[INFJ] On MBTI types

LucyJr said:
Christopher Hitchens was a INFJ:

[video=youtube;lUH4RzAofv8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUH4RzAofv8[/video]
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And the other guy, William F. Buckley, is a INTJ. Again here is a INTJ vs INFJ debate, both are first Ni users.
 
LucyJr said:
No one can be a good enough actor. The true colors of any person can be seen easily if you have good eyes for people.



People have some characteristics that stand out in powerful contrast with their other characteristics. Every cognitive type has some recognisable characteristics. If you know them and you are used to them, you can easily observe and recognise them even in people who you have little knowledge about their "real" life.

As for knowing someone, you don't expect that psychologists like Jung spent some time with people, 'getting to know them a bit", about their "real" lives, in order to recognise and type them.
That would be very: 1. Impolite and improper and 2. Not very efficient.

Also, I am a INFJ, one of the few "real" INFJs I know are on this forum. In Socionics, INFJs are described as having the capacity or ability to recognise people's main characteristics and even idiosyncrasies.
That means when I see a ESTJ for example, sometimes only after two seconds after I see the person, I already know in my front lies a ESTJ person. They have a style that is unmistakable, they way they talk, the way they walk, the way they move, and finaly, the way they act. And so is with every other MBTI type.

I hope that answers to your questions.
I don't have the pretention that everyone I type is the correct type, but for most people I type, I can say with 100% certainty they are the type I am recognising in them. I can bet for that with anybody.

For example, if you and I we are to walk on a street and we would just talk with people, and you would say to me "What is this person's type?" and I would answer "This person is a ESFP!" and you will check my answer with a MBTI professional or a socionist (whcih implies the respective person will make some tests) you will see I am right.
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But how can you judge character without engaging with someone? Seeing their behaviours? If you don't, you're just basing it all on looks- and they hardly tell anything about anyone.
It seems like you're mostly type casting people based on your stereotypes.
 
LucyJr said:
That must be because the people who classified him like that are very stupid. There are a alot of stupid people in the world, that missunderstand things to such degree that is frightening.
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Harsh words. Harsh words.

So in an instance like this, is it safe to say you are the only one that can be right? After all that study and school yours is the thought process to follow over all others?
 
Eventhorizon said:
Harsh words. Harsh words.

So in an instance like this, is it safe to say you are the only one that can be right? After all that study and school yours is the thought process to follow over all others?
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Man...I don't know.
I think its safe if you decide who are you listening to.
You can listen to "professionals" who typed Putin as a Intj, or you can listen to me which is that they are dumb and Putin is a typical ISTP.

Oh, and also don't listen to yourself. The fact that you think you are a Intj tells me alot of things about your reasoning when you type even yourself...
So I let your smart ass to decide wether "it is safe to say" or not that my thought process is to "follow over all others"...this is too high for me, its complicated, I can not calculate that.
All I can say tough, its don't believe that Putin is a INTJ, but take my advice that he is a ISTP, and you are not a INTJ.


So...what do you think, "it is safe or not"?
Wether it is or not...take my advice....!
 
LucyJr said:
Christopher Hitchens was a INFJ:

[video=youtube;lUH4RzAofv8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUH4RzAofv8[/video]
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Errr, i don't think so. INTJ imo. Te users usually have something impatient and brash in their speech or demeanor, in contrast with the more level-headed and analytical Ti users.
The other guy seems more... Stoic, poker-faced, more tempered overall. I'm gonna go with NTP or something like that, although i don't really know about him, so this is just a quick impression.

Sometimes i think that your typings, but more than anything the INFJ ones, are strongly biased towards an " emotionally troubled" persona that i don't think it's true.
 
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[video=youtube;37w96lUcjmY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37w96lUcjmY[/video]

INFP woman. Still not sure, ENFP and INFJ are also possibilities. But i'm gonna say INFP anyway.
 
My Friend

I have a girl friend who tested as an ISTP (Although I'm thinking that she's an ESTP, because she's definitely an extrovert).

As much as I love her, there are some things about her that.. Rub me the wrong way. She's funny and playful, but an extreme opportunist and takes pride in it.
Which is good for her, but I'm not a fan of it. Sometimes I feel like the friendship I have with her is very superficial, as she sees me as an object that may be useful
to her in the future, rather than a human being.

This could be just her values? I'm not so sure. She's generous herself and helps in me many ways, but I feel she forces herself to do it because I'll owe her later on. Hope I'm making sense, lol.

She's also is very great at retail, and is one of the top salesperson at her work. Perhaps she may not even be an xSTP? Online tests don't give the most accurate results.. I wonder if she has other mental issues (for a lack of a better word..) that may be masking her true type? Meh, I don't think I'll ever know. I just don't know what I feel about her.
 
LucyJr said:
Man...I don't know.
I think its safe if you decide who are you listening to.
You can listen to "professionals" who typed Putin as a Intj, or you can listen to me which is that they are dumb and Putin is a typical ISTP.

