I know about their shape and history, they aren't too far away. Idk about their crime rates. I wouldn't expect it to be among the highest or the lowest, tbh. I imagine their government to be quite corrupt, so I trust their statics even less than our own. I haven't been to Serbia, I know only Serbians that live here. That's the only way I observe their culture first-hand.
Mass Shooting of Children - WTF?!?!
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Read my posts around the forum and it will add up to a lot of things pointing in one direction. What i'm very unlikely to acheive is to put enough evidence into one post that would instantly change your mind
You'd think there was a lot of information about all sorts of stuff but there isn't, doesn't mean it hasn't happened for example 'top secret undisclosed info'. Most of the mainstream media is centrally controlled; most of the chatter among the public will be about what's in the mainstream news so a lot of the noise is generated and steered by the central news agencies
Why does it?......maybe you have missunderstood the nature of a number of things?
You sound like you're not really willing to properly delve into any of this stuff? Perhaps you could post some evidence to support your arguments?
Put simply what is happening is:
A group of powerful bankers, businessmen and industrialists created and own the federal reserve bank. They created the Council on foreign Relations which maintains a strangle hold over the media in the US. They also set about shaping and controlling the education system
Perhaps you could look into the likes of the Rockefellers and J.P.Morgan, the warburgs, the Schiffs, the Rothschilds etc because these guys are the shadow government
No but unfortunatley there is one. For some insight into the role of psychiatry in the US i recommend you watch the documentary: the century of the self:
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-century-of-the-self/
If you are genuinly interested in knowing more about this then this is a good one to watch imo
It doesn't matter what you want to call it the fact remains that a cabal of powerful individuals and families run your country and are heavily involved in shaping the education system
The documentary 'the money masters' discusses this: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-money-masters/
Thats because enrollment at school went higher!
What you need to look at is the literacy rates of those enrolled at school not overall adult literacy rates
If by 'association' you mean powerful families intermarrying, conducting business together, setting up the federal reserve bank together, setting up the council on foreign relations together, setting up the Un together with a view to creating a one world government then yes they are guilty
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Yes, exactly.
Now, watch those who don't believe in good and evil squirm and try to come up with an explanation besides a broken conscience. That kid chose to mass murder little kids precisely because it IS evil.
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I'm not squirming a bit but think its sad that people are sooooo quick to create one, simple, easy go-to answer and label for an act like this. Evil begets evil, it isn't just created from nothing. So what actually caused this was the "evils" of society that trickled down to the gunmen's lives (abuse by parents, neglect by peers, medications from pharmaceutical companies and the greed that drives them to sell more and more drugs, lack of social support for people in need/stressed/ill, etc.) and eventually pooled up to a breaking point that ended like this.
Yes, I even mean the evils that most of us have probably committed at some point as well - you've heard of the Butterfly Effect, haven't you? How many times have all of us ignored a person begging for money on a street corner? How many times have we ignored someone in need? How many times have we, as a collective, voted against laws and legislation that would alleviate some of this suffering - how many times have we not voted, or abstained from a vote of that nature? How many times have we all turned our backs on someone and said, "not my problem"? How many times have our own self-absorption, greed, pride and egos interfered with benefiting other people, directly or indirectly?
The scary part is, it's the people who are the most self-absorbed raising hell about all of this. They're the first ones pointing fingers and getting into shouting matches on TV, radio, papers, and in person. As if a single brain cell in the deep recesses of their brain suddenly turned on and realized this, that's now causing them to be belligerently angry and redirect on everything around them.
It's that same anger in those people and others who feel "angry" about this situation that's going to come full-circle once again, to create more and more people like these gunmen. In short, Karma's a bitch!
I'll offer a prayer(meditation) but don't expect me to be outraged about something like this. I'd rather not contribute to creating more "evil" in the world like this than I'm sure I already inadvertently have in my life.
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I do when I come across them. I am also familiar with a vast array of conspiracy theories/theorists. Your arguments and evidence are still wholly unsatisfying and quite lacking.
.... But we're talking about giving children nation-wide a psychological evaluation that can be used to refer them for further analysis/treatment without their parents consent. The sheer odds that people, even if it's just on blogs on small corners of the internet, would not be talking about that are astoundingly small.
Have you even read the YRBSS survey or know anything about it? Do you know what a survey is? Do you know what a mental health screening is?
Or it could be exactly what I said. There's thoroughness, and then there's laboring in redundancy.
