Clinton vs Trump, Trump vs Clinton

"The selfish misconception that induces you to transform into eternal laws of nature and of reason,
the social forms springing from your present mode of production and form of property –
historical relations that rise and disappear in the progress of production – this misconception you
share with every ruling class that has preceded you. What you see clearly in the case of ancient
property, what you admit in the case of feudal property, you are of course forbidden to admit in
the case of your own bourgeois form of property.
Abolition [Aufhebung] of the family! "
Ooph! I read the whole damn thing. :p. I don't agree with comunism, socialism, collectivism, nor individualism...I do believe in family.

You have my vote MilkyB if you can convince my fellow Americans of the importance of family whether born or made...I will petition to adopt you as to give you legal citizenship (lord knows we have political issuance with legal birth certificates, lol) to be our next fearsome leader...who knows, today America, tomorrow the world!! :m029:Bahahahahaha!

**isn't this how folks like Stollin, Hitler, Putan, Bushes and now Trumps must think...?!? Find a cause and convince others there is no other?!?

:p. Thank you @Milktoast Bandit for being a good bloke and providing us Yanks with some good sense humor in an otherwise fearful time. ❤hugz2U.

Family made...could mean the mafia or MS13...
Yes I know what you mean but be careful because humans...group together for a reason. You are stronger in numbers and when all is said and done, most are hardly removed from the animal kingdom. Most cant see their programming much less move past it.
 
"The selfish misconception that induces you to transform into eternal laws of nature and of reason,
the social forms springing from your present mode of production and form of property –
historical relations that rise and disappear in the progress of production – this misconception you
share with every ruling class that has preceded you. What you see clearly in the case of ancient
property, what you admit in the case of feudal property, you are of course forbidden to admit in
the case of your own bourgeois form of property.
Abolition [Aufhebung] of the family! "
Ooph! I read the whole damn thing. :p. I don't agree with comunism, socialism, collectivism, nor individualism...I do believe in family.

You have my vote MilkyB if you can convince my fellow Americans of the importance of family whether born or made...I will petition to adopt you as to give you legal citizenship (lord knows we have political issuance with legal birth certificates, lol) to be our next fearsome leader...who knows, today America, tomorrow the world!! :m029:Bahahahahaha!

**isn't this how folks like Stollin, Hitler, Putan, Bushes and now Trumps must think...?!? Find a cause and convince others there is no other?!?

:p. Thank you @Milktoast Bandit for being a good bloke and providing us Yanks with some good sense humor in an otherwise fearful time. ❤hugz2U.
@Sandie33 gets 1,000 points for being able to read the whole damned thing!
 
Looks like your little bird was telling a fib.

What a sly little fox.
You bring up a good point though. I for one ak disgusted at the deception. While its not as focused as what Dan Rather did its born of the same reasons. Either way even though it will likely prove accurate in the end its misleading reporting. Ill never trust Bret again and I think its in Foxnews best interest to, in a very public way, call him out for it and let him go. Of course CNN, MsNbc do this type of thing ALL the time but thats what they are. Take that away and they dont have a program anymore.
 
Family made...could mean the mafia or MS13...
Yes I know what you mean but be careful because humans...group together for a reason. You are stronger in numbers and when all is said and done, most are hardly removed from the animal kingdom. Most cant see their programming much less move past it.
I can surely not diagree with you there!! I'm *blush* the type who wants a collective order of peace. I know it's naieve...however, it causes me to be happy if I can increase the ranks of "that"family :-)
 
"The selfish misconception that induces you to transform into eternal laws of nature and of reason,
the social forms springing from your present mode of production and form of property –
historical relations that rise and disappear in the progress of production – this misconception you
share with every ruling class that has preceded you. What you see clearly in the case of ancient
property, what you admit in the case of feudal property, you are of course forbidden to admit in
the case of your own bourgeois form of property.
Abolition [Aufhebung] of the family! "
Ooph! I read the whole damn thing. :p. I don't agree with comunism, socialism, collectivism, nor individualism...I do believe in family.

You have my vote MilkyB if you can convince my fellow Americans of the importance of family whether born or made...I will petition to adopt you as to give you legal citizenship (lord knows we have political issuance with legal birth certificates, lol) to be our next fearsome leader...who knows, today America, tomorrow the world!! :m029:Bahahahahaha!

**isn't this how folks like Stollin, Hitler, Putan, Bushes and now Trumps must think...?!? Find a cause and convince others there is no other?!?

:p. Thank you @Milktoast Bandit for being a good bloke and providing us Yanks with some good sense humor in an otherwise fearful time. ❤hugz2U.

Thank you Sandie. You bring up some fantastic points. First, come here, let me give you a hug. *whispers in your ear, 'where on earth do you think I'm from woman!?' I am America itself, don't you know?'* Nevermind @James and his birth certificate questioning, he's just meddling in the election. Ok, get away from me now, go sit over there so I can speak to you all presidential like.

