How do you feel about cat calling?

[muir]

I think some of the comments are giving the impression that there should only be one perspective on cat calling and that was not the original point of the thread. Varying opinions are welcome.

I tried to show a wider perspective and was asked to leave!

What you are talking about is part of a wider picture of societal shifts in attitudes and behaviours

How well you will plumb those depths depends on how well you can look at that wider picture, otherwise it would be like trying to study a wall by looking at a single brick

 

[Gaze]

I tried to show a wider perspective and was asked to leave!

What you are talking about is part of a wider picture of societal shifts in attitudes and behaviours

How well you will plumb those depths depends on how well you can look at that wider picture, otherwise it would be like trying to study a wall by looking at a single brick

Seriously? I mean you couldn't simply just graciously acknowledge the request without turning it into some political argument. I only asked because I didn't want anyone feeling that any negative criticism of cat calling meant they were calling it rape. Clearly, rape is a more sensitive topic. It was that simple. And you just had to turn it into some bigger discussion that has nothing to do with why I asked you to start a new thread. I mean, really.

 

[muir]

Seriously? I mean you couldn't simply just graciously acknowledge the request without turning it into some political argument. I only asked because I didn't want anyone feeling that any negative criticism of cat calling meant they were calling it rape. Clearly, rape is a more sensitive topic. It was that simple. And you just had to turn it into some bigger discussion that has nothing to do with why I asked you to start a new thread. I mean, really.

I think if you want to discuss why something is happening then you need to look at the wider context

So for example what impression of women are young children being given these days in the TV their parents let them watch?

[video=youtube;YFLv9Ns1EuQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFLv9Ns1EuQ[/video]

Don't you think its worth mentioning the sexualisation of women (in which they willingly participate)?

Don't you think it's worth mentioning the post feminist breakdown of the nuclear family and the raising of boys without male role models?

Don't you think it is worth mentioning the sexualisation of society in general where images of virtually naked women are everywhere and used to sell even the most mundane every day products?

At what point do women take any responsibility in all that?

 

[sassafras]

I think that the reason why we start separate threads and topics is because you can't discuss everything at once. There are already plenty threads that are open right now that talk about the general issue and you can use those.

There is no need to get so militant and railroad over a fellow member's reasonable request.

 

[Gaze]

I think if you want to discuss why something is happening then you need to look at the wider context

So for example what impression of women are young children being given these days in the TV their parents let them watch?

[video=youtube;YFLv9Ns1EuQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFLv9Ns1EuQ[/video]


Don't you think its worth mentioning the sexualisation of women (in which they willingly participate)?

Don't you think it's worth mentioning the post feminist breakdown of the nuclear family and the raising of boys without male role models?

Don't you think it is worth mentioning the sexualisation of society in general where images of virtually naked women are everywhere and used to sell even the most mundane every day products?

At what point do women take any responsibility in all that?

wow, so, I'm assuming the answer is no, you won't start a new thread?

 

[muir]

wow, so, I'm assuming the answer is no, you won't start a new thread?

I thought i was to start a new thread if i wanted to talk about rape but I wasn't talking about rape I was talking about cat calling and why some men might do it

 

[muir]

I think that the reason why we start separate threads and topics is because you can't discuss everything at once. There are already plenty threads that are open right now that talk about the general issue and you can use those.

There is no need to get so militant and railroad over a fellow member's reasonable request.

That post is totally relevant to the thread

The thread is about men cat calling women and i'm saying ok lets look into that and why it might be happening...

 

[sassafras]

That post is totally relevant to the thread

The thread is about men cat calling women and i'm saying ok lets look into that and why it might be happening...

Do we really need to open up another vein of discussion that men cat-call because women are purdy and men like that and want to have sex with them?

The thing is, women get cat-called regardless of what it is they look like or what they're wearing. I have seen little old ladies cat-called in the subway. I have been followed from one bus stop to the next by a man making rude hip thrusting gestures while I was looking like a god damn hobo. I also notice that a lot of bigger women get that kind of attention, albeit a lot ruder than the slimmer ones. Sometimes it is not a show of appreciation or sexual attraction. Sometimes it is a show of dominance.

I don't think the problem is at all cat-calling. When it is done respectfully, it is not more complicated or different than someone saying "Hey! I like your outfit!" alongside a smile. When its not done respectfully, it usually occurs in a context where it is OBVIOUS that someone would be uncomfortable. It is not any threat to the men's movement or a pushing of the feminist agenda to acknowledge that a woman would feel threatened when she's walking by herself in a less populated area and that maybe now is not a good time to announce your appreciation as it might frighten her. This is just common sense.

As for women being sexualized in the media, is it a contributing factor? I think it is, most definitely, and that is certainly a subject we can branch off into in another thread if you'd like and we can link it back here because it requires more discussion.

