Joe Rogans Spotify apology

Wyote said:
What I'm saying is, his format is generally a deep dive into a specific person's ideologies/knowledge etc.
Guests from other episodes will serve as a counterbalance at times.
I like the deep dive because it really gives you a solid sense of the guest's train of thought.
I don't think he should change his format, but he should have more guests that specifically counter balance others.
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Yes this. And even though he's done it in the past, he should do it more often (have guests to specifically counter balance other guests). Especially to avoid shit like this.
 
acd said:
I'm not a fan and don't listen to him so it's really no skin for me if he changes nothing. I did happen to come across him acknowledging that his show could be more balanced and even embracing Spotify disclaimers on misinformation (of course he's got a $100m contract to think of lol). Whether he follows through with that we will see. I expected him to double down and play the victim in all this and I'm just surprised he hasn't.
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I'm not surprised at all. From what I know about him he doesn't seem the type to play victim at all. But thats just from my limited knowledge, I haven't researched him in detail or listened to a ton of his stuff. Its usually in passing while my bf listens (which used to be every day lol) and I liked how open-minded he is to opposing views (which is why I sorta am surprised about this whole uproar) and he's a wonderful conversationalist. There are plenty things I love about him, but I am sure if I dug around I'd find some shit I didn't like. But hell thats with anyone, hehe.
 
April said:
I'm not surprised at all. From what I know about him he doesn't seem the type to play victim at all. But thats just from my limited knowledge, I haven't researched him in detail or listened to a ton of his stuff. Its usually in passing while my bf listens (which used to be every day lol) and I liked how open-minded he is to opposing views (which is why I sorta am surprised about this whole uproar) and he's a wonderful conversationalist. There are plenty things I love about him, but I am sure if I dug around I'd find some shit I didn't like. But hell thats with anyone, hehe.
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Sorry I'm just a really cynical person lol. I found his response to all of this refreshing.
 
April said:
Especially to avoid shit like this.
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I don't think that's possible.
People will always create controversy whenever controversial topics are discussed.

He has always operated the way he does, but people's perception of him has shifted because of media outlets.

You simply can't avoid it if you are in the public eye in any way.
 
Wyote said:
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:tearsofjoy: He basically said what I said about the disclaimer and and what Wy said (that I definitely agreed with) that he should do opposing view episodes more often. I like that he also added the fact that the opposing view episodes should be done immediately after the first view.

But yeah I liked this, this is the Joe Rogan I know. :) Thank you Wy for posting it because I hadn't seen it yet.

The only misinformation that I see is people not understanding what JRE and Joe Rogan himself is all about, lol. It's literally just people talking to each other and sharing opinions and facts. And usually both sides to a topic has facts from research to support their claims, so I can understand it may look like they are trying to prove things are a certain way, but it's not like that at all. If it was, he would not allow the professional with the opposite view to share their facts on his podcast. But since he's Joe and he finds all sides interesting enough to discuss, he allows them all to support their claims from what I've seen.

This video just solidifies my respect for him. I don't know that I would call myself a "fan" because I don't actively seek to listen to him but I definitely respect him and have enjoyed his content before.
 
acd said:
Sorry I'm just a really cynical person lol. I found his response to all of this refreshing.
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No need to apologize! All opinions respected. And yes it was. :)
 
Wyote said:
I don't think that's possible.
People will always create controversy whenever controversial topics are discussed.

He has always operated the way he does, but people's perception of him has shifted because of media outlets.

You simply can't avoid it if you are in the public eye in any way.
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Yeah thats true. Very. When you have multiple people engaged in anything its gonna happen. But he can try to make use of the disclaimer and timing of the opposite views to help ease it. Not that it'll help much, lol.
 
Personally I don't fallow though in the past I've watched some of his content on youtube but that is that however this recent debacle is just ridiculous. Sometimes I got to wonder to myself if this planet or universe got switched out or something where before if one didn't like something they just avoided or ignored ect but these days people are just crazy. There really is no reason at all to censor anyone unless it is something clearly illegal like child porn or teaching people how to build bombs let alone some other insanity. As for Neil Young he is an old man and should know better which is sad as I do like his music.
 
I have heard the name, but I don't know who Joe Rogan is.

I don't think anyone should ever apologize for interviewing anyone about their opinions, beliefs, studies, etc.

As for misinformation, if you want someone to act as a public educator, you should be paying them with public money. If you simply don't like that they're delving into different people's opinions, don't listen.

On a final note, it seems especially fucking stupid for a country like the US, and Americans to be: 1. Curbing people's opinions, and 2. Doing it for health reasons. America is especially unique in two things: its obsession with free speech, and it's an advanced economy with extremely minimal public healthcare. It's a country which doesn't give a shit about health, but does give a shit about free speech. Any appearance of "caring about people's health" while limiting their speech is going to produce suspicion in a big chunk of Americans. Stop acting like you're dealing with Europeans.
 
