Random Religious Thoughts

[Fruiteloop]

Correct. I am glad you are finally answering my questions.

Last question:

Is Jesus dying on the cross an act of self-love or an act of selflessness?

Love

lots of people have love in them

I do not see how that makes people self serving only

 

[QuickTwist]

One of the big reasons why I dropped out.

That woman is a heretic. I do not think she is a Christian at all.

 

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Love

We are asking what kind of love it is. Is it selfless love, or self-love?

 

[Fruiteloop]

We are asking what kind of love it is. Is it selfless love, or self-love?

selfless love

does that make self love bad?

 

[QuickTwist]

selfless love

does that make self love bad?

Let's review...

1. Our greatest example in Christianity is Christ.
2. The greatest act of love Christ displayed is dying on the cross for us.
3. Christ's death on the cross was a selfless love.
C. Christian's highest example is selfless love.

I want to go with the highest example as much as I possibly can.

Does this post make more sense now?

I find that many Christians, especially online, have a very low personal standard of holiness. I've talked about how I have such horrible self-discipline. This is surely not a problem for the prophets and apostles. But at the same time, I find so many Christians today, even pastors and such, simply are morally ambiguous about many things. Christians here in the US, again, what I see online, have mostly been a religion of what you are ALLOWED to do rather than what you SHOULD do. I try to treat people really well. I try my best to be vulnerable about my own weaknesses. But so many Christians today are given into the "soft sins." The sins that they excuse away as being "not that bad." They are incredibly self-indulgent. They try to work the algorithm to get more views and likes. They are inherently selfish. They get tattoos, watch porn, wear yoga pants, and all sorts of different things they think the Bible doesn't address. They are not focused on piety, but on themselves.

 

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One of the big reasons why I dropped out.

This is from the Didache, which is a document that talks about what the earliest Church believed and the conduct of Christians. This is written approximately 70 AD.

"And when the apostle goes away, let him take nothing but bread until he lodges; but if he ask money, he is a false prophet."

She is a false prophet.

 

[Fruiteloop]

Let's review...

1. Our greatest example in Christianity is Christ.
2. The greatest act of love Christ displayed is dying on the cross for us.
3. Christ's death on the cross was a selfless love.
C. Christian's highest example is selfless love.

I want to go with the highest example as much as I possibly can.

Does this post make more sense now?

I understand what is being said I just disgree that the bare minimum of self care should be ignored.

No one is just going to just unnecessarily die trying to help people. Bills need to be payed food needs to be eaten.

Maybe if you are mother Teresa, I don't know. People don't live that way.

My mother buys lotto tickets so she can save the animals one day when she wins big. It's not practice but she cares about the animals.

So nothing you said is wrong in the way you think I am saying it is wrong. Serving others is fine. But I need to eat and not starve to death.

 

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I understand what is being said I just disgree that the bare minimum of self care should be ignored.

No one is just going to just unnecessarily die trying to help people. Bills need to be payed food needs to be eaten.

Maybe if you are mother Teresa, I don't know. People don't live that way.

My mother buys lotto tickets so she can save the animals one day when she wins big. It's not practice but she cares about the animals.

So nothing you said is wrong in the way you think I am saying it is wrong. Serving others is fine. But I need to eat and not starve to death.

I have nothing against making sure you can eat. That is not what the discussion is about to me. To me, it is about what is "BEST" not about what is "ALLOWED."

Jesus said, "Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect."

We aim to be as similar to Christ as possible. Obviously, Jesus still ate food, so that is not what this is about.

What I am against is a kind of preoccupation with yourself. That is an idea that is nowhere in the Bible.

 

[Misty]

@Fruiteloop, that's just Western secularism, not Christianity. Christianity does not have this kind of extreme individualism that it is all about you and your "true self." This kind of thought is due to liberalism, not orthodox Christianity. Its roots are in the rise of the Enlightenment and the French Revolution. In a sense, it is making yourself a little g god.

Real Christianity is about using your gifts to serve others, not a lesson on how you can "love yourself" to the Nth degree.

Yes, this.

 

[meowzician]

Being oneself does not need to strictly be against holiness.

Amein, sister. I can think of nothing holier than becoming the very best "me" that God calls me to be.