And I'm sorry I don't have a Youtube video with appropriate spooky music as "evidence", but I named the documents in question and finding them in google is pretty easy. Furthermore, you are the one making a positive claim (Illuminati Conspiracy exists), I am merely logically criticizing your evidence and claim. The philosophical burden of proof is on you.
Why? Because you say they are? That's a Just-so Story.
Actually, it does matter, because those are all logical fallacies and what you just did here was another Just-so Story.
As compared to what?
Guilt by association fallacy.
But yes, people who know each other and are friendly with each other do tend to intermarry and do business together and start projects with each other. Is nepotism a problem? Yes. Does this necessarily mean they're Illuminati trying to start one world government? That is when you start to make assumptions and that is where most of your fallacies stem from.
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You are still just giving opinion here! Keep following the posts and world events and lets see if we can make some sense out of them
You need to look at whether or not it has happened not whether or not joe shmo has been blogging about it!
I would love for you to explain to me the semantic difference between questioning children with a paper with 'screening' written at the top and a paper with 'survey' written at the top
You're posts are labouring in redundancy by offering nothing but opinion
Who cares about the music? Turn the sound off if its bothering you. Look at what is being presented.
You haven't named all the documents presented
You categorically don't think they are running your country? Ok thats the key thing that your whole perception is currently hinging on....
Are you aware that there are limitations to logical fallacies?
You need to compare the literacy rates of the people enrolled at school in the 1800's with the literacy rates of people enrolled at schools now
No its not. You really need to do some of the work yourself. If you are genuinly interested you won't mind doing this. Look into the Rockefellers for example. If you don't do this you will never get a more complete picture because these guys own the mainstream media and they will not spell this stuff out in their media. You have to be your own detective
Ok if you are genuinly interested then keep reading my posts. A picture will eventually emerge i promise you
Even if the picture doesn't emerge from what i'm saying the events occuring in the world will convince you in time, because the agenda is to have agenda 21 rolled out by 2060. To do this they are going to have to pull some pretty fast manouvres and they already are
They're going to crash the economy again and replace the currency with a new currency. The IMF already has special drawing rights so a currency is in lace to step in. Stay tuned for hyperinflation. It will occur in the UK first
Look out for new legislation like the NDAA that will bring in the police state. Look out for more surveilance technology online and irl
Watch out for tighter gun laws that will help disarm the US public
Please read the following quotes by many many people and see if you think the bankers aren't guilty by association but rather by admission!!!!!
'Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes it’s laws' Meyer Amschell Rothschild
"All the perplexities, confusions, and distresses in America arise, not from defects in the Constitution or confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, as much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation." - John Quincy Adams
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless." - Abraham Lincoln, from a November 21, 1864 letter to Colonel William F. Elkins
"Banks create credit. It is a mistake to suppose that bank credit is created to any extent by the deposit of money into the banks. A loan made by a bank is a clear addition to the amount of money in the community." - Encyclopedia Britannica, 14th Edition
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin. Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with the flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. Take this great power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. But, if you want to continue to be the slave of the bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers continue to create money and control credit." - Sir Josiah Stamp, President, Bank of England (2nd richest man in England)
"But if in the pursuit of the means we should unfortunately stumble again on unfunded paper money or any similar species of fraud, we shall assuredly give a fatal stab to our national credit in its infancy. Paper money will invariably operate in the body of politics as spirit liquors on the human body. They prey on the vitals and ultimately destroy them. Paper money has had the effect in your state that it will ever have, to ruin commerce, oppress the honest, and open the door to every species of fraud and injustice." , George Washington in a letter to Jabez Bowen, Rhode Island, Jan. 9, 1787
"By this means government may secretly and unobserved, confiscate the wealth of the people, and not one man in a million will detect the theft." - Lord John Maynard Keynes, "Economic Consequences of Peace"
"Capital must protect itself in every way. Debts must be collected, mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When through the process of law the common people lose their homes, they will become more docile and more easily governed through the strong arm of government applied by a central power of wealth under leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of capitalism to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd. It is thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves that which has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished." - U.S. Banker's Association Magazine, 1924
"Congress [not private banks] shall have the power to coin money and regulate the value thereof." - Article 1 of the U.S. Constitution.
