Mass Shooting of Children - WTF?!?!

[muir]

I don't think it was some kind of government plot but I am curious if he was on antidepressants.

No doubt. the follwoing clip lists previous shooters on anti depressents and talks about changes in our schools:

[video=youtube;eZJoCfgAEuE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZJoCfgAEuE&feature=player_embedded[/video]

 

[Vanixaria]

All I could think of to do:
This morning is quiet, a soothing blanket of cloud over a nation
Comforting all as our hearts break in unison
And I, like other mommies and daddies can only let out a deflating sigh
Then I close my eyes, swallow the tears, and look up toward the sky:

"Thank you," I whisper, to the ears that always hear me
"Thank you, for the gift of tiny little blessings.
Thank you for granting me the time to borrow your angels
That I might learn the love you show for all of your own children."

Overwhelmed with gratitude, to believe I am thought worthy of this charge
To be given beautiful, innocence, and unconditional love to guard
I have grown harder and apathetic as my years grew older
My dreams, my love, my trust a little colder.

But from the Heavens came such blinding love
Wrapped up in blankets from the clouds above
And I remember the purity of a child's touch
The awe, and wonder, excitement to play so much

I came alive the day I was given such a great prize
To experience Heaven's wisdom behind a child's eyes
So much to learn from the mouths of babes
Too much harshness in the world today

When first I was a mother, I thought I would teach
But its the children, through their actions the Heaven's reach
As we get older, we detach, lose faith
But within our children, residing grace

"Oh, God, I am blessed!" I praise as I fall to the ground
and my heart burns a flame of love unbound
"Thank you, so deeply from my heart, to have allowed me to see
For all the little angels, skipping on playgrounds around me."

I know at this moment that I was never the teacher or guide
it has been the children, their minds so strong and wise
The youngest of humankind show me where the truth lay
By loving so freely, and laughing - to play.

Epiphanies as this began with one named, Mary
And in her heartache, did we not find sanctuary
Children are borrowed blessings on this Earth
To show us, through our love for them what we are worth.


Best I could do...

 

[Trifoilum]

At some point I selfishly wonder which is more heartless;

being fixated over other people's pain or looking at them and deciding "meh, not my business, best go on with my day".

Nevertheless, none of this should happen.

there are Christmas presents that are now never going to be opened by who they were meant for

Christmas presents. Easters. Thanksgiving dinner with one empty chair. Graduation pictures, all unmade.
So many memories, potentials, all unmade.

How do you write an obituary for a 5-year-old? Then how do you write 19 more?

 

[Lady of the Garden]

This has been going on in the world for a long time now. Massacring of innocents. After I ask the question "why did this happen?" ....I settle on this question...."what can I do?" This is where I rest after hearing of these senseless murders. And to be honest, I feel overwhelmed with being so small and wishing I was much bigger.

 

[Azazel]

I woke up today and took a newspaper. The info differs from the U.S. link I had read yesterday night, when the events had occurred on your side of the world. I guess I have to google more today because I'm confused. So was his mother a teacher or she wasn't? I've read yesterday that it was like this: he had a fight with a principal, shot the principal, went to the classroom, shot his mother who was a teacher and many kids, then he shot himself. Today I read: he went to the principal, shot the principal, shot the unknown teacher and kids, he was shot by the police, they found his mother dead at home. The info is quite a stretch... Which leads me to: I have to google now.
They also wrote that someone says he was an Aspie :S Amazing... now all Aspies and the whole autism spectrum will be seen as something violent and to be scared of, I'm afraid. Before it was about video games, now I guess it's about Asperger's(?) :/
If he's in his 20s what did he do at the principal office? How is it a guy can come to school so randomly in a bullet-proof vest with guns? The last thing I cannot fathom... I thought they have some kind of security at school, they'd check random people (=not students), no?

P. S.
I couldn't watch a video posted here in OP because I was on my phone and not it doesn't work for me.


Edit: If he was endlessly frustrated with humanity wouldn't he shot adults in the streets, in the malls, police, etc.? Why little children, for f's sake?! It doesn't make any sense to me. I also wonder if he was medicated with anything... When you stop your antidepressants you're quite likely to fall back even worse.