But as far as cat-calling itself is concerned, there's nothing wrong with people sharing their experiences and feelings about it. Maybe instead of defending a man's right to cat-call, we can consider, hey, okay a lot of my female friends on this forum aren't really comfortable with it in this context or because of a, b, and c. Maybe I'll think about before I wolf-whistle at a women next time while the rest of society figures out where all this hyper-sexualization and gender issues that are exploding all over the place right now.

 

[apemon]

Perhaps the rude comments are just a way of bolstering the person's idea of themselves, and a little "male bonding" whatever the hell that is. Basically just a load of crap but I've noticed this kind of thing since high school. I'm thinking these people need to give themselves an ego boost and do it in that way to look like "real" men in other's eyes. just sayin'

 

[muir]

Do we really need to open up another vein of discussion that men cat-call because women are purdy and men like that and want to have sex with them?

The thing is, women get cat-called regardless of what it is they look like or what they're wearing. I have seen little old ladies cat-called in the subway. I have been followed from one bus stop to the next by a man making rude hip thrusting gestures while I was looking like a god damn hobo. I also notice that a lot of bigger women get that kind of attention, albeit a lot ruder than the slimmer ones. Sometimes it is not a show of appreciation or sexual attraction. Sometimes it is a show of dominance.

I don't think the problem is at all cat-calling. When it is done respectfully, it is not more complicated or different than someone saying "Hey! I like your outfit!" alongside a smile. When its not done respectfully, it usually occurs in a context where it is OBVIOUS that someone would be uncomfortable. It is not any threat to the men's movement or a pushing of the feminist agenda to acknowledge that a woman would feel threatened when she's walking by herself in a less populated area and that maybe now is not a good time to announce your appreciation as it might frighten her. This is just common sense.

As for women being sexualized in the media, is it a contributing factor? I think it is, most definitely, and that is certainly a subject we can branch off into in another thread if you'd like and we can link it back here because it requires more discussion.

But as far as cat-calling itself is concerned, there's nothing wrong with people sharing their experiences and feelings about it. Maybe instead of defending a man's right to cat-call, we can consider, hey, okay a lot of my female friends on this forum aren't really comfortable with it in this context or because of a, b, and c. Maybe I'll think about before I wolf-whistle at a women next time while the rest of society figures out where all this hyper-sexualization and gender issues that are exploding all over the place right now.

Right...this is all completely unrelated to me pointing out how male perceptions of women are being subconsciously altered from a young age through the media and how the breakdown of the nuclear family is preventing men from having a role model who can tell them the difference between right and wrong, not to mention womens own responsiblity to not only think about how they dress and act but also about what they support in terms of cultural norms of behaviour, fashions, media (eg glossy magazines, literature eg 50 shades of grey, films , pop music videos etc) etc

So for example where are the condemnations from women of the women who are participating in the sexualisation of society?

Instead i hear all this crap about how miley cyrus is an 'empowered' woman

The woman in the sexually alluring pose with the come-to-bed eyes with her 20 foot wide tits out in the bra advert on the billboard all the men have to walk past in the subway...is she 'empowered' too? The only thing she is empowering is the corporations, the PR companies and mens sexual hormones

People need to wise up

 

[sassafras]

Perhaps the rude comments are just a way of bolstering the person's idea of themselves, and a little "male bonding" whatever the hell that is. Basically just a load of crap but I've noticed this kind of thing since high school. I'm thinking these people need to give themselves an ego boost and do it in that way to look like "real" men in other's eyes. just sayin'

There's definitely a general cultural sense that many men are feeling emasculated, so the rise (or perceived rise) of these behaviours make sense if this is the reason why men cat call.

In which case, we must ask ourselves, why is violence and verbal abuse against women seen as a way to empower a man? It provides a pretty important clue as to why empowering women is perceived as a threat... and why many women feel like the only way they can empower themselves is by emasculating men.

Something is severely backwards here.

 

[muir]

There's definitely a general cultural sense that many men are feeling emasculated, so the rise (or perceived rise) of these behaviours make sense if this is the reason why men cat call.

In which case, we must ask ourselves, why is violence and verbal abuse against women seen as a way to empower a man? It provides a pretty important clue as to why empowering women is perceived as a threat... and why many women feel like the only way they can empower themselves is by emasculating men.

Something is severely backwards here.

Guys not getting sex in a sexualised society is why

If the guy was getting sex do you think he'd leer?

A button is being pushed here that needs to stop being pushed

Women are using their bodies to sell everything from cars to coffee...come on...it's in guys faces 24/7

 

[muir]

Women are using their bodies to sexualise our society (by offering the constant suggestion of sex but without delivering on it)

You know what cat calling is? Its what geo-politics commentators would call 'blow back'

It's male blowback against the weaponisation of the female body

 

[SlowUpTake]

Women are using their bodies to sexualise our society (by offering the constant suggestion of sex but without delivering on it)

You know what cat calling is? Its what geo-politics commentators would call 'blow back'

It's male blowback against the weaponisation of the female body

So in a very real way, women are asking for and deserve this kind of treatment.