Congressman Patman: "Mr. Eccles, how did you get the money to buy those two billions of government securities?" Eccles: "We created it." Patman: "Out of what?" Eccles: "Out of the right to issue credit money." - Testimony of Marriner Eccles, Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, before the House Banking and Currency Committee, 1941
"Every circulating Federal Reserve Note represents in actuality a one dollar debt to the Federal Reserve system." - Money Facts, House Banking and Currency Committee
"Every Congressman, every Senator knows precisely what causes inflation…but can't, won't support the drastic reforms to repeal of the Federal Reserve Act because it could cost him his job." - Robert A. Heinlein, Expanded Universe
"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its powers, but the truth is that the Federal Reserve System has usurped the government. It controls everything in congress and it controls all our foreign relations. It makes and breaks governments at will." - Louis McFadden, Chairman of the House Committee on Banking and Currency
"For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But he didn't. Most of his thoughts were carefully manufactured for him in advance by the Council on Foreign Relations One World Money Group. The United Nations is but a long range, international banking apparatus clearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One-World revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power. The One-World government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank." - Curtis Dall, Son-in-Law of F.D.R., 1936
"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller, Memoirs, 2002
"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance." - James Madison
"I am afraid that ordinary citizens will not like to be told that the banks can, and do, create and destroy money; and they who control the credit of the nation direct the policy of governments and hold in the hollow of their hands the destiny of the people." - R. McKenna, Chairman, Midland Bank London
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power of money should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." - Thomas Jefferson
"I have never seen more Senators express discontent with their jobs. I think the major cause is that, deep down in our hearts, we have been accomplices in doing something terrible and unforgivable to our wonderful country. Deep down in our heart, we know that we have given our children a legacy of bankruptcy. We have defrauded our country to get ourselves elected." - John Danforth
"I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world… no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men." - Woodrow Wilson
"If all the bank loans were paid up, no one would have a bank deposit, and there would not be a dollar of currency or coin in circulation. This is a staggering thought. We are completely dependent on the commercial banks for our money. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money, we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp upon the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible - but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it is widely understood and the defects remedied very soon." - Robert H. Hemphill, Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta
"If Congress has the right to issue paper money currency, it was given to them to be used by the government and not to be delegated to individuals or corporations." - President Andrew Jackson, Vetoed Bank Bill of 1836
"If ever again our nation stumbles upon unfunded paper, it shall surely be like death to our body politic. This country will crash." - George Washington
"If that mischievous financial policy which had its origin in the North American Republic [debt-free money] should become indurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without a debt to the International Bankers. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the civilized governments of the world. The brains and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe!" - Times of London newspaper, 1865
"If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched." - George H.W. Bush to White House reporter Sarah McClendon, 1992
"If two parties, instead of being a bank and an individual, were an individual and an individual, they could not inflate the circulating medium by a loan transaction, for the simple reason that the lender could not lend what he didn't have, as banks can do. Only commercial banks and trust companies can lend money that they manufacture by lending it." - Professor Irving Fisher, Yale University, in his book "100% Money"
"If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed." - Mark Twain
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie." - Joseph Goebbels
"If you want to make someone angry tell him a lie; if you want to make him furious, tell him the truth. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed , second it is violently opposed, and third it is accepted as self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860
"In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold. The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the 'hidden' confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights." - Alan Greenspan, Gold and Economic Freedom
"It does not take a majority to prevail… but rather an irate tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Founding Patriot Samuel Adams
"The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of inextinguishable debts." - Henry Ford
"It may appear that what goes on is happenstance, but the government most surely has planned it." - Franklin Roosevelt
"Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you."
- Pericles, 430 B.C.)
"Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States." , Sen. Barry Goldwater (Rep. AR)
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England… nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament , or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All we have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Herman Goering, Nuremberg Trials
"Neither paper currency nor deposits have value as commodities, intrinsically, a 'dollar' bill is just a piece of paper. Deposits are merely book entries." - Modern Money Mechanics Workbook, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, 1975
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge - even to ourselves - that we've been so credulous." - Carl Sagan
"Only the small secrets need to be protected. The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity." - Marshall McLuhan
"Our goal is gradually to absorb the wealth of the world." - Cecil Rhodes, "The secret banking cabal"
"Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation and I care not who makes the laws." Mayer Amschel Rothschild, founder of the Rothschild international Banking Dynasty, 1790
"Power concedes nothing without demand." - Frederick Douglass
"See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them; and gives it to persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay, for it is not only an evil in itself, but also is a fertile source for further evils, for it invites reprisals. If such a law is not abolished immediately, it will spread, multiply and develop into a system." - Frederic Bastiat
"Should government refrain from regulation and taxation, the worthlessness of the money becomes apparent and the fraud can no longer be concealed." - Lord John Maynard Keynes, "The Economic Consequences of Peace"
"Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are the United States government's institutions. They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign swindlers." - Congressional Record 12595-12603 June 10, 1932
"The bold effort the Second National Bank of the U.S. had made to control government and the distress it has wantonly produced are but premonitions of the fate that awaits the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it." - Andrew Jackson
"The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, so what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. They pull the strings and we dance." - John Swinton, New York Times Chief of Staff
"The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the principles and form of our Constitution. I am an enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but coin. If the American people allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." - Thomas Jefferson.