 

[tfg345i4u5lw]

I believe it was staged. Once they take away your rights to bear arms; you open the door to a police state. The fear helps pass the laws that can easily allow the government to come in and search your homes and property at will. It's really not that shocking. Americans seems to be shocked at these notions but other countries have practiced this type of political maneuvering for decades.

Fascinating, today the PD in my area are starting a gun buy-back program. Offering $200 per firearm, up to 3 firearms per person. They are using the recent incident as an optimal time to run the program and "get guns off the streets".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/bay-area-gun-buyback_n_2304231.html

 

[Faye]

@Ada

What I read is that his mother had been a teacher at the school, but she was found dead in her home. The guns belonged to her.

I read that he shot a bunch of random students and teachers, and then he shot himself. No police officers fired any bullets- it was too late when he got there because it happened so fast.

This entire affair is horrid. I've always worried that something this bad would occur, and now it has.

And yes, he apparently had aspergers, and now people are going to start being afraid of aspergers the same way they are with schizophrenia and manic bipolar.

I also read that he carried his brother's identification on him, which caused some confusion for the police and media at first who incorrectly reported his brother's name.

Everything I read could be wrong, but I saw it on CNN or NPR.

 

[Azazel]

[MENTION=834]Dragon[/MENTION] , thanks for clarification! I just started to get confused. The whole thing is so horrid and at the same time seems so random at this point... So I guess he shot his mother at home too? I've read his brother got arrested or something, which explains it if that guy had a false identification on him.

I wonder how many people haven't heard of Aspergers before until this....

So do they sell guns in abundance now or will the laws will be stricter? Tbh, the guns freak me out when I think how many people one could kill in a short period of time... just if it gets in the wrong hands.

 

[Faye]

I wonder how many people haven't heard of Aspergers before until this....

So do they sell guns in abundance now or will the laws will be stricter? Tbh, the guns freak me out when I think how many people one could kill in a short period of time... just if it gets in the wrong hands.

Most people have not heard of it, so this will probably be their first and only association with the term. The guy supposedly was diagnosed with 'personality disorders' as well. I'm curious what specific medications he was taking, if any.

They sell guns in abundance, and I don't think the laws are going to get much stricter. The U.S. has the most guns per 100 people in the world by a wide margin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

As of 2007, we had about 30 more per 100 people than Serbia, which is second.

 

[Skathac]

Friggin insanity. Gonna have to go get another pistol permit. This subject is all I talked about for eight hours straight while I was at work...every other customer wanted to talk about it. Left me completely drained emotionally by the end of my shift. The horrors human beings can visit upon one another, there really are no boundaries except imagination.

 

[Azazel]

Most people have not heard of it, so this will probably be their first and only association with the term. The guy supposedly was diagnosed with 'personality disorders' as well. I'm curious what specific medications he was taking, if any.

They sell guns in abundance, and I don't think the laws are going to get much stricter. The U.S. has the most guns per 100 people in the world by a wide margin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

As of 2007, we had about 30 more per 100 people than Serbia, which is second.

I guessed about the USA but I had no idea Serbia was the second... A reason to be a little nervous, I guess. But it makes sense to me now.

 

[MrDoobie]

No doubt. the follwoing clip lists previous shooters on anti depressents and talks about changes in our schools:

Correlation is not causation. How can we be sure it was the anti-depressants that cause children to commit suicide or hurt other children. How about the idea that the types of people who kill themselves or others are troubled, and troubled people are more likely to be depressed, and thus, are more likely to be on anti-depressants?

Your video is not an accurate representation of the reality of public schools and it makes me wonder if the person who created it has ever even been to a public school or if he has children in it, as it seems the public school he knows is merely a fantasy strawman he's concocted after reading too many far-right blogs. The idea that kids are not even expected to spell or perform basic math correctly is utterly ridiculous.

