INFJs Vs. ENTPs

[Bt4fl]

Who needs a plan? You mix speed with a knowledge of anatomy, with ruthlessness and amorality and motivation.

This, one hundred times this.

All my training in GFT (Ground Fighting Tactics) focuses on these basic ideas.

The winner of any fight is the one willing to go the furthest to hurt the other... seems like an extrovert would be more apt to do so.

Even though I might be a "sensitive" ENTP, I have an absolutly ruthless side that has allways won me a real fight.

 

[slant]

Which is better? Better in/at what? It depends.
Why? It depends...
Which would win in a fist fight? Well, that also depends. What's it over?
Which is a better leader? Also depends on the circumstances, what they are leading, who, and why and for how long.
What problems are there with interations between both? Communication problems. Insensitivity. One party being overly emotional. etc.
Other input/questions/rants/curses/monkey porn that you want to add in.
Nope. I hate the monkeys, don't rant or curse.

 

[sassafras]

The winner of any fight is the one willing to go the furthest to hurt the other... seems like an extrovert would be more apt to do so.

Uh. No. The winner of any fight is the one who wins. It doesn't matter how much effort you put into hurting the other person. You could have the most malicious, ruthless intentions, but those mean nothing if you're knocked out in the first round.

It's physical skill, size and strength that make all the difference. And again, those are not factors determined by personality.

And talk, as they say, is cheap. So what's that point of theoretically comparing something that is physically determined and dependent on individual variables on a text-based forum where there is no way to physically verify such claims? Its just clucking in a hen-house.

For what it's worth, we could all know Kung Fu, Karate, and 47 other dangerous words, but it will mean nothing in an actual arena... at least not until you see what the other guy's got. And even then, try not to underestimate anyone.

Give any man or woman the right motivation, and they're not going to going to get sensitive. Trust me.

 

[Bored Now]

It depends. I don't back down from fights. At all. My dad had me beating up my boy cousins when I was just a baby for his amusement.

Plus girls kept trying to kick my ass in high school.

Girl: "Stuck up bitch, you think you're better than me!"
Me:"No you KNOW that I'm better than you, and that's why you're in my face. Now that we have that cleared up, you can go now.'
Girl:*punches me in the head*
Me: Hey, I don't really want to fight. This is immature.
Girl: *Punches me again*
Me: Hit me one more time. I don't want to fight, but I will. *walks away*
Girl: *Hits me as I'm walking away*
Me: *Goes berserker and ends her. Girl's friends and boyfriend have to pull me off of her like a deranged howler monkey.*

Don't back an INFJ into a corner or screw with their friends. You'd be unpleasantly surprised. Because I was skinny and quiet, girls thought they could kick my ass. But the truth is, I'm more athletic(volleyball AND track) than skinny. I look like a frail thing, but I'm wiry and relentless.

It was always someone's lame ass boyfriend who was at the root of it. And my smart ass mouth. I was really quiet and shy but for reason people saw it as arrogance and me being stuck up when they could not have been more wrong. I was just a loner. I didn't think I was better than. That's the part that hurt, that people thought I was mean and snobby. I'm not. I'm a total sweetheart.

 

[gloomy-optimist]

I agree with that.

Really, I think it depends on how much you back the INFJ in a corner. I don't fight and dislike conflicts, but if you manage to invoke some level of real rage in me, I WILL fight you, and I won't feel bad.

I'm not formally familiar with the cognitive functions. Which is responsible for keeping a cool head in an altercation?

I think that kind of depends -- in a high stress conflict that requires immediate action, Se would probably be promoted to top in INFJs. If you were trying to resolve the argument with a cool head, though, you'd probably use either Fe or Ti, depending on whether you're focusing more on the social, good-feeling part of it or the objective, problem-solving part

 

[Shai Gar]

Uh. No. The winner of any fight is the one who wins. It doesn't matter how much effort you put into hurting the other person. You could have the most malicious, ruthless intentions, but those mean nothing if you're knocked out in the first round.

Uh, no. For me, the fight doesn't end until I have either "won" or destroyed my opponent. That means if I'm knocked unconscious, the fight is continuing immediately when I wake up and find my opponent again. I broke a guys arm in Boyne Island, two days after he knocked me out in Gladstone, simply because I was made unable to continue the fight (by him knocking me unconscious). I don't think he wants to say that he won the fight.

It's physical skill, size and strength that make all the difference. And again, those are not factors determined by personality.

Again, uh, no. I've been in a fight with a guy in a nightclub in Gladstone who was about half a meter taller than me. The guy was all muscle. I won because I broke his knee and when he was on the ground kicked him in the solar plexus with my steelcaps. Then my fellow employee, a bouncer the same size as the assailant picked him up and dragged him out of the club. My boss the manager bought me a drink.

It was definitely personality that won that fight, because most people think a fight starts by yelling and pushing at each other until the other guy "notes their superiority and assumes a humble beta male pose and walks away". He was definitely one of them. I am a guy who believes that you should attack immediately with your best disabling move and then move in for a kill. No mercy.

