INFJ or INTJ?

Deleted member 16771 said:
Hm, hey @Wyote how rare would you say an Enneagram 1 INFJ is? I know that @Rowan Tree and I both type as 1s (I'm personally a 1w2) and I can potentially understand the INFJ idealism manifesting as 1. What do you think? Anyone else?
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You don't hear about them being 1's a lot, at least I haven't, but to me it makes a lot of sense for at least a chunk of infjs to be 1's. I mean, I think it would be a more action oriented infj, but seeing as "perfectionism" is totally a core element of infjs, it makes a lot of sense. Also the whole social reform bit, infjs definitely got that in 'em lolol. I wouldn't know how to wager a guess at rarity really, but I'm willing to bet there's a chunk of the pie of 'em :)
 
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Wyote said:
You don't hear about them being 1's a lot, at least I haven't, but to me it makes a lot of sense for at least a chunk of infjs to be 1's. I mean, I think it would be a more action oriented infj, but seeing as "perfectionism" is totally a core element of infjs, it makes a lot of sense. Also the whole social reform bit, infjs definitely got that in 'em lolol. I wouldn't know how to wager a guess at rarity really, but I'm willing to bet there's a chunk of the pie of 'em :)
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Yeah that was my thinking, too, though I just wanted to check if it wasn't something that was' uncharacteristically INFJ'. :blush:
 
Deleted member 16771 said:
Yeah that was my thinking, too, though I just wanted to check if it wasn't something that was' uncharacteristically INFJ'. :blush:
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In some circles, you get the sense that anything other than 4 is "uncharacteristic" lol
 
Wyote said:
An infj would say that
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Aww, thank you :blush::tonguewink:

Deleted member 16771 said:
Hm, hey @Wyote how rare would you say an Enneagram 1 INFJ is? I know that @Rowan Tree and I both type as 1s (I'm personally a 1w2) and I can potentially understand the INFJ idealism manifesting as 1. What do you think? Anyone else?
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Well, as Wyote already said from the profile alone they shouldn't be that rare, but I did feel a little like an outlier in terms of Enneagram until you guys and @Impact Character (if she decides for 1, that is :P ) came here. But I was and remain joyful enough just to be able to interact with like-minded people to not perpetually notice whether we do or don't share an E-type.

Wyote said:
I mean, I think it would be a more action oriented infj, but seeing as "perfectionism" is totally a core element of infjs, it makes a lot of sense.
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The funny thing is, I think due to the perfectionism the E1 INFJ isn't all that action-oriented, sometimes it's quite the opposite. If we start thinking about the action, the plan has to play out perfectly in our minds before we even start doing it (even if that's not 100% how it goes, it's at least an approximation). That's what usually stifles the action-initiation. But once we do it, we usually continue until we're done. It takes an epiphany and practice to not feel the urge/pressure to produce something perfect.
But perhaps we still are relatively speaking more action-oriented, doing something because it's the right thing to do according to our idealistic principles.

Wyote said:
In some circles, you get the sense that anything other than 4 is "uncharacteristic" lol
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I would add 2s to that too, although I wouldn't presume they are just as common as 4s.
 
Ginny said:
I would add 2s to that too, although I wouldn't presume they are just as common as 4s.
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I mean, it's not like an infj type 4 is exactly "common" in the first place. Probably half of the infj type 1's in existence are on this forum :tearsofjoy:
 
Ginny said:
Aww, thank you :blush::tonguewink:


Well, as Wyote already said from the profile alone they shouldn't be that rare, but I did feel a little like an outlier in terms of Enneagram until you guys and @Impact Character (if she decides for 1, that is :p ) came here. But I was and remain joyful enough just to be able to interact with like-minded people to not perpetually notice whether we do or don't share an E-type.


The funny thing is, I think due to the perfectionism the E1 INFJ isn't all that action-oriented, sometimes it's quite the opposite. If we start thinking about the action, the plan has to play out perfectly in our minds before we even start doing it (even if that's not 100% how it goes, it's at least an approximation). That's what usually stifles the action-initiation. But once we do it, we usually continue until we're done. It takes an epiphany and practice to not feel the urge/pressure to produce something perfect.
But perhaps we still are relatively speaking more action-oriented, doing something because it's the right thing to do according to our idealistic principles.


:tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy:
I would add 2s to that too, although I wouldn't presume they are just as common as 4s.
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*coughs* :grin:
I read a bit into it..also triads.. and took a test for fun and out of curiosity(!) .. (I wanted to know why this was so important to you guys :blush: not specifically on a value level.. rather.. well.. "might be a good quality" kind of thing) ...but if I was you..I wouldn't take the result too serious/correct yet.. (the test said something about most likely 1w2.. following 2w1 and then 1w9.. ) all very close ^^"
I'll tackle enneagramms to understand them better.... but back then.. I kindly reminded me of not starting too much multitasking at once and keep my eye rather still a bit on my sponging issues... I would hate to leave a nasty brain-explosion-stain on the forum floor.
Besides.. perfectionist?! *sighs* I've worked so hard to get out of this nasty trap! :p ...j/k ...well somewhat xD "orz
 
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I took multiple enneagram tests tonight...with different results. Also read (scanned) a book on enneagrams. Type 5 with balanced wings seems to be closest, followed by a 9w8.

There seems to be some sort of correlation between enneagram 5 and male INFJ's though...

So, from now on I will skip the tests. INFJ and type 5 are clise enough for me.
 
Headstorm said:
There seems to be some sort of correlation between enneagram 5 and male INFJ's though...
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I wouldn't want to overgeneralise like this. Just because the pool isn't big enough, it doesn't mean that there is reason for conclusions with neither head nor tail.

Headstorm said:
So, from now on I will skip the tests. INFJ and type 5 are clise enough for me.
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Congratulations :)
Tests are rubbish anyway :P
 
Ginny said:
The INTJs particular talent is object oriented problem solving, they are good with the reasons of the tribe, rather than the feelings of the tribe.
The INFJ is a perfect conundrum as in that due to their aux-Fe they are both energised and drained by social activity. An INTJ, with Fe next to last, couldn't care less about people in general, but if the emotional connection is strong enough they would do anything for the people they care about.
Another way emotions can manifest in INTJs (assuming that due to judging functions it is the same as in ISTJs) is when a loved one is hurt or sick and they can't do anything about it. They can care so much that they get stuck in their own emotions and the others suffering almost makes them fall apart.

So yes, there is something like a sensitive INTJ, just not in the way you probably think.
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INTJs actually have Fi as their tertiary function, which balances Te decisions. When making a decision, INTJs initially use their Ni to formulate an idea, back it up with the logic and action of their Te, then check it with their Fi, aligning decisions with their morals and values(which explains the work friend "J" of above user Hostarious). This makes INTJs passionate and productive regarding their ideals and interests. Contrastly, Ni-Fe is more focused on reading other people and their social environment. Comparing these two is an excellent way to distinguish between INFJs and INTJs. For example, I spend my time with people constantly analyzing them and their emotions and how their minds work. In other words, I use my Ni to aid Fe things, while INTJs use it to create Te strategies and plans and to back their intuition with external logic. INTJs are more likely to fight for what they want, because they do not have the Fe that brings constant awareness of other's feelings. Instead, they use their Fi to act on what matters to them, a function that is always seeking internal harmony. Personally, I use the Fi-Fe distinction to analyze peoples behavior and type them often. If you look at people in conflict, it is easier to diagnose the placement and type of their feeling function. Fi users can take things personally, feel targeted, or feel that other people are acting against them, because they are concerned with their internal harmony. Fe users in conflict are more upset by something being off in the external environment, and with the other person. They are working to fix the situation, which can sometimes come off a bit aggressive and intrusive with dominant Fe users. INFJs have auxilary Fe, and are often willing to make the situation right but tend to flee the situation while it is heated. Another differentiation is that INFJs don't understand their own emotions or give attention to them the way the Fi users do.
My best suggestion in understanding your type would be to introspect, figure out what your motivations are and how you make decisions. These two types share dominant and inferior functions but they are very different if you look closely. To me I would say you seem motivated by Fe and not Te, making you an INFJ, but I'm just a person on the internet.
If you delve deeply into typology(I recommend literature vs forums), I guarantee you will understand yourself infinitely better and know where you fall, not to mention it will open up your inner world to all kinds of new thought patterns and discoveries.
 