"The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." - Thomas Jefferson
"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government, all under their control. Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." - Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976
"The entire banking movement, at all crucial stages, was centralized in the hands of a few men who for years were linked, ideologically and personally, with one another." - Gabriel Kolko
"The eyes of our citizens are not sufficiently open to the true cause of our distress. They ascribe them to everything but their true cause, the banking system; a system which if it could do good in any form is yet so certain of leading to abuse as to be utterly incompatible with the public safety and prosperity. The Central Bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the principles and form of our Constitution." - Thomas Jefferson
"The Federal Reserve Act as it stands seems to me to open the way to a vast inflation of the currency. I do not like to think that any law can be passed that will make it possible to submerge the gold standard in a flood of irredeemable paper currency." - Henry Cabot Lodge Sr., 1913
"The Federal Reserve Banks are not federal instrumentalities." - Lewis vs. United States 9th Circuit 1992
"The Federal Reserve banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen. There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this nation is run by the International bankers." - Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Rep. Pa)
"The Federal Reserve bank buys government bonds without one penny…" , Congressman Wright Patman, Congressional Record, Sept 30, 1941
"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from either class." - Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863
"The financial system has been turned over to the Federal Reserve Board. That board administers a finance system by authority of a purely profiteering group. That system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money. This (Federal Reserve) Act establishes the most gigantic trust on Earth. When the president signs this bill, the invisible governments by the monetary power will be legalized. The people may not know it immediately but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed, the worst legislatives crime of the ages perpetrated by this banking bill." - Charles A. Lindbergh, Representative, MN
"The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity." - Abraham Lincoln
"The great mass of people will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one. What luck for rulers that men do not think." - Adolf Hitler
"The high office of President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom, and before I leave office I must inform the citizen of his plight. We are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence…" - John F. Kennedy at Columbia University, 1963
"The Illuminati bankers rule the world through debt, which is money they create out of nothing. They need world government to ensure no country defaults or tries to overthrow them. As long as private bankers, instead of governments, create money the human race is doomed. These bankers and their allies have bought everything and everyone." - Henry Makow
"The increase in the assets of the Federal Reserve banks from 143 million dollars in 1913 to 45 billion dollars in 1949 went directly to the private stockholders of the [federal reserve] banks." - Eustace Mullins
"The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People vs. The Banks." - Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875
"The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented." - Major L.B.Angus
"The real menace of our republic is this invisible government, which, like a giant octopus, sprawls its slimy length over city, state, and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen. At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties." - John F. Hylan, New York City Mayor, 1922.
"The regional Federal Reserve banks are not government agencies. …but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations." , Lewis vs. United States, 680 F. 2d 1239 9th Circuit 1982
"The study of money, above all other fields in economics, is one in which complexity is used to disguise truth or to evade truth, not to reveal it." - John Kenneth Galbraith, in his book "Money: Whence It Came, Where It Went", 1975
"The surest way to overthrow an existing social order is to debauch the currency." - Lenin
"The Trilateral Commission is international and is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power: Political, Monetary, Intellectual, and Ecclesiastical." - Barry Goldwater , U.S. Senator
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Menken
"This Federal Reserve Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President Wilson signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized. The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill." - Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. , 1913
"This truth is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of Capital to govern the world. By dividing the voters through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance. Thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves what has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished." - Sir Denison Miller
"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." - Benjamin Disraeli, First Prime Minister of Britain
"There is no more direct way to capture control of a nation than through its credit and money system." - Phillip A. Benson, President of American Bankers' Association, 1939
"They must find it difficult… those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority."
"They who have put out the people's eyes reproach them of their blindness." - John Milton
"The actual process of money creation takes place primarily in banks. Bankers discovered that they could make loans merely by giving their promise to pay, or bank notes, to borrowers. In this way banks began to create money. Transaction deposits are the modern counterpart of bank notes. It was a small step from printing notes to making book entries crediting deposits of borrowers, which the borrowers in turn could 'spend' by writing checks, thereby 'printing' their own money." - Modern Money Mechanics, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago.
