Jesus said "No one can come to the Father except through me". Discuss.

Kmal said:
@alphawolf i implied that. it even implies that in the bible.
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Perls shall fall upon you, now and then.



./whoisgod.pl empathy



#!/usr/bin/perl -w

# Who is God? - whoisgod.pl


use strict;
require God;

my $diety = $argv[0];

my $god = God->new($diety) || die "Can not find God. Please create.\n";


unless($god)​
{
print "I am your Judge, Jury, and Executioner.\n";

die "braindead\n";
}
else
{
print "False idols do not exist. I love all of you.\n";

print "You're on the right track, baby.\n";

exit 0;
}

__END__

TODO: Create God.
 
[MENTION=849]alphawolf[/MENTION] you can please your self, others, or your God.
 
Kmal said:
@alphawolf you can please your self, others, or your God.
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I don't like to get too caught up in semantics, but they are important in this case: Pleasing your God is not mutually exclusive to pleasing yourself and others.

I love God. But as soon as somebody starts telling me where God lives, what God looks like, how God behaves, what book outlines God's word, etc, then I demote my assignment of that person's spiritual intelligence to zero.

Everybody has a right to choice, but when that choice has an embedded mandate to change others opinions then that choice is rabid in my opinion. Genius design, isn't it, philosophically speaking? Abrahamic religions have already considered the final argument as one of their tenants of faith. And now, Pennsylvania judges see the logic, too. It's simply viral.
 
alphawolf said:
I don't like to get too caught up in semantics, but they are important in this case: Pleasing your God is not mutually exclusive to pleasing yourself and others.

I love God. But as soon as somebody starts telling me where God lives, what God looks like, how God behaves, what book outlines God's word, etc, then I demote my assignment of that person's spiritual intelligence to zero.
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re: bolded: my point. mostly, pleasing your self is not pleasing God. mostly, pleasing men is not pleasing God.

to the 2nd paragraph: could it be where He lives for them? could they be showing you their spiritual world? should we demonize them for confident spiritual views? should we hate them, and call them stupid because they forcefully tell how they see the world, and God? could their spiritual world add on to yours, and help yours grow? or is yours already so vast you dont want their help, or even reject their help?
 
Kmal said:
re: bolded: my point. mostly, pleasing your self is not pleasing God. mostly, pleasing men is not pleasing God.

to the 2nd paragraph: could it be where He lives for them? could they be showing you their spiritual world? should we demonize them for confident spiritual views? should we hate them, and call them stupid because they forcefully tell how they see the world, and God? could their spiritual world add on to yours, and help yours grow? or is yours already so vast you dont want their help, or even reject their help?
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There are spiritual worlds, and then there is spiritual socialism.

In a spiritual world, one embraces empathy and feeling in order to guide one's decisions regarding how to live life and treat others. In spiritual socialism, one embraces urban myths and logical fallacies in a misguided attempt to become "righteous".

All are not created equal. I can design and build a better system than 97% of the people on this planet, the autistic can improve all of our lives with sheer and utter, focused brilliance, and the homosexual shows most of us straight people how to be more tolerant.

I do not hate anyone for their beliefs; I hate them for attempting to force their beliefs upon me. Live and let live.
 
alphawolf said:
Hell is not necessary.

Reward and punishment is a core feature of all Abrahamic religions, right along with the mandate to meddle and convert the unfaithful and the other-faithful. Abraham was a fucking nutcase who knew nothing about God.
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Live and let live, huh? You can create what better than 97% of what? Alpha what?

I personally think your approach to this conversation is a bit selfish. You don't know what Abraham knew: you might be so lucky. Don't drive your car into the arena and procede to run all over everyone you see. It tells me a lot of your self. You have spelled yourself out for all to see.

Care to communicate with me? Didn't think so.
 
alphawolf said:
There are spiritual worlds, and then there is spiritual socialism.

In a spiritual world, one embraces empathy and feeling in order to guide one's decisions regarding how to live life and treat others. In spiritual socialism, one embraces urban myths and logical fallacies in a misguided attempt to become "righteous".

All are not created equal. I can design and build a better system than 97% of the people on this planet, the autistic can improve all of our lives with sheer and utter, focused brilliance, and the homosexual shows most of us straight people how to be more tolerant.

I do not hate anyone for their beliefs; I hate them for attempting to force their beliefs upon me. Live and let live.
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You hate people. Where's the love?
 
Kmal said:
i'm not gonna summarize it up for you. if you dont try, you can remain ignorant. though, i encourage [MENTION=680]just me[/MENTION] and others to do so. its a perspective, a part of the Truth. God doesnt want you to just try to understand the christian perpective, He wants you to understand all the spiritual paths with an open mind and without judgement. God and the symbol of Christ is above the religion, the religion is just a means to attain the understanding. the Bible /= the religion. the religion isnt even of importance, the spiritual understanding is.
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You seem to know an awful lot about what God wants… which I should have expected, since it is sort of the common thread among a lot of Christians, in my experience. You're also presupposing the existence of 'God', who is male, and is most likely a large blue-eyed man with a flowing white beard who is looking down over all of his children from Heaven, a realm made of fluffy white clouds full of demure angels flying around with harps in their hands. How does believing in/following any of that stuff make you less ignorant than me? And if the religion itself isn't important, then why do you even identify yourself as a Christian?