Oh, and also don't listen to yourself. The fact that you think you are a Intj tells me alot of things about your reasoning when you type even yourself...
So I let your smart ass to decide wether "it is safe to say" or not that my thought process is to "follow over all others"...this is too high for me, its complicated, I can not calculate that.
All I can say tough, its don't believe that Putin is a INTJ, but take my advice that he is a ISTP, and you are not a INTJ.


So...what do you think, "it is safe or not"?
Wether it is or not...take my advice....!
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I wonder sometimes if you dont allow the trasnlator use words you want it to use. For example calling me a smart ass is mildly offensive considering I feel that I use a great amount of tolerance concerning many of your posts.
I have taken many tests lucyjr and the vast majority continue to indicate Intj for myself. When reading about intj descriptions I relate to those more than other types. My cousin has been, perhaps still is, a well paid Jungian analyst and he told me he tought I would have typed out as an intj when I told him I originally tested as a infj.
I think you let pride move you. I also think that while you may have typed some people correctly due to the vast amount of "typing" you have done (do enough anything and you get at least one right) most of your observation is simply likely wrong. But you are right in that I would be no better of a person to know if this is true. You seem to ha e fun with it which is good but your response to people questioning you is mildly both annoying and funny. Still it is your thread and you never indicated you wanted feed back so..my bad. Have at.
 
BrokenDaniel said:
Errr, i don't think so. INTJ imo. Te users usually have something impatient and brash in their speech or demeanor, in contrast with the more level-headed and analytical Ti users.
The other guy seems more... Stoic, poker-faced, more tempered overall. I'm gonna go with NTP or something like that, although i don't really know about him, so this is just a quick impression.
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You've just switched their type in the exactly opposite and wrong direction.
It is Hitchens who is a Ti user, and Buckley is a Te user. You 've got them exactly the opposite. How those things happen?


Sometimes i think that your typings, but more than anything the INFJ ones, are strongly biased towards an " emotionally troubled" persona that i don't think it's true.
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My typings are strongly biased toward truth and against idiots like you...
 
Eventhorizon said:
I wonder sometimes if you dont allow the trasnlator use words you want it to use. For example calling me a smart ass is mildly offensive considering I feel that I use a great amount of tolerance concerning many of your posts.
I have taken many tests lucyjr and the vast majority continue to indicate Intj for myself. When reading about intj descriptions I relate to those more than other types. My cousin has been, perhaps still is, a well paid Jungian analyst and he told me he tought I would have typed out as an intj when I told him I originally tested as a infj.
I think you let pride move you. I also think that while you may have typed some people correctly due to the vast amount of "typing" you have done (do enough anything and you get at least one right) most of your observation is simply likely wrong. But you are right in that I would be no better of a person to know if this is true. You seem to ha e fun with it which is good but your response to people questioning you is mildly both annoying and funny. Still it is your thread and you never indicated you wanted feed back so..my bad. Have at.
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But man...you are not a INTJ, I am telling this with 100% certainty. Your cousin should take another job if he thinks you are a INTJ...its just so absurd.
 
LucyJr said:
But man...you are not a INTJ, I am telling this with 100% certainty. Your cousin should take another job if he thinks you are a INTJ...its just so absurd.
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Ok, Ill tell him he has led many people astray even though they feel he helped them.
I am glad you trust yourself to be right over all other possibilities. The many years of study and school you have done on the related subjects undoubtedly support you. Jung himself would stare at you in awe knowing that you had surpassed even his ability.
 
Eventhorizon said:
Ok, Ill tell him he has led many people astray even though they feel he helped them.
I am glad you trust yourself to be right over all other possibilities. The many years of study and school you have done on the related subjects undoubtedly support you. Jung himself would stare at you in awe knowing that you had surpassed even his ability.
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No man, Jung would beat the crack out of your cousin for typing you as a INTJ...and he will look at me and will say "There is hope son...there is hope!" :P
 
LucyJr said:
No man, Jung would beat the crack out of your cousin for typing you as a INTJ...and he will look at me and will say "There is hope son...there is hope!" :P
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Right, because Jung was known for his violent tendencies.
 
What type would be considered the most arrogant one?
 
LucyJr said:
You've just switched their type in the exactly opposite and wrong direction.
It is Hitchens who is a Ti user, and Buckley is a Te user. You 've got them exactly the opposite. How those things happen?
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Pretty simple, Hitchens as a Te user puts a lot of emphasis on what he thinks it's true, and his speech haves a lot of resolution, like, figuring out something before being able to talk about it. The other guy is more openly questioning, Ne plus Ti.

My typings are strongly biased toward truth and against idiots like you...
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Also chill out. I wasn't attacking you, just putting an observation out there, and you obviously can prove me wrong, but there's no need to be so sensitive now. This is a discussion forum opposing opinions are allowed, and as far as i'm concerned, expected. If you don't want people questioning you, then don't put your opinions and typings out there.