As an Early Childhood Education Major, we are actually stressed to try and form a working relationship with the parent and the law favors the rights of a parent to raise their child the way they want over pretty much anything else. In order to do a school-wide psychological screening, we would have to obtain parental permission.

Psychologists are not allowed to prescribe medicine, they do not have the proper certifications, and certainly a school psychologist would not be allowed to prescribe anything. They can recommend to a parent that their child see an outside psychologist and/or psychiatrist, but then it comes down to the parents choice.

Overall, the video was a vast oversimplification of the issue of education into a black-and-white us vs. the Illuminati struggle. There are problems with the public school system, but this video did not point out any of them.

 

[Vanixaria]

I've been listening and reading all morning about the why's and how's and theories. I have read references to other shootings throughout the past 13 years, and how it all seems new to people. The sad realization that I have is that this isn't a new phenomenon. Degradation of the human race by its fellows has been ongoing, since Cain and Abel (philosophically speaking). I don't understand why human beings do this, at least when chimpanzees or other animal species have the reasoning of preservation of genes or dominance. I'm not sure what the human condition is on such violence. I have known many people who have thought of killing someone - myself included when I was a teenager - and one thing continuously presents itself in my thoughts: detachment. Mass shooters or murders in general no longer see a person with a soul, or a heart, or a mind. They don't see a woman, a child, a father, a brother or sister. It simply becomes a personification of some wrong, an obstacle. I'll delve into a bit of my personal business simply to prove a point from experience.

My father was not the best father in the world, and I was not the most loved student. I was used for my intelligence, made to feel that I was accepted and belonged only to find out later that I was a puppet. I was alone and misunderstood. At first, I contemplated in detail ways to kill my father as I saw him as the ultimate enemy - the one who amplified my abnormalities and made me feel most freakish. I thought sometimes about some horrendous accident that would happen to those who made fun of me and called me all sorts of degrading names. I had many a dark thought, but I still held an honor code. I still had a heart and couldn't bring myself to destroy my father nor the kids at my school. I'm 37. I did have a boy that I knew in my Latin class who had come in to my junior high with a gun - threatened to kill his classmates, but instead shot himself at the door. I was there, and as other's wondered why, I understood - to an extent. I'm a firm believer that for everyone, his or her pain is the most real above any others simply because they are the owners of it - if that makes sense - and all else dulls in comparison. When I realized I couldn't harm anyone directly, I tried to commit suicide - plan it in ways I thought would surely compel guilt in those who had wronged me. But I realized, I wasn't wanting to die, I was just wanting someone to hear me, see me, realize I was important. I did find that in my sister, who is now passed, but she helped somewhat through that harsh time for me. I'm not condoning nor excusing anyone who allows themselves to cross the threshold of sane thought and delve to the darker side of the psyche, because it is after all a choice. At some point, any shooter has a spark of hesitation - even if for a nanosecond - that's long enough to uncock a gun or to simply point it away. It's long enough to stop before going into that parent's closet where a gun is kept or a knife, or downloading how to make a bomb from the internet. There is a point where returning to humanity is possible. Maybe some of us just didn't feel worthy of the choice to turn back, maybe didn't believe that anything would get better. That's where another soul steps in and reminds us, we aren't alone. Some violence I can't possibly fathom - holocaust, a father who hung his children then sent his ex the picture - but I know that at some point the doer detached from this world and ceased to feel any empathy or slight connection to the human race. I know this is long, but this is something that has kept me up at night crying even as a very young little girl. I have always wondered how to fix it. I don't know if it's a grand paradox. Maybe it is. Maybe violence is a way for us to explore our own darkness and understand that its possible for anyone to fall, to have respect for our low points and the low points of others and try to empathize before tragedy happens. I wish we lived in a perfect world where there was only love. A John Lennon sort of world, but I don't know if that's possible - ever. I guess it's like taffy, or antique furniture. Taffy isn't sweet or right unless its pulled and stretched almost to breaking so that air can mix in. Antiques can lose value when the impurities are fixed and its history nullified. Maybe its the dings that make life worth living? I hope those who've lost in any tragedy find strength. That those who die directly and those who die indirectly through emotion turn it around and build something from it. Nature is symmetry, I've noticed. A bridge gets broken to see just how strong it is. I guess to summarize my thoughts, I can perceive the how things can get to these points of tragedy and possibly even make sense of its place in reality; but I will always imagine complete peace. I will always work towards that. <3 hugs to all of you and yours today folks, I know none of you directly but we all breathe the same atmosphere and in that way you are my brothers and sisters. I hope today finds you well, and some of your dreams come true in this lifetime.