Also, everything is a perspective. Not having any beliefs is a perspective. I don't think that perspectives are like puzzle pieces and then when you've collected them all and put them all together you end up with a picture of 'the truth'.

To be honest, I'm not completely sure why knowing a lot about all of the religions is any more 'truthful' than not knowing anything about anything. What about mentally handicapped people who can't really understand the Bible? What about people who are illiterate? Or who don't have the means to read about all the religions? What about animals? Aliens? Are they all going to hell?? Or are they just not as close to the truth as you are?

A lot of what you're saying seems to assume that there is some sort of 'goal' that everyone is supposed to be trying to reach, or like we're all supposed to be trying to make some sort of breakthrough where we finally 'understand'.

Has it ever occurred to you that 'the answer' or whatever might actually not exist and by participating in these convoluted belief systems you're actually just getting tied up in a meaningless distraction? And what does treating an obsolete set of rules, designed by and for an ancient society, as if they have any bearing on our current day actually amount to? It's sort of like sitting back and wondering what it would be like if dinosaurs still walked the Earth, isn't it?

I'm not saying that the history or mythology of the Bible isn't important or interesting, but to be honest a lot of the Christian philosophies are far from inspiring-- especially considering that they're predated by all of the great Greek philosophers. Assuming that people were unaware of these kinds of ideas before the arrival of Jesus is actually an insult to people. What Jesus said really isn't so revolutionary or profound… and to be honest, I can understand why the Jews don't exactly hold the man in high regard.
 
It'd be interesting to see what Jesus didn't say.. which is everything because there is no empirical evidence that he had actually ever existed. Sure there are verbal accounts, but for all we know, he is a folk tale comparable to Santa Clause.
 
just me said:
Live and let live, huh? You can create what better than 97% of what? Alpha what?

I personally think your approach to this conversation is a bit selfish. You don't know what Abraham knew: you might be so lucky. Don't drive your car into the arena and procede to run all over everyone you see. It tells me a lot of your self. You have spelled yourself out for all to see.

Care to communicate with me? Didn't think so.
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Sure I care to communicate with you. I was asleep!

To be point blank: I am not a christian. Nothing you or anyone else can ever say or do could possibly convert me to christianity. Additionally, I do not like it one bit when christians meddle into my life with the intent of converting me to christianity. I do not blame them personally; I blame the religion itself for being designed to contain rabid, viral tenants of faith. Out of the Abrahamic religions, only Judaism does not attempt to convert everyone they see and they are not even allowed to write the name of their God (pretty kind God, isn't it?). Islam and Christianity are both equally rabid religions and although our planet has held people for many tens of millions of years, people who loved one another, the viral rise of the Abrahamic religions during the past 2000 years will soon be the undoing of the entire human race. We will fall due to Shiite end game theology because they will go to all costs to pave their way for the Mahdi to rise.

All the love we have is in our minds. This is the apocalypse.
 
I find that some people believe that accepting another's worldview is akin to accepting it themselves, so they cannot be seen agreeing with it or someone might get the impression that they are being converted.
 
Matt3737 said:
I find that some people believe that accepting another's worldview is akin to accepting it themselves, so they cannot be seen agreeing with it or someone might get the impression that they are being converted.
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Can you accept my view?

Here it is.

There are many gods, many forms of God, but there is only one supreme being. The supreme being is also known as the supreme reality. The supreme reality lives right between your own ears, you just need to find a way to get past your own ego long enough so that you can discover the supreme reality and let it become your teacher. It taught me that it's real name is Empathy. It taught me that gods who have followers that want to kill those of other beliefs are not really gods at all. It taught me that most people are actually unwilling to discover the supreme reality, because there they also see all of their own pain, so they rather look for it as a ready-made product with a pre-existing social network. Have you ever been there in the room with the bright, white light, the room where seconds become centuries? That room exists in a distorted spacetime, a completely non-Euclidean spacetime, a spacetime where the grid is geodesic and the geodesic frequency can frequently change because the geodesic frequency is spacetime itself.

Savvy?
 
Matt3737 said:
I find that some people believe that accepting another's worldview is akin to accepting it themselves, so they cannot be seen agreeing with it or someone might get the impression that they are being converted.
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I think that it depends on what the worldview is, and whether or not it makes sense.

For example:

Do you believe that the last stop for the subway in Pyongyang is heaven? 25 million North Koreans do. That's a lot of people-- with that many believers, I'd say you could even call that personality cult a religion. Can you accept their belief as valid? Or do you just want to laugh out loud and then eventually stop laughing because it's actually not funny and is just really messed up?

