Youth Going Through Gender Transition Are More At Risk Of Psychiatric Issues

QuickTwist said:
You can slander me all you want. I don't care. It doesn't hurt me. I'm just wondering who the next person is going to be that you go off on.
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It’s not an insult; it’s the medical description you love to cite so much. Now that it’s applied to you, you don't like it?


-Giammarco
 
Akar said:
It’s not an insult; it’s the medical description you love to cite so much. Now that it’s applied to you, you don't like it?


-Giammarco
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You say I am being illogical but the only way I can know this is because you told me so. You haven't actually made any points against what I have said. You've just done a bunch of ad homs.
 
QuickTwist said:
You say I am being illogical but the only way I can know this is because you told me so. You haven't actually made any points against what I have said. You've just done a bunch of ad homs.
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You are unable to contextualize anything I ask you, so how can you expect me to respond? You make logical leaps that make no sense. If you knew that British policy on the matter doesn't work, then you knew exactly what you were doing. Then you played the victim card, then the Bible verses.

It's not that others don't understand you because you're 'special,' it's because nothing you say makes any sense. Is it clear to you now?

-Giammarco
 
It's funny how transgender care doesn't fall under the preservation of life loophole
And yet basically anything else could easily get bucketed there if it's needed
That's really all this comes down to, not believing that it's about preservation of life
because of an inability to empathize with the legitimate severity of it
Again like anything, just simple ignorance
 
QuickTwist said:
Show me a peer reviewed article and we will talk.
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Here you go:
Tordoff et al. (2022) – JAMA Network Open


  • “Mental Health Outcomes in Transgender and Nonbinary Youths Receiving Gender-Affirming Care”
  • Design: Prospective cohort (n = 104 youth, ages 13–20)
  • Findings:
    • Gender-affirming care (puberty blockers or hormones) was associated with:
      • 60% lower odds of depression
      • 73% lower odds of suicidality over 12 months


Olson et al. (2024) – JAMA Pediatrics


 
And a few more:
Rew et al. (2021) – Child and Adolescent Mental Health


  • “Puberty blockers for transgender and gender diverse youth: a critical review”
  • Type: Peer-reviewed literature review
  • Conclusion:
    • Puberty blockers are part of gender-affirming care used to manage gender dysphoria
    • Evidence suggests psychological benefits, though more long-term data is needed

Systematic Review (2023) – multiple databases (Medline, Embase, etc.)


  • “Puberty blockers for gender dysphoria in youth: A systematic review and meta-analysis”
  • Findings:
    • Summarizes available evidence on psychological and physical outcomes
    • Indicates measurable effects on mental health and dysphoria, though certainty varies

Puberty blockers for gender dysphoria in youth: A systematic review and meta-analysis - PMC

Gender dysphoria (GD) refers to the psychological distress associated with the incongruence between one’s sex and one’s gender identity. To manage GD, individuals may delay the development of primary and secondary sex characteristics with the use of ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Klein et al. (2022) – peer-reviewed clinical journal


  • “Puberty Suppression in Transgender and Gender-Diverse Adolescents: Timely Care for Optimal Outcomes”
  • Key points:
    • Puberty suppression can reduce distress from unwanted puberty
    • Early intervention is discussed as beneficial for some patients
 
The typical process is to provide puberty blockers for a long period of evaluation, then if deemed appropriate, start the transgender minor on hormones congruent with their gender identity, usually after a couple years or so. This can prevent depression and suicidality and greatly increase quality of life.

If they are denied all gender affirming care, then they can end up with lifelong depression (like I have) or worse. Dysphoria is miserable to live with. I literally wake up every single day and think about this, wishing I had been able to go on puberty blockers and take estrogen when I was a teenager. Anyone who has been on this forum for a long period of time and who has seen my old blogs knows just how miserable I've been, especially my first blog back before my transition since I joined INFJs when I was 19. That misery could have been prevented.

I would encourage everyone to look into the studies posted above, look at what actual medical organizations are saying (which I posted earlier), and learn about the actual process involved with puberty blockers. If someone goes on puberty blockers and it turns out that transition isn't the best option for them, they can just go off of the puberty blockers and continue on with puberty of their birth assigned gender.

There is an extreme amount of misinformation and hostile actors from conservative and other hate groups who just plain hate trans people. And I'm disappointed to see people on the forum parroting the bigotry fed to them by those groups, creating a hostile environment for transgender forum users. Reading over this thread, it should be obvious they aren't interested in actual discussion. They just want to punch down on a minority that has been targeted politically because they are ignorant, bigots, maybe religious, idk.

My IMs are open if anyone wants to discuss this more in a civilized manner, but for my own mental health, I can't keep feeding the trolls in this thread. I've left the important information here for others to consider.
 
QuickTwist said:
I've already talked about the solution at length: treat issues in the mind as issues in the mind and treat issues in the body as issues in the body. There's no need to walk on eggshells to avoid offending people who have the delusion that they are born in the wrong body. Best to help them work through their mental issues rather than affirming them.
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I disagree.

If it was just "all in the mind" then what faye said about puberty blockers would not work.

Something is happening in trans persons that cannot be attributed to just "confusion".

It is important to note that what makes a person male or female psychologically is not just ideas otherwise we could program or trick people to be another gender. It must be related to a condition inside them that makes them have gender dysphoria in the first place beginning in childhood.
 
That which is resisted is indicative of the dystonic self, where the nonintegrated shadow which holds the truth of the person is externalized and projected.

Cheers,
Ian
 
Akar said:
You truly are unable to construct a speech with logical and sequential steps. You're right, we don't need to walk on eggshells,they have mental health issues in the same way you do, by being completely unaware that you are in the grip of a delirium, because none of your statements possess a sequential logical sense.

Words ≠ Violence

-Giammarco
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Asking a man of faith to explain God, the bible, and the magic of all of Humanity - as designed by God himself with logic is a wild stretch, G..
 
It’s funny to me how we are called by the liberal minded among us to be tolerant and refrain from the use of labels and ad hominems, yet in this entire thread no one Christian has called anyone any names nor labeled anyone. Unless you refer to Twist thinking Wy was atheist or satanic or whatever because of some posts he had seen. But the names and labels bestowed upon Christians in here has been intense.

. Bigots
. Radicals
. Religious radicals
. Intolerant
. Homophobic
. Transphobic
. Murderers of trans ( or would be )
. Prejudice
. Ignorant

If you want to walk through life without labels then extend the same courtesy to people of faith. I know not everyone here believes but many do. Some claim Christianity too while mocking the bible and the verses therein.

Seems to me if we are perceived as socially or totally ignorant - that it’s fair for us to say that those who claim Christ while shunning and rejecting His word are spiritually ignorant.

Christians are literally murdered as well as trans people in many countries, and are also facing hate in the west now as well since donning the worldly labels as seen above. Neither is right to do. But trans / lgbtqia people are not foretold to be the most persecuted of all time by the end times, Christians are.

We will be put to death for not taking the mark and following the heard. You can see the vitriol building - even on this forum.

And it makes me sad, to be honest.
 
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On the first page of this thread, it was assumed I am full of hate, and that I was attacking Christianity.

I said nothing about Christianity.
I said nothing hateful.
I never said anything about the God of the Jews, Muslims, and Christians.

No one asked me what I meant. Assumptions were made and then were projected.

I was not treated like a human being.

I was treated like an object.

No engagement. No actual desire to know.

Only victim status. Claimed I am filled with hate, and I am attacking.

Go ahead. Write the narrative that suits you. I do not care. Believe what you like. I do not care.

But if you are wondering why you are not being offered an olive branch, that may be part of the reason.

No ownership of trespass was offered. No apology. No inquiry. Only cast as enemy.

Best to You,
Ian
 
Sometimes it really is best if we all can agree that we just disagree. That shouldn’t mean we have to be on two sides of the forum or dislike each other. We are all more than our genders and our ideologies. I apologize for posting the Kindergarten Cop movie clip, it was immature of me and was in response to being told we of faith have a lack of common sense or intelligence. This is not so. We understand very well, we just don’t agree.

I don’t think anyone here is saying trans people deserve less than or to be treated poorly or ostracized.
 
I was talking to a relatively new friend of mine recently about INFJ’s and idealism. I told her that we are some of the deepest and most incredible people yet often argue and bite at each other’s throats because of our ideals (technically all NF’s). I told her that we have to be able to see the self and the shadow if we are going to have true growth because you can’t have one without at least mentally and emotionally knowing the other.

As a Christian I have felt devalued with aggression in this space and that has been hard on me to the point I wanted to lash out - and admittedly I did but after many belabored discussions I finally found that there is no convincing anyone to believe something without them finding their own way to that belief. I think this dynamic applies to this discussion.

