Clinton vs Trump, Trump vs Clinton

Sandie33 said:
I'll petiton to adopt @James. He will be a fine...what's that position called that does all the hiring for the Prez?...anyhoo...we'll get him citizenship and 365 pairs of socks & a charge card at Pappa John's Pizaria. He will do great.
*Just don't forget to send Momma a Christmas card :p
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Forget @Milktoast Bandit Vote Vote Vote @Sandie33 lol. Sorry Milky.. forgive me..
 
infj1357 said:
Really? I didn't know that. It is typical npd behaviour. OMG he is so predictable.
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Yes.. He alone can save is all...typical narc...I heard too he put his one point plan in Sharpie on his head under that animal he calls hair in hope that osmosis will set it in. :-P. (seriously, he has the legal beagles going over the rules & law to contest the election if he loses. Claims if he wins he's firing Comfry and putting...gwahh, Giuliani in as FBI chief)
 
Sandie33 said:
Yes.. He alone can save is all...typical narc...I heard too he put his one point plan in Sharpie on his head under that animal he calls hair in hope that osmosis will set it in. :p. (seriously, he has the legal beagles going over the rules & law to contest the election if he loses. Claims if he wins he's firing Comfry and putting...gwahh, Giuliani in as FBI chief)
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Lol @ the one point plan under that animal on his head.
Such a narc.
And he'll have his sticky fingers in politics in a troublesome way for many months following the election. It's what sore loser npds do..
 
dang said:
Voting for someone you do not believe in is not necessarily being mature and strategic, but can be considered a way of compromising your integrity and enabling a broken system to continue indefinitely.
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How does not participating in the process do anything more than this? Voting is the minimum you should be doing, if you believe the system is broken you to come up with a plan to fix it. Nothing was ever changed by doing nothing
 
dang said:
You could even argue, as even some progressives have, that electing Donald could result in a tipping point where by a majority of Americans become fed up and then rise up and demand real change to the federal government and election system
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The issue with this theory is that there may not be a democracy to save after 4 years of Donald, not to mention you will have emboldened some very undemocratic groups like white supremacists for example. How does positive change happen this way??
 
brightmoon said:
How does not participating in the process do anything more than this? Voting is the minimum you should be doing, if you believe the system is broken you to come up with a plan to fix it. Nothing was ever changed by doing nothing
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I feel that expressing myself has an impact, while voting has none. If I were to vote tomorrow, every election in CA would have the exact same result as if I were to not vote. It would change nothing. That is a fact.
 
dang said:
Even if you vote for her because you believe her to be the lesser of two evils, that does not mean she deserves to be president. If Hillary were running against even Romney, I think she would lose, just like she lost out to Barry O 8 years ago. She can't win an election unless it involves someone as cartoonishly unqualified as Donald as her competition. And what does that say about her? She couldn't even beat Bernie without DNC help, now the FBI is probably giving her a free pass (for now) to further her cause once again.
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If someone is voted in they deserve to president, thats democracy. Whether she could have beat Romney (Mister 47%) is speculation. Was Bush Jr, a legitimate president when he beat Al Gore? Most people including the loudest complainer about a "rigged system" had no issue when their candidate came out on top.

She could beat Sanders without DNC help? The primary system existed before the fight with Sanders and the super delegates were not created for her.

If what the FBI has done to her, including the extra-judicial comments Comey has made about her constitute a "free pass" and have "furthered her cause" I don't know which election you have been watching. Typically law enforcement either brings about charges or shuts up which is why Comey's comments were extraordinary.
 
brightmoon said:
The issue with this theory is that there may not be a democracy to save after 4 years of Donald, not to mention you will have emboldened some very undemocratic groups like white supremacists for example. How does positive change happen this way??
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The notion that Donald could single handedly destroy America's democracy is fear mongering hyperbole. The same was said concerning W. 12 years ago. Even if Donald were to win, you think he would have Congress murdered and the constitution destroyed and all illegal immigrants deported? Please. If Dick Cheney couldn't destroy this country, it is going to take much more than someone as clueless as Donald to do it. He could fuck shit up a little, but then stable liberals would likely be elected in 2020, 2024, and 2028 in order to clean up his mess.
 
dang said:
I feel that expressing myself has an impact, while voting has none. If I were to vote tomorrow, every election in CA would have the exact same result as if I were to not vote. It would change nothing. That is a fac
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And if everyone in CA did the same thing as you would that bring about change?
 
dang said:
The notion that Donald could single handedly destroy America's democracy is fear mongering hyperbole. The same was said concerning W. 12 years ago. Even if Donald were to win, you think he would have Congress murdered and the constitution destroyed and all illegal immigrants deported?
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Democracy and the rule of law may be more fragile than you assume. Fascism can corrode democracy and fear can undermine even the most stable system.
 
The polling place was right across the street from me. About 5 blocks. I walked. On my way home I stopped at a random location and took a picture.
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My impression is this. I saw many more people in line with a Democrat ballot than Gop. About 10 vs 1. But 100 with no ballot at all. Which might mean something like Democrats have to have something that tells them who to vote for because they dont know...
Next, voter turn out is alot lower than it was for the last two Presidential elections. I lived in the same area for the last and that line was out the door...guessing 1000 people compared to the hundred or so I saw today. Yes time of day would play a role but...thats just what I am taking away.
Of note, the one Gop ballot paper I saw was held by a Hispanic gentleman. Every blue ballot I saw with exception of one was held by a woman.
 
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