You believe in family do ya? Well that's fantastic. I believe in family! See, I'm just like you. I relate to you Sandie. We're the same now, so let me tell you what I'm going to do as the next President of the United States. The first thing I'm going to do is shake up the system. And by shake up the system, I mean wipe it clean. Like a mandala, nothing left. No politicians, no political system as we know it. It is broken and corrupt beyond repair. When I am President, it will no longer exist. In essence, you give me your vote for a four year term and you have me for life. I know I can count on you, Sandie, we're the same. We want the same thing and it is good.

Democracy is a wonderful idea but look at the shape we're in. Bickering, fighting, killing, invading. So much stress in the country today. Why? Because we are free to do what we want. But the people are weak, greedy, selfish. They want money, and power, stuff, pleasure. And they want it all and they trample their brothers and sisters to get it.

What I will bring to this country is what you feel in your heart, Sandie. It is not democracy, it is not socialism. The people will not work for the government. The people will not be taxed. All labor, food, shelter, the things we see around us, the things we depend on, will no longer require a trade of labor for money. No, it will all be volunteered. Everyone lives for everyone else. And now the naysayers scoff Sandie. They shout at the top of their lungs Sandie. "This is naive! It's ridiculous!" But it is not, Sandie. It is the natural way. Look around at the beauty of this earth. In the most natural way, everything self sacrifices for something else. Why not us? The problem is the hearts and minds of our brothers and sisters. Our family.

Now, I'm not going to get into the details of how I will accomplish this. I will say it is a plan. A great plan. The best plan ever! It involves Spiritual practices, reeducation camps, and for those that struggle to adapt, MDMA and LSD therapy, and for those that resist more still, well, they will be considered a lost cause and wiped out. The end goal is a very real possibility. Selfish ego destroyed and selfless love in its place. Where everyone recognizes their deepest yearning of the soul and gives to others what they themselves need most. Everyone will have everything they could ever wish for because there will be no desire for things. What is needed is given by everyone to everyone. What is more family than that? Peace beyond understanding. Oh yeah, and national defense will be just that.

Don't listen to the naysayers Sandie. They say it can't happen. With your vote we can prove them wrong.

I will not be answer questions at this time. And I will not reply to contrary ideas, common arguments, insults, kind words, comments, suggestions, facts or opinions, bubbly banter, or emojis. (Unless it do)

Get out and vote for Milky B for President of the United States of America

"What could possibly go wrong?"



Edit: Shit. I misread your post. I have your vote if I can convince Americans? Change all the 'Sandie's' to 'fellow American's'
 
Thank you Sandie. You bring up some fantastic points. First, come here, let me give you a hug. *whispers in your ear, 'where on earth do you think I'm from woman!?' I am America itself, don't you know?'* Nevermind @James and his birth certificate questioning, he's just meddling in the election. Ok, get away from me now, go sit over there so I can speak to you all presidential like.

You believe in family do ya? Well that's fantastic. I believe in family! See, I'm just like you. I relate to you Sandie. We're the same now, so let me tell you what I'm going to do as the next President of the United States. The first thing I'm going to do is shake up the system. And by shake up the system, I mean wipe it clean. Like a mandala, nothing left. No politicians, no political system as we know it. It is broken and corrupt beyond repair. When I am President, it will no longer exist. In essence, you give me your vote for a four year term and you have me for life. I know I can count on you, Sandie, we're the same. We want the same thing and it is good.

Democracy is a wonderful idea but look at the shape we're in. Bickering, fighting, killing, invading. So much stress in the country today. Why? Because we are free to do what we want. But the people are weak, greedy, selfish. They want money, and power, stuff, pleasure. And they want it all and they trample their brothers and sisters to get it.

What I will bring to this country is what you feel in your heart, Sandie. It is not democracy, it is not socialism. The people will not work for the government. The people will not be taxed. All labor, food, shelter, the things we see around us, the things we depend on, will no longer require a trade of labor for money. No, it will all be volunteered. Everyone lives for everyone else. And now the naysayers scoff Sandie. They shout at the top of their lungs Sandie. "This is naive! It's ridiculous!" But it is not, Sandie. It is the natural way. Look around at the beauty of this earth. In the most natural way, everything self sacrifices for something else. Why not us? The problem is the hearts and minds of our brothers and sisters. Our family.

Now, I'm not going to get into the details of how I will accomplish this. I will say it is a plan. A great plan. The best plan ever! It involves Spiritual practices, reeducation camps, and for those that struggle to adapt, MDMA and LSD therapy, and for those that resist more still, well, they will be considered a lost cause and wiped out. The end goal is a very real possibility. Selfish ego destroyed and selfless love in its place. Where everyone recognizes their deepest yearning of the soul and gives to others what they themselves need most. Everyone will have everything they could ever wish for because there will be no desire for things. What is needed is given by everyone to everyone. What is more family than that? Peace beyond understanding. Oh yeah, and national defense will be just that.