"The Federal Reserve is answerable to no one." - Ronald Reagan
"The Great Depression was not accidental, it was a carefully contrived occurrence. The international Bankers sought to bring about a condition of despair here so that they might emerge as rulers of us all." - Louis McFadden
"The only thing that is necessary for evil to triumph is for men of good will to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace in a continual state of alarm (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing them with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken
"The youth who can solve the money question will do more for the world than all the professional soldiers of history." - Henry Ford Sr.
"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." - Henry David Thoreau
"There are two methods, or means and only two, whereby man's needs and desires can be satisfied. One is the production and exchange of wealth; this is the economic means. The other is the uncompensated appropriation of wealth produced by others; this is the banking and political means." - Albert Jay Nock
"To expose a 15 Trillion dollar ripoff of the American people by the stockholders of the 1000 largest corporations over the last 100 years will be a tall order of business." , Buckminster Fuller
"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government." Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991
"Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools that don't have brains enough to be honest." - Benjamin Franklin
"Very soon every American will be required to register their biological property in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will affect our security as a charge back for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer being able to work and earn a living. They will be our chattels (property) and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading (Birth Certificate) to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debts to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap us huge profit beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud, which we will call 'Social Insurance'. Without realizing it, every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and we will employ the high office (presidency) of our dummy corporation (USA) to foment this plot against America." - Colonel Edward Mandel House
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More shootings, this time at a mall parking lot in California and in a hospital in Alabama.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/16/278343/new-shooting-in-california-shocks-us/
This seems a bit... much, don't you think?
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/16/278343/new-shooting-in-california-shocks-us/
This seems a bit... much, don't you think?
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What makes very little sense to me is that there's no information on this kid, not even a current picture. His brother says he hasn't spoken to the kid in years, but then how did he have his ID on him so the police would accuse the wrong brother? Also, how does a kid with social dysfunction have a girlfriend who has gone missing? There's a lot of fishiness in the articles that the press has released.
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And there was a fellow that flipped out in a trailer park, killed his family...shot it out with police at two roadblocks, then was gunned down. Happened the same day as the hospital.
Staying home feels nicer and nicer for some reason. I'm tired of my state being first in things it is first in.
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They've actually posted descriptions of the victims online… talking about their lives and such.
I have to admit, I cried… maybe because I actually used to teach kindergarten and I can imagine how the teachers must have felt, and how the students would have been acting as well… some of them probably wouldn't even have understood what was really going on.
I know that the guy was sick and all, but why did he have to go after 6 year olds? At that age, even the troublemakers and bullies are adorable. Those kids could have been absolutely anything. I can't even imagine how a human being could actually get to the point where they were capable of doing something like that. I guess you always want to assume that other people, no matter how dark or fucked up they may seem, at least won't go after kindergarten students.
Whatever it is that may have caused this person to do this needs to be addressed… I don't think it's the guns, I think it's his condition. They need to figure out what turned him into this and make sure that it never happens to anyone ever again.
I have to admit, I cried… maybe because I actually used to teach kindergarten and I can imagine how the teachers must have felt, and how the students would have been acting as well… some of them probably wouldn't even have understood what was really going on.
I know that the guy was sick and all, but why did he have to go after 6 year olds? At that age, even the troublemakers and bullies are adorable. Those kids could have been absolutely anything. I can't even imagine how a human being could actually get to the point where they were capable of doing something like that. I guess you always want to assume that other people, no matter how dark or fucked up they may seem, at least won't go after kindergarten students.
Whatever it is that may have caused this person to do this needs to be addressed… I don't think it's the guns, I think it's his condition. They need to figure out what turned him into this and make sure that it never happens to anyone ever again.
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My opinion on that is that he was misdiagnosed with Aspergers and probably actually had some form of Avoidant Personality Disorder with some Anti-Social Disorder tendencies. I could see how some characteristics of Avoidant Personality Disorder could be confused for some aspects of Aspergers. Or perhaps he had a combination of all three, but I have a hard time believing that someone who could go into a school and shoot a bunch of children doesn't have some sort of socio/psychopathic tendencies. Hard to say, but I definitely don't think this merits fear of people with just Aspergers. Would be difficult to convince the general public of that though, thanks to the media, *eyeroll*.
I have to wonder, if he'd been correctly diagnosed and given therapies early on, if this could have been completely avoided. His family dynamic should have been a clue too that something's not right...his father was basically absent, aside from providing for him monetarily, a brother who hasn't spoken to him in years, and his mother who was so paranoid of the government and social discord that she collected several guns, it all makes me think that there was some major dysfunction going on there. I suppose he was probably either bullied or ignored as a child too.