fackjam said:
INTJs actually have Fi as their tertiary function, which balances Te decisions. When making a decision, INTJs initially use their Ni to formulate an idea, back it up with the logic and action of their Te, then check it with their Fi, aligning decisions with their morals and values(which explains the work friend "J" of above user Hostarious). This makes INTJs passionate and productive regarding their ideals and interests. Contrastly, Ni-Fe is more focused on reading other people and their social environment. Comparing these two is an excellent way to distinguish between INFJs and INTJs. For example, I spend my time with people constantly analyzing them and their emotions and how their minds work. In other words, I use my Ni to aid Fe things, while INTJs use it to create Te strategies and plans and to back their intuition with external logic. INTJs are more likely to fight for what they want, because they do not have the Fe that brings constant awareness of other's feelings. Instead, they use their Fi to act on what matters to them, a function that is always seeking internal harmony. Personally, I use the Fi-Fe distinction to analyze peoples behavior and type them often. If you look at people in conflict, it is easier to diagnose the placement and type of their feeling function. Fi users can take things personally, feel targeted, or feel that other people are acting against them, because they are concerned with their internal harmony. Fe users in conflict are more upset by something being off in the external environment, and with the other person. They are working to fix the situation, which can sometimes come off a bit aggressive and intrusive with dominant Fe users. INFJs have auxilary Fe, and are often willing to make the situation right but tend to flee the situation while it is heated. Another differentiation is that INFJs don't understand their own emotions or give attention to them the way the Fi users do.
My best suggestion in understanding your type would be to introspect, figure out what your motivations are and how you make decisions. These two types share dominant and inferior functions but they are very different if you look closely. To me I would say you seem motivated by Fe and not Te, making you an INFJ, but I'm just a person on the internet.
If you delve deeply into typology(I recommend literature vs forums), I guarantee you will understand yourself infinitely better and know where you fall, not to mention it will open up your inner world to all kinds of new thought patterns and discoveries.
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Perhaps I should have mentioned that I am working from an 8-function model, rather than the imo limited view that the MBTI-1 provides. Therefore, when I say INTJs have Fe next to last, I mean it's in their 7th slot.
I must admit that I am a little offended, though, if your second and third paragraphs are pertaining to the quoted section. Nonetheless, thank you for pointing out this negligent error, I appreciate a lot that you took the time to explain, as it helps to bring the point across to the OP.
 
Ginny said:
Perhaps I should have mentioned that I am working from an 8-function model, rather than the imo limited view that the MBTI-1 provides. Therefore, when I say INTJs have Fe next to last, I mean it's in their 7th slot.
I must admit that I am a little offended, though, if your second and third paragraphs are pertaining to the quoted section. Nonetheless, thank you for pointing out this negligent error, I appreciate a lot that you took the time to explain, as it helps to bring the point across to the OP.
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Haha sorry if it came across as a correction, I thought you might be referring to the 8-Function model, but wanted to clarify for the OP. Then I went off on a bit of a tangent answering his question within my reply to you. I agree with your take.
 
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I thought this was kind of sweet ^^ My brother always jokes about his rule of three.. which is basically forming a weird theory out of witnessing something to happen three times.. we always struggle there lol​

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Impact Character said:
Differences between Ti and Te:

I thought this was kind of sweet ^^ My brother always jokes about his rule of three.. which is basically forming a weird theory out of witnessing something to happen three times.. we always struggle there lol​

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Thank you so much. I think I know now why I sometimes have a different logic. I always want to make sure all eventualities are covered in the software we design. My programmers often look at me like I am not from this earth. They want to make it work and nothing more. I guess thats Te vs Ti then.
 
Impact Character said:
Differences between Ti and Te:

I thought this was kind of sweet ^^ My brother always jokes about his rule of three.. which is basically forming a weird theory out of witnessing something to happen three times.. we always struggle there lol​

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This feels good as level one insight. What worries me is that inductive and deductive thinking are bound together in an intimate dance that in the end can only be separated conceptually. In practice they have to be both applied by a creative investigator in rapid evolutionary succession if they are to creatively bring new insight to birth.
 
John K said:
This feels good as level one insight. What worries me is that inductive and deductive thinking are bound together in an intimate dance that in the end can only be separated conceptually. In practice they have to be both applied by a creative investigator in rapid evolutionary succession if they are to creatively bring new insight to birth.
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Spoken like a true boss
 
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