EDIT: Guess what i'm trying to say is that you should make a case for your typings when debating. I don't wanna sound rude, but anyway, it's not that i'm too invested in changing your mind, nor sound too preachy, but when i see something that i don't agree with, i'd much rather say it to at least see the other person's point of view, repeating all over again that you're right it's not what i'm talking about. Your personal feelings against INFJs as you so stubbornly voiced don't matter that much, i just happen to disagree with them completely. Whatever, i'll probably keep on disagreeing with your typings, not because i want to annoy you, but because that's how it works for me, and i love to debate ideas from time to time, it's nothing personal whatsoever.
 
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The difference betwen a ENTJ mature man, let's say, and a INFJ mature man is the following:
appearence:
-the ENTJ usualy looks agitated, nervous, with "fire" in eyes and a brave, solid and courageous posture, almost military like; their eyes have a firmness in them, they look as if they turn the whole steering wheel of a bus in one direction whee they turn their attention in one particular direction; gait and movements are energetic, precise, firm and decisive;

-the INFJ man makes the impression of a contemplative man, and have a rough enduring quality about them; usualy they like to look contemplatively in a relaxed posture, and everything about them suggests quiet strenght and confidence; they look almost like a ISTP, but what is more different is that they have the unmistakeable contemplative and meditative look in their eyes; gestures are slow, sure and calculated, walk is slow, usualy light, but with a certain strenght and firmness in it ( when they are in a depressive mood, their walk is saturnine, heavy); they like to relax in a contemplative mood, with a clear expression of pride and satisfaction on their face;
Of, and the other unmistakable characteristic of those kind of INFJs...elegance, a kind of elegance with a strenght in it, very ISTJ like;


psychonomy:
-the ENTJ approaches things with precision, sober minded, rapid and clear; they judge the meaning behind any action; usualy emotional and merry, but he sudenly change his disposition to "dead serious" when he has to work, in which case he becomes clear, concentrated, and prudent;
-the INFJ generaly has a relaxed mood; approaches things slowly, but surely; there is that Se quality in his strenght: if he in good form, his overall posture and attidude makes you believe that he can do almost everything, in any circumstances;
 
LucyJr said:
The difference betwen a ENTJ mature man, let's say, and a INFJ mature man is the following:
appearence:
-the ENTJ usualy looks agitated, nervous, with "fire" in eyes and a brave, solid and courageous posture, almost military like; their eyes have a firmness in them, they look as if they turn the whole steering wheel of a bus in one direction whee they turn their attention in one particular direction; gait and movements are energetic, precise, firm and decisive;

-the INFJ man makes the impression of a contemplative man, and have a rough enduring quality about them; usualy they like to look contemplatively in a relaxed posture, and everything about them suggests quiet strenght and confidence; they look almost like a ISTP, but what is more different is that they have the unmistakeable contemplative and meditative look in their eyes; gestures are slow, sure and calculated, walk is slow, usualy light, but with a certain strenght and firmness in it ( when they are in a depressive mood, their walk is saturnine, heavy); they like to relax in a contemplative mood, with a clear expression of pride and satisfaction on their face;
Of, and the other unmistakable characteristic of those kind of INFJs...elegance, a kind of elegance with a strenght in it, very ISTJ like;


psychonomy:
-the ENTJ approaches things with precision, sober minded, rapid and clear; they judge the meaning behind any action; usualy emotional and merry, but he sudenly change his disposition to "dead serious" when he has to work, in which case he becomes clear, concentrated, and prudent;
-the INFJ generaly has a relaxed mood; approaches things slowly, but surely; there is that Se quality in his strenght: if he in good form, his overall posture and attidude makes you believe that he can do almost everything, in any circumstances;
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To complete this, both those men look very good: one will not know which is better to look at. The ENTJ has that beautiful energy and courageous posture, while the INFJ has that stoic like quality to his strenght, with a beautiful contemplative allure to his overall persona.
IF you get two freinds like those two...you have alot of options :P
 
LucyJr said:
-the INFJ man makes the impression of a contemplative man, and have a rough enduring quality about them; usualy they like to look contemplatively in a relaxed posture, and everything about them suggests quiet strenght and confidence; they look almost like a ISTP, but what is more different is that they have the unmistakeable contemplative and meditative look in their eyes; gestures are slow, sure and calculated, walk is slow, usualy light, but with a certain strenght and firmness in it ( when they are in a depressive mood, their walk is saturnine, heavy); they like to relax in a contemplative mood, with a clear expression of pride and satisfaction on their face;
Of, and the other unmistakable characteristic of those kind of INFJs...elegance, a kind of elegance with a strenght in it, very ISTJ like;
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That's how i distinguish INFJs kind of, i would use different words though, they usually seem harder to reach at first meeting, even with the most easy going ones.
 
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