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[muir]

Woah what happened is this thread? 8 pages!

A quick scan revealed more talk about aliens...its all about the aliens these days...folks are getting even more far out than me

How am i supposed to stay on the fringe when the fringe keeps moving?

 

[say what]

You mean like when the Greek created their gods or like when we create fictional writing today, or do you mean a conspiracy?.

All of the above?

 

[CogentPursuit]

Ok. I see everyone as equal. This is just another part of religious doctrine I will never understand. I will leave it at that.

Like I said it was not gods intention to segregate. That was man being man as always. Jesus broke the segregation because God does not approve of segregation. Therefore it is not doctrine.

 

[invisible]

Is english your second language? Just interested because I am not sure how you misread some of the things I had written there.

I was not connecting socialism with minority sexual preference, I was however suggesting that the history of emancipatory movements, how they can go wrong despite all best intentions should inform thinking about present movements that imagine they are emancipatory, which I honestly do not believe has happened.

The idea that words can mean whatever anyone chooses for them to mean is fundamental to Orwell's theorising that Big Brother would corrupt the meaning of words to suit their purposes, its the very core principle of Newspeak in 1984, that words mean whatever the most powerful decide they mean.

Marriage means a relationship between a man and a woman, you can call a dog a horse if you really want to but it will still be a dog, the whole idea that homosexuals have been deprived of any rights or are inequal to any other member of the population in relation to marriage is absurd, homosexuals have a right to marry if they choose but I do not understand why they would want to because they are not sexually attracted to the opposite sex. If it is a legal fix which is required to confer a particular legal status upon a couple then, sure, that's fine but dont seek to corrupt the meaning of the word marriage for a political purpose or end.

Freedom is slavery,
War is peace,
Ignorance is strength,
Marriage is any relationship between anyone.

english is my first language, and the only language that i speak.

you represent a current power faction that is applying its power to maintaining the idea that the meaning of a word can be fixed, and that a dictionary definition is what is at stake here. the matter of the attachment of meaning to word is not what is at stake, it is the meaning that is at stake.

i dont care about the word, i care about its meaning. words are not meanings, they are signifiers of meanings. they have no fixed or inherent meaning of their own, but they are signs that we use to refer to meanings. what is important is the meaning, not the word. i have devoted considerable time and effort to writing other posts sharing clear rational arguments why it seems obvious to me that the idea that marriage is represented as exclusively a wedding of specific genitalia has no valuable meaning.

 

[say what]

Woah what happened is this thread? 8 pages!

A quick scan revealed more talk about aliens...its all about the aliens these days...folks are getting even more far out than me

How am i supposed to stay on the fringe when the fringe keeps moving?

You're slacking off on the job!!!!!!!!!!

Get to work!!

 

[CogentPursuit]

Anyway as usual this argument has convinced neither side to cross the fence and I grow weary of it. I have a bottle of wine I intended to open an hour ago anyway.

I was not aware that was the intention. I was just discussion possibilities, actualities, and perspectives. I like to stuff my little mental box with them. Didn't you notice I am an INTP? What need have I for a conclusion?

 

[sprinkles]

[MENTION=9401]LucyJr[/MENTION]

'is possible' = actualized

Note that it's not 'maybe possible'. It is not 'possibly possible' It's 'is possible'. That is an affirmation.

The actualization is in the tautology. The reason why a possibility is possible is what makes the possibility actual.

In short: when you say something 'is possible' you recognize an actualized possibility. The reality is that it can happen now.

Definition of POSSIBLE
1
a : being within the limits of ability, capacity, or realization <a possible but difficult task>
b : being what may be conceived, be done, or occur according to nature, custom, or manners <the best possible care> <the worst possible circumstance>

 

[muir]

You're slacking off on the job!!!!!!!!!!

Get to work!!

What's more left field than aliens?!!

 

[CogentPursuit]

[MENTION=9401]LucyJr[/MENTION]

'is possible' = actualized

Note that it's not 'maybe possible'. It is not 'possibly possible' It's 'is possible'. That is an affirmation.

The actualization is in the tautology. The reason why a possibility is possible is what makes the possibility actual.

In short: when you say something 'is possible' you recognize an actualized possibility. The reality is that it can happen now.

Definition of POSSIBLE
1
a : being within the limits of ability, capacity, or realization <a possible but difficult task>
b : being what may be conceived, be done, or occur according to nature, custom, or manners <the best possible care> <the worst possible circumstance>

You forgot actual

Definition of actual (adj)

Bing Dictionary
ac·tu·al
[ ákchoo əl ]


1.real: real and existing as fact
2.used for emphasis: used for emphasis, e.g. to stress that somebody or something being referred to is genuinely the person or thing involved
3.existing now: existing or occurring at the moment

I bolded Actual 3. so you actually know what is occurring and not simply what is possible as 1, 2, or 3 or possible but only 3 is actually the one being used.

 

[LucyJr]

[MENTION=9401]LucyJr[/MENTION]

'is possible' = actualized

Note that it's not 'maybe possible'. It is not 'possibly possible' It's 'is possible'. That is an affirmation.

The actualization is in the tautology. The reason why a possibility is possible is what makes the possibility actual.

In short: when you say something 'is possible' you recognize an actualized possibility. The reality is that it can happen now.