Give any man or woman the right motivation, and they're not going to going to get sensitive. Trust me.

Oh, it doesn't matter if they have the right motivation. What matters is how they choose to fight, and how soon they start to attack with their most dangerous moves.

 

[Blind Bandit]

Uh, no. For me, the fight doesn't end until I have either "won" or destroyed my opponent. That means if I'm knocked unconscious, the fight is continuing immediately when I wake up and find my opponent again. I broke a guys arm in Boyne Island, two days after he knocked me out in Gladstone, simply because I was made unable to continue the fight (by him knocking me unconscious). I don't think he wants to say that he won the fight.



Again, uh, no. I've been in a fight with a guy in a nightclub in Gladstone who was about half a meter taller than me. The guy was all muscle. I won because I broke his knee and when he was on the ground kicked him in the solar plexus with my steelcaps. Then my fellow employee, a bouncer the same size as the assailant picked him up and dragged him out of the club. My boss the manager bought me a drink.

It was definitely personality that won that fight, because most people think a fight starts by yelling and pushing at each other until the other guy "notes their superiority and assumes a humble beta male pose and walks away". He was definitely one of them. I am a guy who believes that you should attack immediately with your best disabling move and then move in for a kill. No mercy.


Oh, it doesn't matter if they have the right motivation. What matters is how they choose to fight, and how soon they start to attack with their most dangerous moves.

This is why many INFJs don't respect most ENTP's.

All I ever hear from ENTPs is about how badass they are.

All I can say is for any ENTPs looking for INFJs your probably driving them away, with comments like these.lol

And to get back to the point. Don't under estimate a pissed off INFJ. Just because ENTPs like to play the alpha dosen't mean others won't come off and surprise you.

 

[sassafras]

Uh, no. For me, the fight doesn't end until I have either "won" or destroyed my opponent. That means if I'm knocked unconscious, the fight is continuing immediately when I wake up and find my opponent again. I broke a guys arm in Boyne Island, two days after he knocked me out in Gladstone, simply because I was made unable to continue the fight (by him knocking me unconscious). I don't think he wants to say that he won the fight.



Again, uh, no. I've been in a fight with a guy in a nightclub in Gladstone who was about half a meter taller than me. The guy was all muscle. I won because I broke his knee and when he was on the ground kicked him in the solar plexus with my steelcaps. Then my fellow employee, a bouncer the same size as the assailant picked him up and dragged him out of the club. My boss the manager bought me a drink.

It was definitely personality that won that fight, because most people think a fight starts by yelling and pushing at each other until the other guy "notes their superiority and assumes a humble beta male pose and walks away". He was definitely one of them. I am a guy who believes that you should attack immediately with your best disabling move and then move in for a kill. No mercy.


Oh, it doesn't matter if they have the right motivation. What matters is how they choose to fight, and how soon they start to attack with their most dangerous moves.

*yawn*

That's all nice and wonderful, Shai, but you conveniently forgot to quote one very important point:

Talk is cheap.

That's why there's no point in discussing this. I can't prove you can't. You can't prove you can. Because we're all members of the Justice League behind our computer screens. Really.

 

[Creon]

op2:

 

[Blind Bandit]

*yawn*

That's all nice and wonderful, Shai, but you conveniently forgot to quote one very important point:

Talk is cheap.

That's why there's no point in discussing this. I can't prove you can't. You can't prove you can. Because we're all members of the Justice League behind our computer screens. Really.

Well said.

And arrogance no matter how well founded dose no good for anyone.

 

[Bt4fl]

I love how the only argument for the INFJs are either "you're just talking" or "we go into a cool rage thingy!"

If you weren't just words on a computer screen... I'd give you a first hand about me "just talking.

As for a rage... you lose your head, you lose the fight. ENTPs use "violence of action" meaning that every move is deliberate and done with a quickness and force nessacary to preform whatever it is that we want to accomplish, nothing more, nothing less.

The last time someone went into a rage on me was nearly 2 mins into a fairly even fight. as soon as he lost his head, all I needed to do was bait him in, one step back and full force knee to the forhead ended it (I missed his nose on purpose, I wasn't trying to hurt him too bad, just stop him).

Thought has no place in a fight, neither does rage... action and re-action are the alpha and omega of any fight.

 

[Wyote]

For me at least, on the off chance I do fight (which is basically never) I go for the kill/disabling move right away. Every time I've been in a scuffle I've ended it immediately. The only time I've "lost" is when this huge guy tipped over my chair and ran off during an excersize in my shotokan class. Even then, he just ran off and I was fine. It just prevented my attack and allowed his getaway.

I agree it is how you fight, but I also agree discussing it is pointless. There are lots of variables. I'm just saying this because INFJs are capable of fighting with the same blood thirsty attitude. It can happen.