I think better mental health interventions early on for these people would do wonders more than gun control. If not guns, it would be knives (the incident in China is a good example), if not knives, it would be baseball bats or chainsaws or whatever. IMO, outlawing guns isn't going to stop psychopaths from committing atrocities.
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This is my first day off in a long time and I'd like to post some thoughts and quotes here... I don't have time to read the entire thread....so I hope I don't bore you with the same stuff...
When I read the news I tried to hold back the tears.... They came while I was driving down south Jersey. I kept reflecting on how the pain and anguish of one was right now rippling and expanding out into the world...multiplying the pain and anguish of probably tens of thousands of people. I thought about that Energy....the power of it as it activated people's fear and anger and how that too was now rippling outward to trigger it in others. Including my own.
I cried for my world. I cried for my people. I cried for those families who will be forever deeply scarred with pain and fear. I am told...and have witnessed it...that the loss of one's child is the worst of all to bear. It weighs upon the parent's shoulders as if to chain them to that moment in time. I cried for them.... I cried for those who tried to prevent this travesty and could not. I cried for their guilt they will carry within them for a long time.
When one practices sending loving kindness and peace out into the world the first step is let go of the ego's thinking and the emotions that accompany those thoughts. It took me a long time before I could reach that place in me in order to do the practice. All I could think of was the loss of those young hearts and minds and the innocent joy they bring into the world just by being here.
And I thought about how now - people would harden their hearts - and demand action to "save us" from our selves and how the whole damn problem would be perpetuated still.
So I began telling people who were (and are) willing to talk - to let your self cry about this horrible tragedy. I urged them - and you guys too - to let your heart soften and feel the pain. It is incredibly important that we stop this madness of putting ourselves behind walls and barricades - this hardening of our hearts - and cutting ourselves off from each other in fear. We can play a role in helping people open up to their griefs and their fears.... to encourage this to come up and out of people so it doesn't weigh them down in chains of unspoken and unresolved emotions.
I realize you need to do it for your self first and I heartily encourage you to do so. Take time for your self and allow those emotions to flow. I know you're appalled and perhaps in shock at it all. But when those feelings come - please let them flow up and out of you. It is the way we heal. Talk to someone about it who will let you cry. This promotes the healing too.
We must take a step back from the mire of blame - so we can see the myriad parts of a complicated and insane system that our society embraces. Focusing upon only one part of the system - like banning guns - or locking the "crazies" up in prison - will not solve the problem. It only creates more. It's like putting dirt on only one part of disintegrating dam.... eventually the force of the water will break through.
When you hear other people ranting and raving about control of one kind or another - encourage them to see their fears woven in the rant. Maybe that might lead to some kind of understanding. At least it will redirect their anger emotions which stops it feeding into the whole collective energy of anger.
On my facebook I tried to get people to consider the fact the person who killed those children probably has a mental illness. Instead of banning guns - I tried to get people to understand how our society really does not promote methods to heal mental illness. The majority are given pills - taught a few coping and job skills - then told to suck it up and get a job. It worked for at least one woman as she posted the following link on her facebook page. http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.com/2012/12/thinking-unthinkable.html
This blog article demonstrates the burden of living with someone who somehow ended up with a mental condition that creates fear in their entire family. There are also some statistics I found surprising.
I sincerely wish you some peace of mind today.
Namaste'
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In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness.
Three days before 20 year-old Adam Lanza killed his mother, then opened fire on a classroom full of Connecticut kindergartners, my 13-year old son Michael (name changed) missed his bus because he was wearing the wrong color pants.
“I can wear these pants,” he said, his tone increasingly belligerent, the black-hole pupils of his eyes swallowing the blue irises.
“They are navy blue,” I told him. “Your school’s dress code says black or khaki pants only.”
“They told me I could wear these,” he insisted. “You’re a stupid bitch. I can wear whatever pants I want to. This is America. I have rights!”
“You can’t wear whatever pants you want to,” I said, my tone affable, reasonable. “And you definitely cannot call me a stupid bitch. You’re grounded from electronics for the rest of the day. Now get in the car, and I will take you to school.”
I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me. ""
When I read the news I tried to hold back the tears.... They came while I was driving down south Jersey. I kept reflecting on how the pain and anguish of one was right now rippling and expanding out into the world...multiplying the pain and anguish of probably tens of thousands of people. I thought about that Energy....the power of it as it activated people's fear and anger and how that too was now rippling outward to trigger it in others. Including my own.