 

[cvp12gh5]

Fascinating, today the PD in my area are starting a gun buy-back program. Offering $200 per firearm, up to 3 firearms per person. They are using the recent incident as an optimal time to run the program and "get guns off the streets".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/bay-area-gun-buyback_n_2304231.html

Yes, they are doing it here too. $250 per gun.

 

[muir]

Correlation is not causation. How can we be sure it was the anti-depressants that cause children to commit suicide or hurt other children. How about the idea that the types of people who kill themselves or others are troubled, and troubled people are more likely to be depressed, and thus, are more likely to be on anti-depressants?

Well then you have to ask the question why are they troubled in the first place? At some point it always comes back to the fact that something is not right about our society

Your video is not an accurate representation of the reality of public schools and it makes me wonder if the person who created it has ever even been to a public school or if he has children in it, as it seems the public school he knows is merely a fantasy strawman he's concocted after reading too many far-right blogs. The idea that kids are not even expected to spell or perform basic math correctly is utterly ridiculous.

I think he shows various documents i the video so he hasn't just 'concocted it'. He also talk about the new method of teaching reading....now either thats the case or it isn't. if you want to check the validity why not look into specifics like that? I'd be interested to hear what you find out

As an Early Childhood Education Major, we are actually stressed to try and form a working relationship with the parent and the law favors the rights of a parent to raise their child the way they want over pretty much anything else. In order to do a school-wide psychological screening, we would have to obtain parental permission.

He seemed to show documents that had names of officials on them?

Psychologists are not allowed to prescribe medicine, they do not have the proper certifications, and certainly a school psychologist would not be allowed to prescribe anything. They can recommend to a parent that their child see an outside psychologist and/or psychiatrist, but then it comes down to the parents choice.

That's what happens in the video...the child is referred to a doctor

Overall, the video was a vast oversimplification of the issue of education into a black-and-white us vs. the Illuminati struggle. There are problems with the public school system, but this video did not point out any of them.

That's a matter of perception. I posted another video in the are children being dumbed down thread about public schools. It contains various quotes and an explanation of the role that the establishment (CFR, Illuminati, military industrial complex, power elite...or whatever else you want to call the cabal of people forming the shadow government) have played in the education system.....i think its worth a look. Here it is:

[video=youtube;iFlvkwXCQco]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFlvkwXCQco[/video]

I would also recommend, if you're interested in this stuff to look into the role played by the Rockefeller foundation in fundig education, universities, teachers unions etc and also in the role played by the Frankfurt school and the fabian society on the shaping of our society. then look into what the agenda of these people is. you will find that you don't need to veer into the realm of conspiracy theory to get a pretty clear picture

David Rockefeller wrote his thesis at university on fabian socialism

 

[SealHammer]

Fascinating, today the PD in my area are starting a gun buy-back program. Offering $200 per firearm, up to 3 firearms per person. They are using the recent incident as an optimal time to run the program and "get guns off the streets".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/bay-area-gun-buyback_n_2304231.html

I really hope you don't mean to imply a causal relationship between these two events. Yes, they are exploiting peoples' fear and reactionary thinking in order to influence people into giving away their weapons. Most police officers are afraid of the thought of dealing with people who might have firearms. It's not an earthshaking revelation. But to imply that this is part of a grand conspiracy to undermine the fundamental rights of American citizens is absurd.

