Joe Rogans Spotify apology

I have next to zero patience for anyone who capitalizes on people's fears and ignorance to make a ton of money.

Initially when I learned of his podcast I was like, ok weird, the Fear Factor dude is talking on the internet. Early on he had a wider variety if people with diverse opinions and interesting conversation. Now he's started to drift in a specific direction with all the popular pandemic talking points and the content of the show, to me, is an obvious attempt to play to a specific audience.

It's entertainment, I get it, but when people start listening to his guests who are "experts" in whatever the fuck, it's a slippery slope. It's like Dr. Oz. Full of absolute shit to fertilize the money.
 
SpecialEdition said:
I have next to zero patience for anyone who capitalizes on people's fears and ignorance to make a ton of money.

Initially when I learned of his podcast I was like, ok weird, the Fear Factor dude is talking on the internet. Early on he had a wider variety if people with diverse opinions and interesting conversation. Now he's started to drift in a specific direction with all the popular pandemic talking points and the content of the show, to me, is an obvious attempt to play to a specific audience.

It's entertainment, I get it, but when people start listening to his guests who are "experts" in whatever the fuck, it's a slippery slope. It's like Dr. Oz. Full of absolute shit to fertilize the money.
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Honestly his DMT content is some of the best, a pop culture figure talking about life after death, ego death and what happens beyond just what we see. He managed to make it cool by talking about DMT elves and things like this, but he was asking bigger questions about life, this is what the world needs to stop taking life so seriously and start questioning why we are here or what knowledge you want to pass on to the following generation.
 
People can listen to his and other people's bs at their own risk and at this point if misinformation leads you to your doom, there's just apathy from my side.

At least my family and I are informed and capable of making reasonable choices. Everyone else. Eh. Live and let die I guess. I'm vaccinated and boosted, haven't gotten COVID and if I do and get ill I'll still know I did the best I could and wouldn't go down the rabbit hole of conspiratorial thinking. Not how my brain works.

It's very obvious what's good information vs what's not and it isn't to everyone then oh well. Not even worth my energy to argue with people about stuff.
 
The reality is that Joe Rogan used to moderate a show where people ate cockroaches.

If you take shit seriously from comedians then you got some issues. He's a fucking comedian, not some great Martyr for The Truth
 
@Wyote I didn't want to derail the other thread but it made me think in regards to private companies legally being able to deplatform people.

I recently learned that Spotify is a swedish company.... Which makes a LOT of sense now given Sweden's general cultural attitude.

I also recently learned that Neil Young has been pushing Amazon music as an alternative company to Spotify and he had plans to sell his music prior to a different company prior to all of this.

I find it interesting to see the cultural clash here.
 
slant said:
I find it interesting to see the cultural clash here.
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Mostly all celebrity "clashes" are just marketing power plays. It's kind of funny. They both won in this tbh.
 
slant said:
@Wyote I didn't want to derail the other thread but it made me think in regards to private companies legally being able to deplatform people.

I recently learned that Spotify is a swedish company.... Which makes a LOT of sense now given Sweden's general cultural attitude.

I also recently learned that Neil Young has been pushing Amazon music as an alternative company to Spotify and he had plans to sell his music prior to a different company prior to all of this.

I find it interesting to see the cultural clash here.
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A little over a year ago Young sold about 60% of the rights to his music catalog to Hipgnosis Song Management, which is owned mostly by the Blackstone Group (investment management company). In 2020, former Pfizer CEO Jeffrey B. Kindler became the senior advisor of the Blackstone Group. The drama looks like a $ win-win for everyone involved. Keep rockin in the free world
 
aeon said:
Inflation? Haha! No shit...80% of all USDs were printed in the last couple of years. Do you think you can do that with a fiat currency and *not* have disastrous inflation?
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It was when I studied private central banking that I realized The Big C Word (conspiracy) was factual and in a big, as in global, way. (Unfortunately.)

(By the way, it'd be more accurate to refer to them as notes, as in FRN's.)
 
AJ_ said:
A little over a year ago Young sold about 60% of the rights to his music catalog to Hipgnosis Song Management, which is owned mostly by the Blackstone Group (investment management company). In 2020, former Pfizer CEO Jeffrey B. Kindler became the senior advisor of the Blackstone Group. The drama looks like a $ win-win for everyone involved. Keep rockin in the free world
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Which means Young's investment behavior is the antithesis of the spirit of his music. I'm sure Blackstone has killed more people than Cortez ever could have imagined. (Here referring to Young's Cortez the Killer.)

Seems awful hypocritical.
 
slant said:
Thank you. This makes a lot of sense. So the idea is that people can't be trusted so we have to make decisions for them? Would that be a fair simplification? I'm not being condescending I understand the reasons why you're saying most people can't be trusted from this standpoint, I'm trying to see this from the other side, translate what the difference of values is here
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The only thing that makes sense is the realization that discerning truth is more than about IQ.

The reason I say this is because:
1) It is clear @aeon is extremely intelligent.

2) His position on the subject is close to completely erroneous.
 
Roses In The Vineyard said:
What I am hazing a hard time with why is the MSM not being held accountable despite countless examples of their abuses yet are given a free pass.