Definition of POSSIBLE
1
a : being within the limits of ability, capacity, or realization <a possible but difficult task>
b : being what may be conceived, be done, or occur according to nature, custom, or manners <the best possible care> <the worst possible circumstance>

I don't know about your terminology, but I can tell you for sure that in philosophy its not true, or at least the terminilogy is different.
In philosphy, a possibility is actualised (it means ACTION, made to happen/to become) when and only when that respective possibility becomes a reality. Reality in philosophy of possibilities is called ACTUAL World, because it is real. Hence the name for a possibility transformed in reality, ACTUALised possibility.

 

[sprinkles]

You forgot actual

Definition of actual (adj)

Bing Dictionary
ac·tu·al
[ ákchoo əl ]


1.real: real and existing as fact
2.used for emphasis: used for emphasis, e.g. to stress that somebody or something being referred to is genuinely the person or thing involved
3.existing now: existing or occurring at the moment

I bolded Actual 3. so you actually know what is occurring and not simply what is possible as 1, 2, or 3 or possible but only 3 is actually the one being used.

Yes. Possibility exists now.

 

[sprinkles]

I don't know about your terminology, but I can tell you for sure that in philosophy its not true, or at least the terminilogy is different.
In philosphy, a possibility is actualised (it means ACTION, made to happen/to become) when and only when that respective possibility becomes a reality. Reality in philosophy of possibilities is called ACTUAL World, because it is real. Hence the name for a possibility transformed in reality, ACTUALised possibility.

If something can be done the possibility is actual.

Once something IS done, it's not a possibility anymore - it becomes something that did happen.

Your ignorance does not make me wrong. Please stop with it.

 

[LucyJr]

If something can be done the possibility is actual.

If something can be done, it means is possible.(not "actually" possible) That it. Nothing more.
If it can not be done, it means is impossible (not actually impossible).

I think that you're understanding is formed on the impression of a very used expression in English. For example, :

"Actualy, its possible to drag that car with one horse". Here, the word "actual" means a possibility, more like a actual possibility, in the sense that its actually possible. But this expression, what really does, is to reassure of the possiblity of a action the subject, but it doesn't say anyhting about the nature of that possibility in a ontological sense linked to reality, as is in philosophy.

So when one is saying 'its a actual possibility' its meant to be 'its a possible"(assurence for the subject/person) possibility.

But in philosophy, the word actuality is meant to be reality, action, not a 'possible' possibility.

 

[sprinkles]

If something can be done, it means is possible.(not "actually" possible) That it. Nothing more.
If it can not be done, it means is impossible (not actually impossible).

I think that you're understanding is formed on the impression of a very used expression in English. For example, :

"Actualy, its possible to drag that car with one horse". Here, the word "actual" means a possibility, more like a actual possibility, in the sense that its actually possible. But this expression, what really does, is to reassure of the possiblity of a action the subject, but it doesn't say anyhting about the nature of that possibility in a ontological sense linked to reality, as is in philosophy.

So when one is saying 'its a actual possibility' its meant to be 'its a possible"(assurence for the subject/person) possibility.

But in philosophy, the word actuality is meant to be reality, action, not a 'possible' possibility.

No. This is modal logic. That Aristotle stuff is way old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_logic

[...]Thus it is possible that it will rain today if and only if it is not necessary that it will not rain today; and it is necessary that it will rain today if and only if it is not possible that it will not rain today. Alternative symbols used for the modal operators are "L" for Necessarily and "M" for Possibly.

 

[LucyJr]

Yes. Possibility exists now.

In your mind, but not in reality.

 

[invisible]

how did i ever become so blindly deluded as to my proficiency in the english language? now i perceive only too well the many inadequacies of my grasp of my own tongue. o sorry day, i would that your doom had never come upon me! - to once more savour the sweet streams of my blissful paradise of ignorance, i would only humbly offer up very much that i hold dear.

 

[CogentPursuit]

In your mind, but not in reality.

Nothing can exist in reality if it is not possible.

Possible is anything actual, now or the future. If it was not possible it would not be happening.

Actual only exists now.

An odd debate. I must have missed something way back. I have to go see why this important. BTW - you two must love arguing because I actually see your arguing a lot.

 

[CogentPursuit]

If something can be done the possibility is actual.

Once something IS done, it's not a possibility anymore - it becomes something that did happen.

Your ignorance does not make me wrong. Please stop with it.

You are right on the first two accounts and only angry on the third.

She said is occurring, not occurred. Unless I missed something.

 

[sprinkles]

In your mind, but not in reality.

No. In reality. Reality must determine what is possible in a non-abstract sense.

I'm speaking of physical possibility, not abstract potential. There's a difference between what might theoretically be possible and what is physically possible in reality.

If something is not physically possible in reality then you cannot do that thing. Physical impossibility necessarily prohibits in a very physical and very real way. By logical inversion something that is possible must not be physically prohibited and thereby it is a reality.

 

[LucyJr]

Nothing can exist in reality if it is not possible.

Yes. Impossibilities can never become reality. Only what is possible can become reality. So the add actual possibility is useless.
The correct wording is possibility, and when it does happen, it's out of the world oh possibililities, and it become reality, and its called actualised possibility.

Possible is anything actual, now or the future. If it was not possible it would not be happening.

Yes, but there are possibilities that would never happen, and that never did happened.
For example, it was possible that I would never reply to you. If I would never reply to you, the actual world which is now would have been different. But I did replied to you, and another possibility was actualised and becomed reality, that reality in which I am replying to you.
Those things are weird, but interesting.

Actual only exists now.

An odd debate. I must have missed something way back. I have to go see why this important. BTW - you two must love arguing because I actually see your arguing a lot.

Yeah, sprinkles is always in disagree with me. Always.