I guessed about the USA but I had no idea Serbia was the second... A reason to be a little nervous, I guess. But it makes sense to me now.

Serbia is a country in bad shape economically, socially and culturally, but its murder rates for the past 15 years or so have actually been quite low in comparison to most countries in the world, even the US.

 

[tfg345i4u5lw]

Yes, they are doing it here too. $250 per gun.

and at the federal level, I wonder what they will do

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pres...on-gun-control/story?id=17977115#.UMzm6LZi0z0

 

[MrDoobie]

Well then you have to ask the question why are they troubled in the first place? At some point it always comes back to the fact that something is not right about our society

Or their parents. Or their environment. Or their recent, personal history (any dead relatives/friends?). Or even heredity.

There are a lot of questions you have to ask, but they don't necessarily lead to one answer, and I'd be curious to know what makes you so certain that it's society.

I think he shows various documents i the video so he hasn't just 'concocted it'.

Well, the first paper was about the Freedom Commission on Mental Health, which I'll admit I am not familiar with, however, a couple Google searches about "mandatory mental health screenings + public school" and "Freedom Commission on Mental Health", the only things I can find date back to 2004, mostly talking about it about to go to Senate. So if it really passed through, and mandatory mental health screenings were prevalent in the majority of schools, I'm curious as to why there's nothing more recent about the issue. You'd think there would be blogs and blogs and blogs about it.

The second document he shows is an opinion piece that clearly misunderstands the nature of the YRBSS, chiefly, he doesn't seem to know the difference between a "screening" and a "survey". A second document about the YRBSS and the FSMN that may be misusing the word "screening". A document raising concerns about psychiatry, which is a discussion for another time, and some questions that may, indeed, be on the YRBSS, but which ultimately proves nothing.

I didn't go over all of them above, but they were all similar. I'd be repeating myself.

That's a matter of perception.

No. This video has taken complicated issues and simplified them to one giant bad guy, with a direct and clear motive. It is oversimplification.

...or whatever else you want to call the cabal of people forming the shadow government)

There doesn't always have to be a "master plan".

i think its worth a look. Here it is:

Not really. The entire thing was a long exercise in Just-so Stories, guilt by association fallacies, quotes that are not cited for contextualization, and statistics that are not cited for contextualization.

Though I do want to point out it mentions that "such-and-such amount of adults are illiterate." Illiteracy rates in adults have had a net drop since the late 1800's.

I would also recommend, if you're interested in this stuff to look into the role played by the Rockefeller foundation in fundig education, universities, teachers unions etc and also in the role played by the Frankfurt school and the fabian society on the shaping of our society. then look into what the agenda of these people is. you will find that you don't need to veer into the realm of conspiracy theory to get a pretty clear picture

David Rockefeller wrote his thesis at university on fabian socialism

One big guilt by association fallacy.

 

[tfg345i4u5lw]

I don't think it was some kind of government plot but I am curious if he was on antidepressants.

I really hope you don't mean to imply a causal relationship between these two events. Yes, they are exploiting peoples' fear and reactionary thinking in order to influence people into giving away their weapons. Most police officers are afraid of the thought of dealing with people who might have firearms. It's not an earthshaking revelation. But to imply that this is part of a grand conspiracy to undermine the fundamental rights of American citizens is absurd.

I don't think it is either but I'm not counting it out as a possibility.

 

[Faye]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162...edly-planned-shooting-same-day-as-sandy-hook/

Thankfully, this was prevented.

It does seem to be a trend, not just a random thing. I think it is because we've become so aggressive, violent, and narcissistic as a society. It is happening to everyone. The focus on the individual self, and the cultural belief that to be good or deserving of love you must look better, be smarter, healthier, more attractive, more enlightened, more athletic have a better girlfriend/boyfriend/house/car, is what I think is eating our souls. Mine included. Donald Trump said "Show me someone without an ego, and I will show you a loser", and I think our society in general agrees.

To be happy as humans, we need some commonality. As long as we continue to focus solely on ourselves and on mindless indulgence, I think this kind of stuff will continue.