I cried for my world. I cried for my people. I cried for those families who will be forever deeply scarred with pain and fear. I am told...and have witnessed it...that the loss of one's child is the worst of all to bear. It weighs upon the parent's shoulders as if to chain them to that moment in time. I cried for them.... I cried for those who tried to prevent this travesty and could not. I cried for their guilt they will carry within them for a long time.
When one practices sending loving kindness and peace out into the world the first step is let go of the ego's thinking and the emotions that accompany those thoughts. It took me a long time before I could reach that place in me in order to do the practice. All I could think of was the loss of those young hearts and minds and the innocent joy they bring into the world just by being here.
And I thought about how now - people would harden their hearts - and demand action to "save us" from our selves and how the whole damn problem would be perpetuated still.
So I began telling people who were (and are) willing to talk - to let your self cry about this horrible tragedy. I urged them - and you guys too - to let your heart soften and feel the pain. It is incredibly important that we stop this madness of putting ourselves behind walls and barricades - this hardening of our hearts - and cutting ourselves off from each other in fear. We can play a role in helping people open up to their griefs and their fears.... to encourage this to come up and out of people so it doesn't weigh them down in chains of unspoken and unresolved emotions.
I realize you need to do it for your self first and I heartily encourage you to do so. Take time for your self and allow those emotions to flow. I know you're appalled and perhaps in shock at it all. But when those feelings come - please let them flow up and out of you. It is the way we heal. Talk to someone about it who will let you cry. This promotes the healing too.
We must take a step back from the mire of blame - so we can see the myriad parts of a complicated and insane system that our society embraces. Focusing upon only one part of the system - like banning guns - or locking the "crazies" up in prison - will not solve the problem. It only creates more. It's like putting dirt on only one part of disintegrating dam.... eventually the force of the water will break through.
When you hear other people ranting and raving about control of one kind or another - encourage them to see their fears woven in the rant. Maybe that might lead to some kind of understanding. At least it will redirect their anger emotions which stops it feeding into the whole collective energy of anger.
On my facebook I tried to get people to consider the fact the person who killed those children probably has a mental illness. Instead of banning guns - I tried to get people to understand how our society really does not promote methods to heal mental illness. The majority are given pills - taught a few coping and job skills - then told to suck it up and get a job. It worked for at least one woman as she posted the following link on her facebook page. http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.com/2012/12/thinking-unthinkable.html
This blog article demonstrates the burden of living with someone who somehow ended up with a mental condition that creates fear in their entire family. There are also some statistics I found surprising.
I sincerely wish you some peace of mind today.
Namaste'
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In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness.
Three days before 20 year-old Adam Lanza killed his mother, then opened fire on a classroom full of Connecticut kindergartners, my 13-year old son Michael (name changed) missed his bus because he was wearing the wrong color pants.
“I can wear these pants,” he said, his tone increasingly belligerent, the black-hole pupils of his eyes swallowing the blue irises.
“They are navy blue,” I told him. “Your school’s dress code says black or khaki pants only.”
“They told me I could wear these,” he insisted. “You’re a stupid bitch. I can wear whatever pants I want to. This is America. I have rights!”
“You can’t wear whatever pants you want to,” I said, my tone affable, reasonable. “And you definitely cannot call me a stupid bitch. You’re grounded from electronics for the rest of the day. Now get in the car, and I will take you to school.”
I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me. ""
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Or people are going to start demanding that people with cognitive abnormalities be put on government mandated medication or all citizens go through mandatory psychiatric screening and we all get to live in a highly medicated world of Equillibrium, except without guns. Only the government and military officials carry guns.
This is beyond ridiculous. What the fuck is going on with the world? I'm all for gun registry and taking steps toward positive mental health, but it seems like these events are prompting people to call for extremist measures. It's also more than a little suspect to me that we're being hit so hard with all these random, unrelated psychos and it's all happening in one week across the country.
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I took an abnormal psychology class, and I remember that the professor said that something like 40 % of Americans believe that the mentally ill caused their own illness, and then a certain percentage of that 40 % believe it’s from “sinful behavior” lololol. I think our culture of “rugged individualism” is especially hard on the mentally ill. I’m not saying let’s feel sorry for these people who’ve done horrible things, but we should try to figure what’s pushing them over the edge obviously. We have this idea in America that all you have to do is “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” and everything will be fine. Maybe for some people, but obviously some people are dealing with more problems than others that are a result of genetics and/or being raised in a dysfunctional environment that failed to meet their basic needs.