Here is some that immediately comes to mind and these are fairly old though while the past two years have been the most egregious.



This one is creepy as they come.
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Within the context that is the subject of Rogan's podcast (folks like McCullough and Malone), Madow is a great example. She referred to ivermectin as horse dewormer when it has been administered millions of times to humans. She also said hospitals in rural Oklahoma were over-run with folks who took the horse dewormer, which was a 100% blatant lie.

She never retracted. She should be in jail.
 
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Nixie said:
The reality is that Joe Rogan used to moderate a show where people ate cockroaches.

If you take shit seriously from comedians then you got some issues. He's a fucking comedian, not some great Martyr for The Truth
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I think a more balanced assessment would also consider the content that comes from his guests, rather than the content that comes from Rogan.
 
We should ask ourselves why is Joe Rogan so popular. I see that as a reflection of a wider trend. I see 2020s as a decade where faith in "authority" and "institutions" will be completely eroded. We see it in media, entertainment, international organizations (WHO, IMF, EU), even governments and nation states themselves.

People simply prefer more decentralized, peer-to-peer systems. Heck, we even see it in in adult industry. Sorry for a crude analogy, but people can't be bothered watching professional porn any more. Instead, they are willing to pay big money on websites like OnlyFans to get a more personal experience.

Covid is the final straw. People are tired of being told what to do by some men in suits. I am vaccinated but completely against any Covid passports and restrictions. I also don't see a need for a booster, given that Omicron is not scaring me at all.

TLDR: Peer-to-peer/open systems are gonna win against mediated/hierarchical ones. Joe Rogan already won, state media is simply fighting a futile and pathetic resistance.
 
o2b said:
Within the context that is the subject of Rogan's podcast (folks like McCullough and Malone), Madow is a great example. She referred to ivermectin as horse dewormer when it has been administered millions of times to humans. She also said hospitals in rural Oklahoma were over-run with folks who took the horse dewormer, which was a 100% blatant lie.

She never retracted. She should be in jail.
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Lock her up?

By Mathew Ingram
September 8, 2021
Last week, KFOR, a local news outlet in Oklahoma, published a story that contained some terrifying information: so many people in the state were hospitalized due to overdoses of ivermectin—a drug originally designed for horses, which some anti-vaccine sources have promoted (incorrectly) as a defense against COVID-19—that there was no room in intensive-care units for other patients, including those with gunshot wounds. The story contained quotes from an interview with Dr. Jason McElyea, a local physician, and was quickly picked up by a number of national outlets, including Rolling Stone magazine, the Guardian, Newsweek magazine, and Business Insider. A producer for MSNBC repeated the claim on Twitter (although she later deleted it), as did the Rachel Maddow show.

Not long afterward, the story started to spring some major holes. As detailed on Twitter by Drew Holden—a public-affairs consultant in Washington, DC, and former assistant to a Republican congressman—and by Scott Alexander on his popular blog, Astral Codex Ten, the first sign that all was not right came with a statement from a large Oklahoma hospital, which said that there was no bed shortage due to ivermectin overdoses, and that the doctor quoted in the KFOR report hadn’t worked there in months. Others pointed out that in his original interview with the Oklahoma news outlet, McElyea hadn’t said anything about ivermectin cases crowding out other patients, but that the initial story and subsequent coverage had linked separate comments about ivermectin overdoses and scarce beds.

The episode caught fire with right-wing Twitter trolls and conservative commentators, who represented it as yet another example of the mainstream media’s tendency to willfully publish news stories to either make citizens of rural areas look stupid, or to overstate the risk or frequency of non-mainstream COVID treatments. Many pointed to the tweet from the Maddow account as evidence that no one fact-checks their statements any more, especially when they serve the purpose of making right-wing anti-vaxxers and COVID denialists look bad. Others used the Rolling Stone story as an opportunity to revisit the magazine’s infamous 2014 investigative story on an alleged rape at the University of Virginia, which collapsed after statements made by the single source it was based on couldn’t be independently verified.
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https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/how-a-story-about-ivermectin-and-hospital-beds-went-wrong.php
 
^
BS
 
slant said:
Just a reminder that the topic isn't actually about covid but Joe Rogan and Spotify and what happened with that
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Cool. @slant.

Just an fyi that I thought covid was relevant to the topic because I don't think the Rogan stuff would have happened save for Rogan getting covid, responding to it with ivermectin (+ other stuff), and getting backlash such as from Madow.

Rogan seems like a Don't mess with me kind of guy.
 
o2b said:
Cool. @slant.

Just an fyi that I thought covid was relevant to the topic because I don't think the Rogan stuff would have happened save for Rogan getting covid, responding to it with ivermectin (+ other stuff), and getting backlash such as from Madow.

Rogan seems like a Don't mess with me kind of guy.
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It is relevant to a point so I'm not trying to censor you guys, I just see this spiralling potentially into a debate over covid itself if that makes sense. And this was not specifically directed at you or anybody else. I feel like the covid ideological debate spills onto all threads these days and it's a hot topic and related to all aspects of society at this point so I get why that's happening I just don't want it to hijack the topic
 
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