Don't listen to the naysayers Sandie. They say it can't happen. With your vote we can prove them wrong.

I will not be answer questions at this time. And I will not reply to contrary ideas, common arguments, insults, kind words, comments, suggestions, facts or opinions, bubbly banter, or emojis. (Unless it do)

Get out and vote for Milky B for President of the United States of America

"What could possibly go wrong?"


Edit: Shit. I misread your post. I have your vote if I can convince Americans? Change all the 'Sandie's' to 'fellow American's'

@Milktoast Bandit you asked me to 'ruin your campaign'. Wait, hang on my bad, you did type 'run'. Sorry mate, it's not too late, we still have until Tuesday.. I will fix it I swear..
 
It's ok James I got this. I may have picked up one vote. Only hundreds of millions more to go!

I like it milky. Lets stick with the super charged 'ignore reality' optimism until Tuesday, and leave the bitter arguments, blame game, recriminations and reproaches until wednesday... it's never failed me as a stratgegy.
 
Thank you Sandie. You bring up some fantastic points. First, come here, let me give you a hug. *whispers in your ear, 'where on earth do you think I'm from woman!?' I am America itself, don't you know?'* Nevermind @James and his birth certificate questioning, he's just meddling in the election. Ok, get away from me now, go sit over there so I can speak to you all presidential like.

You believe in family do ya? Well that's fantastic. I believe in family! See, I'm just like you. I relate to you Sandie. We're the same now, so let me tell you what I'm going to do as the next President of the United States. The first thing I'm going to do is shake up the system. And by shake up the system, I mean wipe it clean. Like a mandala, nothing left. No politicians, no political system as we know it. It is broken and corrupt beyond repair. When I am President, it will no longer exist. In essence, you give me your vote for a four year term and you have me for life. I know I can count on you, Sandie, we're the same. We want the same thing and it is good.

Democracy is a wonderful idea but look at the shape we're in. Bickering, fighting, killing, invading. So much stress in the country today. Why? Because we are free to do what we want. But the people are weak, greedy, selfish. They want money, and power, stuff, pleasure. And they want it all and they trample their brothers and sisters to get it.

What I will bring to this country is what you feel in your heart, Sandie. It is not democracy, it is not socialism. The people will not work for the government. The people will not be taxed. All labor, food, shelter, the things we see around us, the things we depend on, will no longer require a trade of labor for money. No, it will all be volunteered. Everyone lives for everyone else. And now the naysayers scoff Sandie. They shout at the top of their lungs Sandie. "This is naive! It's ridiculous!" But it is not, Sandie. It is the natural way. Look around at the beauty of this earth. In the most natural way, everything self sacrifices for something else. Why not us? The problem is the hearts and minds of our brothers and sisters. Our family.

Now, I'm not going to get into the details of how I will accomplish this. I will say it is a plan. A great plan. The best plan ever! It involves Spiritual practices, reeducation camps, and for those that struggle to adapt, MDMA and LSD therapy, and for those that resist more still, well, they will be considered a lost cause and wiped out. The end goal is a very real possibility. Selfish ego destroyed and selfless love in its place. Where everyone recognizes their deepest yearning of the soul and gives to others what they themselves need most. Everyone will have everything they could ever wish for because there will be no desire for things. What is needed is given by everyone to everyone. What is more family than that? Peace beyond understanding. Oh yeah, and national defense will be just that.

Don't listen to the naysayers Sandie. They say it can't happen. With your vote we can prove them wrong.

I will not be answer questions at this time. And I will not reply to contrary ideas, common arguments, insults, kind words, comments, suggestions, facts or opinions, bubbly banter, or emojis. (Unless it do)

Get out and vote for Milky B for President of the United States of America

"What could possibly go wrong?"



Edit: Shit. I misread your post. I have your vote if I can convince Americans? Change all the 'Sandie's' to 'fellow American's'
Whoot'whoot'whoot....neener'neener! we're headed to the white house.
:m124::m164::m024:
......wait,
Did he day LSD? :m130:
 
It's not my country and it's not my vote. And I would be annoyed if someone from overseas called a candidate for a presidency for my country a clown. However, this time I am speaking up because the effect of the outcome of the US election will ripple across the world. Too many innocent people will be adversely effected, IMO. We are part of a global community...I don't know, I have a bad feeling about this..
Good for you for saying it.
 