 

[muir]

So in a very real way, women are asking for and deserve this kind of treatment.

I think men AND women need to become more consciously aware of how they are being manipulated by corporate agendas seeking to cheapen and divide humanity

If men are constantly being given the suggestion of sex without there being any sex it's like applying some bellows to a fire and then acting suprised when the fire gets hotter

 

[SlowUpTake]

I think men AND women need to become more consciously aware of how they are being manipulated by corporate agendas seeking to cheapen and divide humanity

If men are constantly being given the suggestion of sex without there being any sex it's like applying some bellows to a fire and then acting suprised when the fire gets hotter

So it is a genuine balance between men and women to make things better?

What about those who run these corperations, are they men being manupulated by women or something else?

 

[muir]

So it is a genuine balance between men and women to make things better?

Both genders have a responsiblity to see the wider societal effects of their behaviours

But there is a cause and effect....there is no point attacking the effect without also looking at the cause

What about those who run these corperations, are they men being manupulated by women or something else?

There are varying views on what percentage of the population are psychopaths but they are commonly drawn to certain job roles for the amount of influence they offer; many psychopaths will be attracted to certain corporations for example

These psychopaths (whether male or female) are often bisexual in their behaviours but not in that they like either sex but rather that they will use either gender to get what they want

To exploit society sexually without a conscience is psychopathic behaviour and i would strongly suggest that if you trace a lot of these influences back to source you will find psychopaths (of both genders)

 

[the]

What do you want me to say child? Do you want me to not tell you I'm PMSing? Let you know that my behavior towards you, that is very different from my normal behavior, is just me being a dick? Because it's not. I'm sorry you don't have a vagina, that you'd rather be ignorant of what PMS means and would rather think it's a cop out. I'm sure if you had sisters you'd understand this quite a bit more. If you do have sisters and did not learn from the experience of growing up with them, that's really sad; you should try harder.

You ever see that YouTube video of that guy telling his 'class' the scales of women's crazy? That a crazy of the lowest is marriage material and if the crazy is non existent that it's a dude -it's a "unicorn." K, that's true and it's true for a reason. When you're hormones start going crazy once a week out of every month, maybe even more depending, you let me know and we'll discuss this further. Until then, don't get dick hurt because I let you know I'm PMSing. It's so blatantly obvious to me when other women on this forum are PMSing, regardless of not letting the person they're yelling at know and just apologizing a week later, I'm not ok with not knowing why I'm acting a certain way. If I had it my way I would never PMS again, my hormones would be perfect and I'd be fine all the time cause shit really does roll off my back until this time of month. But there is no amount of medication or meditation that can lessen my angst and irrational feelings, believe you me I try. If you have a problem with it I suggest you get over it because more often than not every women you will encounter will do this flip when they are PMSing. It'd be better for you if you made an effort to understand it than to call it a cop out because they will get more pissed at you and then you'll deal with that. Until there is a cure for PMS you should probably understand it before you bitch about it.

What a load of shit.

 

[JGirl]

Then why call me out for thumbs downing you? You walked into this.

I have talked about my opinion but also *MY* experiences. You can go ahead and read my prior posts. I don't care whether you're my age or not. You do not KNOW me and what I have been through. You also don't have the right to say that you have more experience than me because of my age. I've been through a lot of shit in my life and then some. I have plenty of scars.

Since you're a woman of an older age who has supposedly experienced difficult stuff, I'm VERY disappointed at your absence of sensitivity to a subject like this... which effects SO many women (AND men) of many different ages living in NYC. I'm just looking for some understanding here and obviously you're devoid of it.

This is my piece. I hope you put your view aside and try to see where I'm coming from.

i called you on thumbing my post down because i think it's immature
i did read the entire thread, why don't you relax?
i am not saying anything against your opinion or your experiences. what makes you think i am??
i am not insensitive to being accosted verbally believe me. i was expressing my view on the video shown in this thread. you want to make my statements about you and they just aren't.
sorry for the misunderstanding. it seems you think you know me but your reaction to my opinion on this thread shows me that you absolutely do not.
and that's ok too. just don't put words into my m outh or claim my intent is something that it isn't

 

[SealHammer]

To get away from the red pill "women are manipulating me with the promise of sex" bullshit, why are you ladies not battering these guys comatose when they literally stalk you on the street? I know self-defense laws are pretty lopsided in NYC, but I'm pretty sure you could get away with at least breaking some ribs or a kneecap using the excuse "he made a grab for me."