I think that for the most part it's just unthinkable for people that a social control strategy could ever have become so important, so profound entrenched in Western culture… or could have inspired so many artists, writers, etc… I mean, why didn't someone do something? But it happened.

When North Korea collapses and rejoins the rest of the world, you're going to see 25/20 million people going through what Christians should be going through right now-- but they aren't because there's always 'well, it's a metaphor' or 'it's not meant to be taken literally', or 'six days is actually 5 billion years for God' or whatever...
 
alphawolf said:
Sure I care to communicate with you. I was asleep!

To be point blank: I am not a christian. Nothing you or anyone else can ever say or do could possibly convert me to christianity. Additionally, I do not like it one bit when christians meddle into my life with the intent of converting me to christianity. I do not blame them personally; I blame the religion itself for being designed to contain rabid, viral tenants of faith. Out of the Abrahamic religions, only Judaism does not attempt to convert everyone they see and they are not even allowed to write the name of their God (pretty kind God, isn't it?). Islam and Christianity are both equally rabid religions and although our planet has held people for many tens of millions of years, people who loved one another, the viral rise of the Abrahamic religions during the past 2000 years will soon be the undoing of the entire human race. We will fall due to Shiite end game theology because they will go to all costs to pave their way for the Mahdi to rise.

All the love we have is in our minds. This is the apocalypse.
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I must admit to be surprised at your response. The Shia intends to destroy what you and I know they will try to destroy. That has a lot to do with the stance of many regarding their nuclear program in Iran. Why blame the Abrahamic religions on Muhammed's anger against the Jews for not calling him a prophet of their God?
 
Apone said:
I think that it depends on what the worldview is, and whether or not it makes sense.

For example:

Do you believe that the last stop for the subway in Pyongyang is heaven? 25 million North Koreans do. That's a lot of people-- with that many believers, I'd say you could even call that personality cult a religion. Can you accept their belief as valid? Or do you just want to laugh out loud and then eventually stop laughing because it's actually not funny and is just really messed up?

I think that for the most part it's just unthinkable for people that a social control strategy could ever have become so important, so profound entrenched in Western culture… or could have inspired so many artists, writers, etc… I mean, why didn't someone do something? But it happened.

When North Korea collapses and rejoins the rest of the world, you're going to see 25/20 million people going through what Christians should be going through right now-- but they aren't because there's always 'well, it's a metaphor' or 'it's not meant to be taken literally', or 'six days is actually 5 billion years for God' or whatever...
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Have you met a North Korean before or discussed this viewpoint with one before? Making broad generalizations about a large number of people on a belief system you don't actually endorse is in all likelihood far off base and is biased to represent your own worldview, although I can understand your own viewpoint. I believe you mean to criticize the perception of dogmatic fundamentalism, but the irony is that you participate in a form of dogmatism whenever you engage another person on that level. Surely though, I think most anybody can agree to a general dislike of what appear to be aggressive expressions of dogmatic beliefs and carry such negative connotations. That we are able to find a middle ground to agree upon is part of what I meant to express by my comment.
 
Matt3737 said:
I believe you mean to criticize the perception of dogmatic fundamentalism, but the irony is that you participate in a form of dogmatism whenever you engage another person on that level.
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To be honest, I'm not really concerned about that-- it's sort of like an excuse to not be critical of anything. I bet that you're one of those people who thinks that there is no good or bad art, and that the free market should determine its inherent value as well.

So yeah, you're right-- I don't think that 'agreement' is always the best or most correct option. If you were arguing with a white supremacist, would you pull out the same argument and 'agree' that all of the other races are at least a little bit inferior?

I'm not saying that forms of Christianity can't be benign, but I am saying that once you strip away all of the absurdities it doesn't seem like you're left with a whole lot to hold onto
 
Apone said:
To be honest, I'm not really concerned about that-- it's sort of like an excuse to not be critical of anything. I bet that you're one of those people who thinks that there is no good or bad art, and that the free market should determine its inherent value as well.

So yeah, you're right-- I don't think that 'agreement' is always the best or most correct option. If you were arguing with a white supremacist, would you pull out the same argument and 'agree' that all of the other races are at least a little bit inferior?

I'm not saying that forms of Christianity can't be benign, but I am saying that once you strip away all of the absurdities it doesn't seem like you're left with a whole lot to hold onto… other than an excuse to socialize, I suppose.

And my point wasn't that I know all about North Korean society and have done extensive interviews and know for sure that each and every one of them really believes that stuff, it's that the stuff itself is absurd. I suppose that I could have tried to be more PC about it all, but it seemed to me like the best modern example of how societies can be forced to accept absurdities.
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Not at all. I'm a very critical person, but I choose to keep my criticism in balance by also being self-critical so that I might not become hypercritical of others. As you said, once the absurdities are removed what else to do other than socialize? For what would being hypercritical of others seek to accomplish? Converting others from their views? Validate one's own beliefs? There is room for both agreeing and disagreeing without one dominating the other.
 
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