It is really time to echo what @infj1357 and @melissa* have said. It's not my country and it's not my vote either. Americans might not care what the rest of the world thinks and thats fine but I am going to express my view anyway and the Americans on the forum can take it or leave it. Canadians in my circle think Trump is a clown too and the general belief is that he will damage America's relationship with those countries which long standing alliances have been formed. No one likes to be dictated to and that is not the way alliances work. If there is a President Trump he may be in for rude awakening unless he changes his attitude. Canadians are some the best friends Americans have in the world, but our friendship and support is not unconditional. We are a small country so you might not need our support in the things you want to do in the world, and maybe we can be safely ignored, but when all the small countries feel the same way, maybe there might be a problem. I am just stating this is a factor you might want to consider in the choice you about to make.
 
I'm not buying not for a second. The argument that his words don't represent his attitudes is completely wrong. Trump apologists try to minimize it as "locker room talk" or "saying mean things" but those arguments do not bear any serious scrutiny. His sexism, misogyny and racism cannot be so easily and glibly dismissed. How many men do actually know @CindyLou that brag about groping women and believe because of their wealth and power it is their right to do so? If anything Hillary has been the victim of sexism throughout this whole election. Tell me what male candidate would be held responsible for the shortcomings of their spouse?

His comments never suggested he believed it was his right to do so.

Male candidates have been held responsible for the shortcomings of their spouse many times in the past. I have no reason to think this is happening to her because she's a woman.

The pearl clutching about Mr. Trump is hypocritical and not believable because when it happens to the Clintons they sing an entirely different tune.
 
Sure Trump an embarrassment and what about Hillary? Ok lets say the corrupt...person wins. Shell me impeached within weeks.
Anyone who votes for Hillary needs to leave this country. You have no idea what an American is.

Tell us then.
What has Trump done to make America great?
What have you done to make America great personally?
Bitch and complain?
Is an “American” anyone in North America and South America, or are we talking Native Americans whom we slaughtered and continue to this day to take land from? (see Dakota Pipeline and the deal John McCain just recently made down in AZ)
Have you served your country in any way other than paying your obligatory taxes?

Pretty bold statement when it looks pretty certain that she is going to win...but then again, that will spark your cognitively dissonant “civil war”.
Then we’ll all see...right?
Talk...talk...talk...
 
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His comments never suggested he believed it was his right to do so.

Of course they did! Read the transcript below for yourself, in case you need reminding.

TRUMP:
"Yeah that's her in the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs [breath fresheners] just in case I start kissing her. You know, I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."

BUSH: "Whatever you want."

TRUMP: "Grab them by the p****. You can do anything.


Male candidates have been held responsible for the shortcomings of their spouse many times in the past.

Like who and when?

The pearl clutching about Mr. Trump is hypocritical and not believable because when it happens to the Clintons they sing an entirely different tune.

Tell me when and how Hillary Clinton has bragged about doing anything like this. A small reminder, ONE Clinton is running for president, not TWO.
 
^That must be about the worst Presidential catch phrase ever!

I feel I have to defend @Milktoast Bandit here.

He hired me to ruin run his campaign. Due to an error in communication (I was asleep) things didn't get off to a great start, but I think he's strong on all the issues. He is clear on gun control (he insists people point them at themselves first and then shoot) and is pro everything. Pro typing, pro forum, pro negativity and pro any anti proponents of those same views. Or not.

I could be wrong though. He may well oppose all of those views. It's hard to tell as despite ruining running his campaign, we rarely discuss politics, as we all know, this is the kind of thing that can cause arguments. On a brighter note I can deliver the exciting news that the UK tv show "The Last Leg" are going to be covering the election live. It will be the most serious and definitive coverage of the night. If I remember I may even watch it, as we prepare to announce the landslide somewhat surprising victory for Milky. I know this can happen America...

In no way was he A) born in Kenya B) up late deleting emails C) trying to grab peoples sensitive areas (he's just naturally friendly).

He may be behind in the polls but they're only polls. I have to go now, as there is an angry group of over 70s facebook vigilantes, angry about some of my earlier posts, and a Crochet University I was running. I would say more, but it might sound weird.

Vote Milky, vote often.. "What could possibly go wrong?"
 
It is really time to echo what @infj1357 and @melissa* have said. It's not my country and it's not my vote either. Americans might not care what the rest of the world thinks and thats fine but I am going to express my view anyway and the Americans on the forum can take it or leave it. Canadians in my circle think Trump is a clown too and the general belief is that he will damage America's relationship with those countries which long standing alliances have been formed. No one likes to be dictated to and that is not the way alliances work. If there is a President Trump he may be in for rude awakening unless he changes his attitude. Canadians are some the best friends Americans have in the world, but our friendship and support is not unconditional. We are a small country so you might not need our support in the things you want to do in the world, and maybe we can be safely ignored, but when all the small countries feel the same way, maybe there might be a problem. I am just stating this is a factor you might want to consider in the choice you about to make.

I care what you and other countries have to say. Don't ever think that your voices are not valued.
 
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