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You are making broad generalizations however. It is not ALL muslims just like it is not ALL Priests.
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You are making broad generalizations however. It is not ALL muslims just like it is not ALL Priests.
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"Every summer"? They were bad in fall of 2005.
In Europe? Inform me.
You bring up these examples as if they prove something about European Muslims. How about looking up all the crimes that occur and checking to see what groups the perpetrators belong to? Are you going to blame and subjugate Protestants for of the murders of abortionists and bombings of clinics? Are you going hold all American Hmong responsible for the murders of hunters in Wisconsin? This cherry picking is ridiculous.
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Oh really? I didn't realize that. I guess that makes it ok then.
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I think you are missing my point.
The alternative is that you just dont want to admit that I am making a good argument (See thread no right and wrong
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I am not saying violence is ok.
I am saying that blaming a whole group of people for a radical few is not logical. They are not ALL muslims.
What they are is fanatics.
There are many peaceful Muslims.
What people are doing when they are saying ALL Muslims are flaming hatred of ALL Muslims. This is not ok.
I care just as much for a Muslim sister in faith as I do a Christian sister in faith.
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The alternative is that you just dont want to admit that I am making a good argument (See thread no right and wrong
). I am not saying violence is ok.
I am saying that blaming a whole group of people for a radical few is not logical. They are not ALL muslims.
What they are is fanatics.
There are many peaceful Muslims.
What people are doing when they are saying ALL Muslims are flaming hatred of ALL Muslims. This is not ok.
I care just as much for a Muslim sister in faith as I do a Christian sister in faith.
I am running to get my armor again
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Err yeah except you are cherry picking, how many hmong murder hunters every year? How many Protestants bomb abortion clinics?
Very very few. You know an actual minority. In Islam though throughout the world, including the US and Europe, people kill in the name of Islam all the time. There are Muslim riots in Europe all the time.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/03/increasing_muslim_violence_in.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/p...drals-to-challenge-swiss-ban-on-minarets.html
some fun reading for you.
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I think you are missing my point.
The alternative is that you just dont want to admit that I am making a good argument (See thread no right and wrong
I am not saying violence is ok.
I am saying that blaming a whole group of people for a radical few is not logical. They are not ALL muslims.
What they are is fanatics.
There are many peaceful Muslims.
What people are doing when they are saying ALL Muslims are flaming hatred of ALL Muslims. This is not ok.
I care just as much for a Muslim sister in faith as I do a Christian sister in faith.
I am running to get my armor again
Well lets figure out what radical few means, I think there is more than a radical few in Islam then people are willing to admit. Its not all or even half, but def more than a few.
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There are more than 50 million Muslims in Europe. Are you seriously saying that more than 25 million of them are killing people?
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You just made the same point we are trying to make.
There are
1.2 BILLION muslims in the world. That is 22 percent of the WORLDS POPULATION!
If it was not a radical few the world would be in flames!
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You just made the same point we are trying to make.
There are
1.2 BILLION muslims in the world. That is 22 percent of the WORLDS POPULATION!
If it was not a radical few the world would be in flames!
Ummm it is in flames in many areas.
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It curtails the religious freedoms of a religion publicly perceived (and the radicals don't do much to stop this p.o.v.) as being a religion of sexual subjugation, homophobia and intolerance.
The specific things that could be said to be known are the burqa ban. This was a part of a ban on ALL THINGS religious, not just one religion. It was a part of an initiative of bringing people closer by removing the symbols that separate them.
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That's half of 50 million. You implied that at least half of Muslims murder.
So 2% of European Muslims? That still sounds awfully high. Check out this map of intentional homicide rates per country (darker means more, lighter means fewer):
Europe looks pretty good, doesn't it? That's an average of 5.4 murders per 100,000 residents. The population of Europe is about 831.4 million. So about 44,896 murders occur each year.
Let's be generous to your theory and say that the average Muslim who murders only does so once, let's say in a 50-year life span. That averages out to 20,000 murders per year, almost half of the total.
To recap: You're saying that about 6% of the population of Europe (Muslim immigrants) commits almost half of the continent's murders each year. Ever wonder why you seem to be the only one aware of this?
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Dagnabit! I could keep eating popcorn and watching how this thread unfolds but I have to go to class.
Seriously though this is not right or wrong debate. there are so many nuances. This is a topic to be taken serious topic. However, we need some levity in order to bring people together instead of driving eveyone apart in hatred.
Seriously though this is not right or wrong debate. there are so many nuances. This is a topic to be taken serious topic. However, we need some levity in order to bring people together instead of driving eveyone apart in hatred.
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Remember the Patriot Act that stripped away American Rights?
It passed with only a few peaceful protests.
Whenever the European Governments try to pass unapproved legislation there is violent rioting in the streets. I asked a 70 year old European (Scotsman, well travelled throughout Europe) I used to work for why that was, and he said it was because mainland Europe can still remember the stifling oppression of the NAZI Party, and would never again allow their governments to become as Right Wing Authoritarian again, or to allow Religious Oppression (towards the religions or from the religions*). The Eastern European nations can very much remember the USSR Stranglehold and R.W.Authoritarianism that prevailed there, and Doug (Scottish Fellow) had been there during the USSR time, and after it. Most of the citizenry there (in the 90's) REALLY didn't and still don't want that sort of crap again.
Europe has lived through some of the most brutal Oppression in the last Century, and as a result most of the older generation have really dug in there heels there, and passed it on as a culture (I believe) to the youth.
Whereas America hasn't known enough oppression to fight for their rights (argue peacefully in indignant lassitude), only a few really do, and they're called Militia Extremists who're generally cast in a conspiracy theorist light and seem to be rather racist and ultra-nationalist.
That's what this has to do with it.
*It is from the religions that concerns Europe at the moment.
**Feel free to dispute any of that forum members from Europe, either France, Germany, Netherlands Region, Eastern Europe or Scandanavia...**
I realise you're making a joke, and I can see the amusing side of it... However I think you've touched on the truth. Fuck Connecticut.