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My old friend Hicks and I talked about a similar thought arc last night. This was after the running gunfight through my home county and the gunman that showed up at the hospital. I'd say to anyone having to move through public be very very aware of what is going on, people without a history of mental health problems can get their switches flipped too....reading body language can go a long way towards avoiding or neutralizing a situation before it boils out of control.
I certainly hope not. I wonder if I can get undiagnosed?
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I can understand how this tragedy came to be, though I don't quite know how to explain it. There is no singular or simple reason for it. It's an over-arching pattern of many things. But in the end it comes down to an over-powering urge. I would try to explain it but, A - I feel that I am often easily misunderstood and B - I fear that I might be persecuted for trying to share something that people might not want to understand.
[MENTION=2578]Kgal[/MENTION] has the right idea though:
NOTE: I am not condoning this person's actions. If he were alive, I'd say that he deserves to be shot. Don't care what problems he has.
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I used to think it might be better to put these kinds of people "down" and out of their misery....for surely they are pained and broken as a human being. No matter what our society has done for or against them ....there is no relief for them - yes?
But as I've gone on down my path - I realize now that is not my place to contemplate such deeds. These acts are a clear sign and signal to us in our society that we are doing something terribly wrong. In one weird perspective I see this act as a kind of sacrifice in order to draw attention to - to draw our eyes to - to the insanity of our culture.
Take for example video games which teach people how to kill...to be rewarded for killing. Most children are exposed to this starting at an early age.
Wars glorify the hero... and his skill in killing.
Our nations leaders choose to go to war just because of greed. They kill and main their own to justify their needs and we accept it to justify our fear for our survival.
We are pitted in competition against one another for jobs - for money - for land - for decent food.
We grow livestock in inhumane conditions and kill them in terrifying ways. (I know this because I used to part of the system). Can you imagine the levels of fear chemicals in that meat when it is packaged and sold to you in the stores? That then goes into the human body.
Teratogens such as mercury (causes mad hatters disease = insanity) is used as preservatives for the majority of vaccines.
Mercury is a byproduct pollutant of our electrical generating plants which burn coal. In the years of the Bush reigns (both Dad and Junior) they mandated all new electrical generating plants be run on coal. (It's abundant in the state of TX). We breathe this every day.
What do you expect to be the results of the fact we are poisoning ourselves?
Murder is as murder does.
I choose to stop thinking that way.
I agree with you for the most part. But you are a better person than I to not condemn the assailant. I only condemn him for killing little children. As bad as it is to say, I would be completely indifferent if it were adults or teenagers.
I don't blame him as a person. Nor do I blame his mental illness. To me, there is no one thing to blame. It's about a vast series of interconnected triggers that created this unfortunate tragedy. Of which, I think never should have come to be in the first place.
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I do not see myself as a "better person" than you. I see us as in different places in our lives. I see you as bringing a different perspective to the round table of discussion. That's all. There is no "better" or "worse than" in any of us. Only life circumstances who shaped us this way.
There is another difference between us as well...and that is I see us as all being part of a whole. What the killer did to those children is in a way a part of myself doing it to myself. How is that possible that I would kill innocent children - I ask myself? It is the current paradigm I am wrestling with and I surely hope I come to understand it before I die.
Do I see the killing of innocent children as an atrocity? You betcha. I initially reacted in horror and pain. Would I want to be part of a team that comes up with a way to prevent it? Hayell yes. But condemning the killer does not help me see with clarity. The emotions that come with that sort of judgment clouds my sight. And any "solutions" I come up with would be integrally woven with - and therefore limited by - that judgment.
We don't need any more limited thinking these days... We need "outside of the box" thinking.
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See, this is why your entire argument is made up of fallacies. Your entire argument is hinging on a fallacy of presumption. You assume the conclusion is in the proof, but it is not. If anything, you are the one arguing from a point of opinion, that this evidence inherently means that there is an Illuminati conspiracy for One World Government, but your evidence is not... well... self-evident. I have never offered opinion on your evidence or what it means, merely criticized your interpretation of the evidence as being very presumptuous and based on faith. Your arguments are fallacious and built entirely on Just-so Stories and guilt by association with some No True Scotsman peppered throughout for flavor both direct and implied ("if you really care about this you'd watch the same propaganda I do and start to think the same way I do"). If you don't know the difference between a survey and a mental health screening there's a little search box in the upper right hand corner of your screen that I find very useful sometimes.
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