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Kanye?
 
I'm not American, but as an outsider it just seems inconceivable that people could consider electing people who toy with the idea of doing away with the police.

Perhaps there's anarchists around who believe they won't be victims of crime, or who perhaps wish to victimise others, but what normal person, who cannot afford private security, wants there to be no assistance if someone is breaking into their house?

It just seems so bizzare to me, that a major political platform could somehow get itself to actually think this can be a policy.
 
Abolishing police is not a part of democratic platform. It's a pretty far left idea. Biden has even come out and said he doesn't support it. You can actually look right at his platform where it states his focus is on prevention and rehabilitation through education, mental health and social services. You can really look into it if actually interested in more than sharing dishonest right wing talking points, because Biden's campaign even mentions his work on the Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) program....which would actually HIRE more officers and train them lol. Omg the anarchy!
 
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Abolishing police is not a part of democratic platform. It's a pretty far left idea. Biden has even come out and said he doesn't support it. You can actually look right at his platform where it states his focus is on prevention and rehabilitation through education, mental health and social services. You can really look into it if actually interested in more than sharing dishonest right wing talking points, because Biden's campaign even mentions his work on the Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) program....which would actually HIRE more officers and train them lol. Omg the anarchy!
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Unless the article I read a while ago was incorrect, New York reduced its police budget by 1 billion dollars recently. Isn't that a Democrat administration?

And for your information, I vote liberal in my country. They don't have crazy policies.
 
Sometimes Yeah said:
Unless the article I read a while ago was incorrect, New York reduced its police budget by 1 billion dollars recently. Isn't that a Democrat administration?

And for your information, I vote liberal in my country. They don't have crazy policies.
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You never mentioned NY.
You commented on a "major political platform." Which I took to mean Biden's platform. Because local governments determine their funding for police. And it's not part of a platform. But one side likes to pretend it is.
 
acd said:
You never mentioned NY.
You commented on a "major political platform." Which I took to mean Biden's platform. Because local governments determine their funding for police. And it's not part of a platform. But one side likes to pretend it is.
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I literally mentioned New York in the post you just quoted. I will not continue a dialogue with you. You seem to be looking for people to insult or attack, and I'm really not interested in facilitating you.
 
Sometimes Yeah said:
I'm not American, but as an outsider it just seems inconceivable that people could consider electing people who toy with the idea of doing away with the police.

Perhaps there's anarchists around who believe they won't be victims of crime, or who perhaps wish to victimise others, but what normal person, who cannot afford private security, wants there to be no assistance if someone is breaking into their house?

It just seems so bizzare to me, that a major political platform could somehow get itself to actually think this can be a policy.
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This is what my post was referring to. Then you responded something about an article you read about NY.
 
From New York Post:

In a statement last month, his folks insisted: “Biden does not believe that police should be defunded.”

Later, though, asked if money should be “redirected” away from cops, he replied, “Yes, absolutely.” And the charter for his alliance with Bernie Sanders vows to “reinvigorate community policing . . . and make smart investments to incentivize departments to build effective partnerships with social workers and mental-health and substance-use counselors” — which aligns with the #Defunders’ goals.

Yet, then on Wednesday, as a poll showed 81 percent of blacks want as much, or more, police presence, Biden — lo and behold! — called for more funding for cops, to handle the “God-awful problems” they face.

None of these statements was a gaffe. It’s just that even on a subject as vital as cops, Biden wants it both ways. Who knows where he really stands?
 
Sometimes Yeah said:
I'm not American, but as an outsider it just seems inconceivable that people could consider electing people who toy with the idea of doing away with the police.

Perhaps there's anarchists around who believe they won't be victims of crime, or who perhaps wish to victimise others, but what normal person, who cannot afford private security, wants there to be no assistance if someone is breaking into their house?

It just seems so bizzare to me, that a major political platform could somehow get itself to actually think this can be a policy.
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Sometimes Yeah said:
I literally mentioned New York in the post you just quoted. I will not continue a dialogue with you. You seem to be looking for people to insult or attack, and I'm really not interested in facilitating you.
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You really didn't mention New York in the top post though.
 
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From New York Post:

In a statement last month, his folks insisted: “Biden does not believe that police should be defunded.”

Later, though, asked if money should be “redirected” away from cops, he replied, “Yes, absolutely.” And the charter for his alliance with Bernie Sanders vows to “reinvigorate community policing . . . and make smart investments to incentivize departments to build effective partnerships with social workers and mental-health and substance-use counselors” — which aligns with the #Defunders’ goals.

Yet, then on Wednesday, as a poll showed 81 percent of blacks want as much, or more, police presence, Biden — lo and behold! — called for more funding for cops, to handle the “God-awful problems” they face.

None of these statements was a gaffe. It’s just that even on a subject as vital as cops, Biden wants it both ways. Who knows where he really stands?
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I don’t know dude. I’ve seen few well thought out ideas on how to tackle the issue of police brutality and racial profiling. Most of what I see out there are reductionist thinking and arguments. It’s not as simple as “defunding” the police or throwing money at them. I’m fact, I’ve seen both things happen to the department of where I grew up, the Detroit Police Department. Defunded because of steep losses in tax revenue from people moving out in droves to throwing money at the department after exiting bankruptcy.

When the DPD could no longer patrol the city effectively because of budget cuts, crime spiraled out of control in the 80s and 90s. There were additional reasons for the increase, but that was likely the biggest culprit. Simply throwing money at the department wasn’t going to change anything either. It was only after the mayor in the 90s, Dennis Archer place the department in federal oversight that forced it to make reforms. As of today, Detroit is no longer the most violent city in America. Since 2015, the department has only killed 9 people which is impressive for any major American city. Overall, the reforms seen made at the DPD have been successful for the most part. It’s not perfect. I don’t see the fear of police as great as it seems to be with others in America. The officers make an effort to engage in community policing. I don’t think there’s been much violence, vandalism, arson or looting in Detroit since the video of George Floyd became public. At least nothing even close to what has happened in other cities. There’s been some spats with riot police during protests that led to a lot of arrests, but nothing major. You can read more about this topic in this Detroit News article: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...rompted-federal-oversight-reforms/5320917002/

All in all, I think the absolute worst thing we can do is let our political biases get in the way of this and/or take reductionist approaches towards fixing the problem, because there is a problem with policing in this country whether anyone realizes it or not.
 
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It won't. It's actually not funny now that I think about it. I'm laughing because of how abysmally dysfunctional and sad it all is.
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I just happened to go back a few pages and seen you pointing out that one guy as just being wrong for suggesting that defunding the police was an official position of the Democrats. I can’t believe he threw a fit and said that you were attacking and insulting him which it didn’t seem like you were to me at all.

This is really the kind of behavior that I’m not a fan of. I’ll cut him some slack for not being an American. It’s just ridiculous to see those on the right think a few in the party like AOC speak for the entire party.

Do they not see the infighting within the party? Why did Bernie Sanders get annihilated on Super Tuesday? Where were all the young voters at of whom needed to turn out and vote for him in the south and the Midwest? Per usual, they almost never turn out in big numbers and haven’t since the voting age dropped to 18 in the 70s. That’s why the party never bets on them.

What’s wild is I keep hearing young people complain about the Democrats not being progressive enough and always just being one of two sides of the same coin. Then never coming out to vote in big numbers, even in states where voter suppression isn’t a problem.

This big worry about the party becoming socialist and far left is simply fear mongering. When are the Republicans going to stop crying wolf? They’ve been sounding this alarm for decades now and even calling Biden socialist like they always do with everyone that isn’t a Republican.
 
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