Clinton vs Trump, Trump vs Clinton

dang said:
But if there is no "good person" running, this chart is useless. When asked who he is voting for, an economist replied that he is not voting, because both candidates make him sick, but for different reasons. I think he made a valid point. Voting for someone you do not believe in is not necessarily being mature and strategic, but can be considered a way of compromising your integrity and enabling a broken system to continue indefinitely. Neither Donald nor Hillary, in my humble opinion, will change or improve anything substantial for this country. You could even argue, as even some progressives have, that electing Donald could result in a tipping point where by a majority of Americans become fed up and then rise up and demand real change to the federal government and election system. In many ways, even if you are liberal, Hillary is a major compromise, and is like putting a small band aid on our country's problems. She is part of the establishment which has led us to this failed system of governance. She is a symbol of Washington corruption, incompetence, and greed. Not only do Trump supporters hate her, but many Bernie supporters hate her as well. What does she represent? Conservatism? Liberalism? Change? Progress? Standing up to corporations or banks or special interests? Removing government corruption and bureaucracy? Pacifism? Being non-interventionist with regard to foreign disputes which involve combat and violence? Transparency? Consistency? Probably none of the above. Even if you vote for her because you believe her to be the lesser of two evils, that does not mean she deserves to be president. If Hillary were running against even Romney, I think she would lose, just like she lost out to Barry O 8 years ago. She can't win an election unless it involves someone as cartoonishly unqualified as Donald as her competition. And what does that say about her? She couldn't even beat Bernie without DNC help, now the FBI is probably giving her a free pass (for now) to further her cause once again. This should have been the election where everyone came together and rejected the two major parties. We should have found a way to elect a qualified independent candidate who was preferable to all of the current options. If you vote for Hillary or Donald, you are voting for the continuation of a duopoly which screws over everyone except for those in power. United we stand, divided we fall. Or divide and conquer. I am sorry to say that regardless of who wins the White House this week, the citizens of this country will for the most part lose out. I am so tired of these absurd choices. We all need to have higher expectations with regard to our leaders, otherwise we will be led not by the best and the brightest, but by the worst and the stupidest. And we are getting closer all the time. What is happening?
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"Good" is subjective. It's not that there isn't a good candidate, it's that every one has their own ideal of what "good" or "good enough" is.

And there are more than two candidates running. There is even an option to write in your own candidate if you choose to do so. You could even vote for Grumpy Cat if you want. You could vote for Darth Vader. You could vote for yourself or even @Milktoast Bandit .

This election isn't just about the presidency, it's also a vote for senators, city council members and officials, and changes to local government that will impact my community, my nephew's education, my father's healthcare, and so much more. I take voting seriously.

Not voting at all, in my very humbled opinion, just shows that someone doesn't give a rat's ass. Which is fine if people honestly don't, but I have strong feelings about people who refuse to vote and then continue to go on about how horrible our government is. A vote for Grumpy Cat speaks a helluva lot louder than someone saying they're not voting at all.

This isn't directed towards you, just my take.
 
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Free said:
"Good" is subjective. It's not that there isn't a good candidate, it's that every one has their own ideal of what "good" or "good enough" is.

And there are more than two candidates running. There is even an option to write in your own candidate if you choose to do so. You could even vote for Grumpy Cat if you want. You could vote for Darth Vader. You could vote for yourself or even @Milktoast Bandit .

This election isn't just about the presidency, it's also a vote for senators, city council members and officials, and changes to local government that will impact my community, my nephew's education, my father's healthcare, and so much more. I take voting seriously.

Not voting at all, in my very humbled opinion, just shows that someone doesn't give a rat's ass. Which is fine if people honestly don't, but I have strong feelings about people who refuse to vote and then continue to go on about how horrible our government is. A vote for Grumpy Cat speaks a helluva lot louder than someone saying they're not voting at all.

This isn't directed towards you, just my take.
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You have convinced me. I am voting for Grumpy Cat. Hope he wins.
 
Free said:
"Good" is subjective. It's not that there isn't a good candidate, it's that every one has their own ideal of what "good" or "good enough" is.

And there are more than two candidates running. There is even an option to write in your own candidate if you choose to do so. You could even vote for Grumpy Cat if you want. You could vote for Darth Vader. You could vote for yourself or even @Milktoast Bandit .

This election isn't just about the presidency, it's also a vote for senators, city council members and officials, and changes to local government that will impact my community, my nephew's education, my father's healthcare, and so much more. I take voting seriously.

Not voting at all, in my very humbled opinion, just shows that someone doesn't give a rat's ass. Which is fine if people honestly don't, but I have strong feelings about people who refuse to vote and then continue to go on about how horrible our government is. A vote for Grumpy Cat speaks a helluva lot louder than someone saying they're not voting at all.

This isn't directed towards you, just my take.
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@Milktoast Bandit - see ! Maybe it's late in the day... but you are in the lead now Milky !!
I told you I'd make this right. Now the Jedi Council and Darth Vader have endorced you, there's no way you can lose. The Force is with you buddy..

 
I'll have to tell my daughter that Grumpy Cat is an option. She told me she was voting (if she could) for Hillary Clinton. I asked her why and she said "Because she's a girl."

It's okay she says that because she's 7. :p
 
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Milktoast Bandit said:
Yeah this is easy. The people don't need anymore negativity anyway. The world will be so much better when I'm President.

Vote Milky B for President of the United States of America

"What could possibly go wrong?"
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Sandie33 said:
O M Gosh--this is hysterical :p
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@Sandie33 Milky hasn't replied yet.. I think I may have been fired again..