I guess Spotify has a choice to make..music, or commentary of whatever kind...choose wisely
 
  1. humans have a median IQ of 100
  2. half of the world population has a 2-digit IQ
  3. everyone has an opinion
  4. not all opinions are equal, much less worth hearing, mine included
  5. identity politics and tribalism > rationality, logic, and science
  6. there is rabid anti-intellectualism in the United States (and to varying degrees elsewhere)
  7. cogent cognition is challenging for most
  8. magical thinking, denial, sublimation, and projection is easy for everyone
  9. human well-being, health, and happiness are not our priority
  10. “I got mine, Jack, you can fuck off” is the mantra of the individualism cult
  11. money is the arbiter of the manifested right, poverty the manifested wrong
  12. people love to be entertained by colorful charlatans
  13. people love to be dominated and dominate others
  14. people are willing to trade almost anything for psychological safety and comfort
  15. apologies are part of the public media script and part of big-money contracts
slant said:
The question is, when you see this story, what do you think it says about society's culture from your own perspective?
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That people will go about their business until they can’t. We are frogs in a pot of warming water, and one day, the water will boil. We have the new Omicron variants today, and we will almost certainly have a new epidemic in the next three years. Will it become a pandemic? We won’t change anything. Inflation? Haha! No shit...80% of all USDs were printed in the last couple of years. Do you think you can do that with a fiat currency and *not* have disastrous inflation? I’m not sure what will come next...economic collapse/collapse of the dollar, mass extinction that disrupts the food supply such that billions starve to death, new pandemic with the transmissibility of measles and a 70% mortality rate...I can imagine a lot of hellish dystopias, but all of them have one thing in common...they all arrive with a fat, complacent, yet agitated society that doesn’t give a fuck as long as it happens to someone else.

Cheers,
Ian
 
aeon said:
frogs in a pot of warming water, and one day, the water will boil.
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Out of everything you wrote I'm just over here stuck with imagining frogs in water as it heats up slowly to boiling. Cuz I'm sensitive and I feel sorry for the metaphorical frogs. :(

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I guess I can see the concern on the other side that he isn't covering both sides- because in fact, the reason most people listen to him is because they feel that the mainstream media is not covering both sides. And I think both opinions are actually right.

One side of me is like, Joe Rogan isn't a news show he is more of a conversation podcast/opinion podcast... Is it really his responsibility to show both sides? He isn't like Rachel Maddow or Bill Maher who are specifically news commentary shows. He does other non political stuff on his podcasts like WWE fight commentary and comedy discussion. So he's more of a personality show, if that makes sense?

But the amount of viewers he has,

"With great power comes great responsibility."

Right?

So, maybe just putting warnings before the podcasts are enough.

I think my feeling of injustice is I feel like the mainstream news isn't held to the same standard- like they don't have to give 5 hours to somebody who is controversial to explain things, but they will have the same amount of news coverage overall to the accepted view. Does that make sense? Maybe I'm not fully getting it.
 
April said:
Out of everything you wrote I'm just over here stuck with imagining frogs in water as it heats up slowly to boiling. Cuz I'm sensitive and I feel sorry for the metaphorical frogs. :(

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Then my choice of metaphor was good. We are those frogs.

It will just be normal until it isn’t. People will go to work for the last time, but they won’t know it was their last day.

Someone will go to the grocery for the last time. Someone will flush a toilet for the last time.

When systemic collapse happens, it will be orders more severe than we can imagine, and orders faster than we can imagine.

If it is currency collapse, or extinction event with food scarcity and starvation, mass murder will come no later than 72 hours.

Someone will hug and kiss their child for the last time, but neither will know that.

And people will cry “why didn’t we? we could have...” and on the second part they will be wrong.

On the first...because your child was worth so little. Money was more important to those who had power.

Lacrimosa,
Ian
 
aeon said:
Then my choice of metaphor was good. We are those frogs.

It will just be normal until it isn’t. People will go to work for the last time, but they won’t know it was their last day.

Someone will go to the grocery for the last time. Someone will flush a toilet for the last time.

When systemic collapse happens, it will be orders more severe than we can imagine, and orders faster than we can imagine.

If it is currency collapse, or extinction event with food scarcity and starvation, mass murder will come no later than 72 hours.

Someone will hug and kiss their child for the last time, but neither will know that.

And people will cry “why didn’t we? we could have...” and on the second part they will be wrong.

On the first...because your child was worth so little. Money was more important to those who had power.

Lacrimosa,
Ian
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Omg feels.
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