point.

 

[muir]

I was joking, sheesh.

That's fine, joking is good too

I'm just making some points here

If you have an opinion on those i;d be interested to hear, if not no problem!

 

[muir]

Fair deal, but I never advocated a fight. I advocated a total one-sided domination (i.e. going Folsom-style on them). I guess most people don't have the mindset for that kind of explosive aggression though, so I'll cede the point.

have you noticed how hollywood movies are full of aggressive women punching out guys?

This is absurd

Not only because it is creating aggressive role models for women (and yes i'm against all the violent male role models too!) but because anatomically it is impossible for a woman to do that

I have strong hands and limbs but i have in the past broken a knuckle punching (it was self defence!)

if a woman punches a guy on the jaw full blast with her smaller female hands they will likely break because the male skull is tougher

A woman is unlikely to take a guy out quckly and cleanly and before she knows it she has got herself into a violent situation that is going to end badly for her

All this hollywood stuff is filling peoples head with a totally distorted view of reality

If you throw a punch in a skuffle half the time you are just as likely to break your own hand as you are of doing them any damage

 

[Rcs6r]

That's fine, joking is good too

I'm just making some points here

If you have an opinion on those i;d be interested to hear, if not no problem!

Okay, I'll bite.

Yes, I agree American culture is over-sexualize.

I disagree with you, if a woman or man is sexually attractive, it is empowering whether we'd like it to be or not. The individual should just be aware the effects they have on others. With that said, yes there are those who use sexuality like a weapon against others to bend their will; it is disgusting behavior but it happens.

 

[muir]

Okay, I'll bite.

Yes, I agree American culture is over-sexualize.

I disagree with you, if a woman or man is sexually attractive, it is empowering whether we'd like it to be or not. The individual should just be aware the effects they have on others. With that said, yes there are those who use sexuality like a weapon against others to bend their will; it is disgusting behavior but it happens.

No empowerment is knowing the score so that you can't be manipulated

There's nothing empowering about being treated as a sex object

 

[Rcs6r]

No empowerment is knowing the score so that you can't be manipulated

There's nothing empowering about being treated as a sex object

If we're talking about the definition of empowering as "giving someone the authority or power to do something", in this case letting others use you as a sex object, then yes.

However, I am talking about empowering in the sense that someone becomes more confident in life by knowing they're sexually attractive.

 

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[MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION]


I see what you are saying. But approaching or 'making the first move' is different than cat-calling."Cat-calling" is defined by a person who whistles, shouts, or makes comments of a sexual nature to a woman passing by.

I don't see that as making a first move. I see it as harrassment.

I think what you're talking about is not the same as cat-calling.

 

[SealHammer]

have you noticed how hollywood movies are full of aggressive women punching out guys?

This is absurd

Not only because it is creating aggressive role models for women (and yes i'm against all the violent male role models too!) but because anatomically it is impossible for a woman to do that

I have strong hands and limbs but i have in the past broken a knuckle punching (it was self defence!)

if a woman punches a guy on the jaw full blast with her smaller female hands they will likely break because the male skull is tougher

A woman is unlikely to take a guy out quckly and cleanly and before she knows it she has got herself into a violent situation that is going to end badly for her

All this hollywood stuff is filling peoples head with a totally distorted view of reality

If you throw a punch in a skuffle half the time you are just as likely to break your own hand as you are of doing them any damage

Alright if you really insist on continuing this line of discussion I guess I'll bite.

I'm not advocating some Mike Tyson-style punchout like that one J-Lo movie (good movie tho) because most people, let alone most women, never have such a high level of training in striking. It is absolutely feasible for a woman to use her fists against a man, but she needs the capability to offset the sheer size difference. I wouldn't go into a boxing match with a guy who's got ten pounds on me if I didn't already know I was a much more capable fighter, because ten pounds of muscle is a pretty fucking big difference. I know some guys who have problems with fatty fats at the BJJ gym who are just dangerous to spar with because of their size and their inability to control themselves.

But one thing everybody can do, especially women, is to kick. Kick anything from the abdomen down (solar plexus, abs, groin, quads, kneecaps, shins, ankles/feet). All of these are very vulnerable spots that any physically healthy but otherwise incapable person can exploit.