@Milktoast Bandit I hope this hasn't offended you Milky. For what's its worth, I genuinely believe you'd be way better for America than either of the two candidates. I thought you'd like the Star Wars thing, but if you are more of a Star Trek guy I apologize.
 
dang said:
I am not fond of anyone running for president. But with that being said, Donald is simply completely unqualified to be president. Dictator of a third world country? Possibly. But president of this country? Hell no. Even if you despise Hillary, at least be honest about Donald's qualifications, or lack there of. He is a con artist and showman, driven exclusively by self interest, not to mention he is a pathological liar. Say whatever you will about Hillary, but Donald has the potential to be an unmitigated disaster as president, much worse than Bush Jr. in my opinion. Unlike most people, I am capable of being unbiased because I am apolitical. I don't support anyone. I just think that anyone who honestly believes that Donald would be a good president has been living in a cave. I watched every second of all three debates. He is woefully ignorant, simplistic, inarticulate, immature, petty, vindictive, crass, boorish, rude, dishonest, arrogant, and mean. Nobody can reasonably deny any of these claims if they have been paying attention with an open mind. If it wasn't for the fact that Donald is more charismatic than Hillary, and that she is a boring candidate, this election would be a huge blowout in her favor. Virtually everyone is blinded to their own candidate's faults. Let's be honest here. Hillary is a very weak candidate. She is barely ahead of Donald, which really says something about her. But Donald is by far the worst nominee of a major party in modern American history. My concern is that a Pandora's box has now been opened. With Bush Jr., and then with Palin, and now with Donald, it seems that it is now only a matter of time before this country ends up with a president who is woefully unqualified for the job, not to mention one who has the potential to become a fascist. I am afraid the legacy of Trump will never go away. His supporters will not merely disappear. I wish I were wrong, but this election, no matter how it turns out, could usher in a new era of the cult of personality in American politics reminiscent of third world contries. One day historians may look back and recognize 2016 as the point in American history where we became unhinged as a nation, a point when it became inevitable that our nation would not remain a super power with great potential much longer. We'll see what happens. This election should ultimately be a warning to everyone. If the 2020 or 2024 election is not radically different from this divisive one, it may be too late for a course correction. I wish I were more optimistic these days, but sadly I am not. Election, I can't quit you baby, but I have to put you down for a little while. You are driving me crazy.
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For the love of God, @dang, vote! We need you!
 
I hope that 4chan hacks to vote to say Hitler did nothing wrong
 
James said:
@Milktoast Bandit - see ! Maybe it's late in the day... but you are in the lead now Milky !!
I told you I'd make this right. Now the Jedi Council and Darth Vader have endorced you, there's no way you can lose. The Force is with you buddy..

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James. You are my hero.

Just thought you ought to know.
 
James said:
@Milktoast Bandit - see ! Maybe it's late in the day... but you are in the lead now Milky !!
I told you I'd make this right. Now the Jedi Council and Darth Vader have endorced you, there's no way you can lose. The Force is with you buddy..

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Sorry James I've been out collecting votes all day. I think I'm up to 6 for the day! At one point after I went through my spiel a female voter asked, "What's a milky b?" So I made a homemade video with her so she could know for sure. I'm not sure if I secured that vote or not. Good news is, the election will be over before the video is leaked to the public.

I must say James, you've really turned into a fine campaign manager. Your efforts and this video far surpasses the nugatory drivel of your previous efforts. You're really earning your pay now, bro! Too bad you got denied US citizenship. I could really use you out on the streets with me. But don't worry. Once I'm elected, I'll get you over here. I don't care what your criminal past is. Keep up the great work!!
 
Milktoast Bandit said:
Sorry James I've been out collecting votes all day. I think I'm up to 6 for the day! At one point after I went through my spiel a female voter asked, "What's a milky b?" So I made a homemade video with her so she could know for sure. I'm not sure if I secured that vote or not. Good news is, the election will be over before the video is leaked to the public.

I must say James, you've really turned into a fine campaign manager. Your efforts and this video far surpasses the nugatory drivel of your previous efforts. You're really earning your pay now, bro! Too bad you got denied US citizenship. I could really use you out on the streets with me. But don't worry. Once I'm elected, I'll get you over here. I don't care what your criminal past is. Keep up the great work!!
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Thank you @Milktoast Bandit I appreciate it. I think it's time for America to face up to the fact, that Putin wants a Death Star. If America doesn't get there first under your leadership ? You will all be forced to listen to the Polka and wear silly hats etc. It's a real thing. That's what will happen. Putin is a Death Star obssessed fanatic with a penchant for taking selfies with no shirt on.

Yoda is with you, America is with you. Fortunately for me, I am miles away in a secret bunker. good luck mate.
 
melissa* said:
Good luck everyone.
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Milktoast Bandit said:
Sorry James I've been out collecting votes all day. I think I'm up to 6 for the day! At one point after I went through my spiel a female voter asked, "What's a milky b?" So I made a homemade video with her so she could know for sure. I'm not sure if I secured that vote or not. Good news is, the election will be over before the video is leaked to the public.

I must say James, you've really turned into a fine campaign manager. Your efforts and this video far surpasses the nugatory drivel of your previous efforts. You're really earning your pay now, bro! Too bad you got denied US citizenship. I could really use you out on the streets with me. But don't worry. Once I'm elected, I'll get you over here. I don't care what your criminal past is. Keep up the great work!!
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Milktoast Bandit said:
Too bad you got denied US citizenship.
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I'll petiton to adopt @James. He will be a fine...what's that position called that does all the hiring for the Prez?...anyhoo...we'll get him citizenship and 365 pairs of socks & a charge card at Pappa John's Pizaria. He will do great.
*Just don't forget to send Momma a Christmas card :-P
 
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