Perhaps, the only real argument is the one inside that keeps a person returning to the argument.

Find your inner peace, smile, enjoy your weekend because it’s springtime and the world is full of new life. ❤️
 
Faye said:
Here you go:
Tordoff et al. (2022) – JAMA Network Open


  • “Mental Health Outcomes in Transgender and Nonbinary Youths Receiving Gender-Affirming Care”
  • Design: Prospective cohort (n = 104 youth, ages 13–20)
  • Findings:
    • Gender-affirming care (puberty blockers or hormones) was associated with:
      • 60% lower odds of depression
      • 73% lower odds of suicidality over 12 months


Olson et al. (2024) – JAMA Pediatrics


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The evidence is actually very weak in support of gender affirming care.

link.springer.com

Pediatric Gender Affirming Care is Not Evidence-based - Current Sexual Health Reports

Purpose of Review This paper reviews outcomes for risks and benefits of puberty blockers and gender-affirming hormones for pediatric gender dysphoria or gender-related distress. Recent Findings Studies conducted over the past 15–20 years have generally reported the effects of these interventions...
link.springer.com link.springer.com

In short, even if it DID actually increase mental wellness for transitioning (and there is not good evidence for that), you would still be ignoring the other health concerns from it.
 
Faye said:
And a few more:
Rew et al. (2021) – Child and Adolescent Mental Health


  • “Puberty blockers for transgender and gender diverse youth: a critical review”
  • Type: Peer-reviewed literature review
  • Conclusion:
    • Puberty blockers are part of gender-affirming care used to manage gender dysphoria
    • Evidence suggests psychological benefits, though more long-term data is needed

Systematic Review (2023) – multiple databases (Medline, Embase, etc.)


  • “Puberty blockers for gender dysphoria in youth: A systematic review and meta-analysis”
  • Findings:
    • Summarizes available evidence on psychological and physical outcomes
    • Indicates measurable effects on mental health and dysphoria, though certainty varies

Puberty blockers for gender dysphoria in youth: A systematic review and meta-analysis - PMC

Gender dysphoria (GD) refers to the psychological distress associated with the incongruence between one’s sex and one’s gender identity. To manage GD, individuals may delay the development of primary and secondary sex characteristics with the use of ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Klein et al. (2022) – peer-reviewed clinical journal


  • “Puberty Suppression in Transgender and Gender-Diverse Adolescents: Timely Care for Optimal Outcomes”
  • Key points:
    • Puberty suppression can reduce distress from unwanted puberty
    • Early intervention is discussed as beneficial for some patients
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From the systematic review:

"There remains considerable uncertainty regarding the effects of puberty blockers in individuals experiencing GD. Methodologically rigorous prospective studies are needed to understand the effects of this intervention."
 
aeon said:
On the first page of this thread, it was assumed I am full of hate, and that I was attacking Christianity.

I said nothing about Christianity.
I said nothing hateful.
I never said anything about the God of the Jews, Muslims, and Christians.

No one asked me what I meant. Assumptions were made and then were projected.

I was not treated like a human being.

I was treated like an object.

No engagement. No actual desire to know.

Only victim status. Claimed I am filled with hate, and I am attacking.

Go ahead. Write the narrative that suits you. I do not care. Believe what you like. I do not care.

But if you are wondering why you are not being offered an olive branch, that may be part of the reason.

No ownership of trespass was offered. No apology. No inquiry. Only cast as enemy.

Best to You,
Ian
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After rereading some of this thread, you are correct that you did not call out any one specific religion, nor religion as a whole... However, I explained here how I can reasonably draw that conclusion...

QuickTwist said:
Alright, here's what you actually said:



Do you believe in God? If you don't, then it very much IS an attack on religions that believes that God exists, which you describe as "judgmental pricks." You must first believe that God exists to believe you are made perfect by Him. That's the logical conclusion that you can deduce from what you said if you do not believe in God. Why? Because if you do not believe in God, then one must ask why belief in God is tied to "judgmental pricks."

Further, I do not know who believes they are "made perfect in the eyes of God." Who is saying that, and what is the connection of that to the topic at hand?

Obviously, I am doing some heuristics because this is a sort of argument that people frequently make about people who believe in God by people who do not believe in God.

I am also going based on other things you have said on this forum about people who are religious and Christian, and context matters.
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