 

[sassafras]

I love how the only argument for the INFJs are either "you're just talking" or "we go into a cool rage thingy!"

No, if you look back, you'll see that I've pointed out several times that it's all just talk. And until you can come up with some sort of evidence or proof that what you're saying is true, that argument is very much the only valid one here.

Again, I repeat myself. We're theorizing about a physical contest without any statistics to compare and analyze. There are no verifiable pieces of information, and presently, all the case scenarios we've examined are variable and individual based. There hasn't been a control set in place to draw upon a reliable analysis. The most commonly used word in this thread has been "it depends." In all fairness, in all objectivity, "depends" is all we have to go on.

Besides, I don't think anyone would ever pucker up to admit they ever lost a fight, so even if we are to assume that all the information you're pulling from experience is true, it's still extremely biased and doesn't prove anything. I'd like to see someone pony up to describe a fight they lost with as much detail and as much objectivity as the fights they've described as won. Maybe that way, looking at two outcomes, we can compare what you did right in one fight, and what you did wrong in another. Case study based on individual. A lot more viable than writing cheques that quite possibly, your ass can't even cash, I think!

But I very much doubt that this is going to prove anything. This whole discussion has turned into a round-robin of one up manship.

 

[Creon]

haha Aw man this is gettin' better and better ahahopcorn:

 

[Bt4fl]

You know... this was suppose to be a thread about comparing the types agenst each other... not to argue about fist fights...

Diffrences in leading styles and what is more effective in what situation
Reactions to stressful events
Depth of personal understanding
Ability to learn
Ability to adapt
Hygine diffreances...

This thread should be a catch-all for disscusions about the diffrences in the two types, and between the diffrences, which works better in what situation.

I hope that after a good amount of disscusion, everyone could just agree that without both types, this world wouldn't be compleat.

Go! Disscuse! Stop this about a physical fight 'cuse it's pointless and compleatly off-topic... I won't have my thread hijacked into the wrong direction!!!!

 

[Blind Bandit]

Which is better?
Why?
Which would win in a fist fight?
Which is a better leader?
What problems are there with interations between both?
Other input/questions/rants/curses/monkey porn that you want to add in.

There, I made a (what I think is) an interesting topic.

AAAAANNNNNNDDDDD.....FIGHT!!!

If you didn't already notice You started this crap.

So ya....

 

[Shai Gar]

All I ever hear from ENTPs is about how badass they are.

I'm stating as fact who and what I am. I've no need to pussyfoot around things because I respect who and what I am. the parts I don't, well, I own up to them. Just because you choose to respect and desire to emulate the "bad ass" doesn't mean I am any less of one.

And to get back to the point. Don't under estimate a pissed off INFJ. Just because ENTPs like to play the alpha dosen't mean others won't come off and surprise you.

I don't play an Alpha, I play an Omega Male. I'm quite willing to go along with a group, but I refuse to be dominated.

That's all nice and wonderful, Shai, but you conveniently forgot to quote one very important point:

Talk is cheap.

That's why there's no point in discussing this. I can't prove you can't. You can't prove you can. Because we're all members of the Justice League behind our computer screens. Really.

See, that's very nice and all. But you conveniently forgot one thing. I don't care about proving anything. I am relating anecdotes that help to back up where I am coming from. You're the one who started this pissing contest at the level where I stopped chuckling over how fun and silly you guys were being and decided to throw my twenty dollars in.

 

[sassafras]

*throws popcorn at Creon* Shaddup, you!

Hey Oro, let's refresh our memory, shall we?

Which is better?
Why?
Which would win in a fist fight?
Which is a better leader?
What problems are there with interations between both?
Other input/questions/rants/curses/monkey porn that you want to add in.

There, I made a (what I think is) an interesting topic.

AAAAANNNNNNDDDDD.....FIGHT!!!

You ask the question, everyone latched onto it, and nobody started backing out until it became obvious it was futile to talk about it.

You know... this was suppose to be a thread about comparing the types agenst each other... not to argue about fist fights...

Diffrences in leading styles and what is more effective in what situation
Reactions to stressful events
Depth of personal understanding
Ability to learn
Ability to adapt
Hygine diffreances...

This thread should be a catch-all for disscusions about the diffrences in the two types, and between the diffrences, which works better in what situation.

Ah yes, a much more interesting discussion indeed!

Although, you might want to go back and edit your first post and clarify what you were really after. That fist fight thing was clearly a typo

Now that we've got all our cattiness out our system, let's get the party started for real realz.

 

[sassafras]

See, that's very nice and all. But you conveniently forgot one thing. I don't care about proving anything. I am relating anecdotes that help to back up where I am coming from. You're the one who started this pissing contest at the level where I stopped chuckling over how fun and silly you guys were being and decided to throw my twenty dollars in.

Ah, yes. And um, where did I start this 'pissing contest,' exactly? I do believe I've maintained my point throughout.

 

[Creon]

*makes popcorn* ..and she takes the bait...

Ah there, ready.opcorn: