Corona / Wuhan virus

philostam said:
Even so, "officially" they used to have more than 3000 cases per day, and now they have less than 100. By the same sources. So work is definitely being done.

I happen to think numbers comming out of China are as correct as anywhere else.
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Yeah, they're massively inaccurate everywhere else too.

Elsewhere there isn't enough testing kit so numbers are under reported.

In China the government is actively suppressing numbers becuase they want trade to start again. If you think the numbers are real I have a bridge to sell you.

They were happy to report higher numbers before it was declared a Pandemic. Now it is they want the numbers to be lower, so they are. Communist data at its finest, the Party is never wrong!

Like the Doctor who reported the Coronoavirus he was helped and supported by the Chinese government... oh, wait, no he wasn't.

At least when they saw the problem they helped him... oh wait, no, he died from it.

The Communist Chinese Government is not reliable, and neither is the WHO.

It only became a Pandemic after cases in Italy began to draw level with China, then magically its a Pandemic and China's numbers drop to 4?! No. Not in any way is that the honest truth.

I'd stake the lives of the Chinese people on it.
 
just me said:
https://yubanet.com/scitech/scienti...ng-for-the-source-of-covid-19-why-it-matters/

Information that gave the first clues was released in mid-January 2020 when the full viral genomic sequence of the new coronavirus from a patient sample was published. It showed a new coronavirus – SARS-CoV2 – belonging to the same group as the severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus (SARS-CoV) which caused the 2003 SARS outbreak.

But the new virus differed significantly, raising questions about its origin. The strongest speculation has been that the virus is somehow linked to the market given two thirds of the first batch of people infected had had ties with it. But even this hasn’t been proved yet. And subsequent investigations indicate that the first patient – who started experiencing symptoms as early as 1 December 2019 – had no reported link to the market, or the other patients.

Several questions remain. Most importantly, there’s no clear data on what the source was. But tracking down the origin of the illness is important because it’s essential to know who or what infected “patient zero”. Understanding the specific circumstances, including human behaviour and activities, that led to this pandemic may provide clues about risk factors for future outbreaks.
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I'm even wondering if patient zero is actually on China
 
ReasonEnduring said:
Yeah, they're massively inaccurate everywhere else too.

Elsewhere there isn't enough testing kit so numbers are under reported.

In China the government is actively suppressing numbers becuase they want trade to start again. If you think the numbers are real I have a bridge to sell you.

They were happy to report higher numbers before it was declared a Pandemic. Now it is they want the numbers to be lower, so they are. Communist data at its finest, the Party is never wrong!

Like the Doctor who reported the Coronoavirus he was helped and supported by the Chinese government... oh, wait, no he wasn't.

At least when they saw the problem they helped him... oh wait, no, he died from it.

The Communist Chinese Government is not reliable, and neither is the WHO.

It only became a Pandemic after cases in Italy began to draw level with China, then magically its a Pandemic and China's numbers drop to 4?! No. Not in any way is that the honest truth.

I'd stake the lives of the Chinese people on it.
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Look, you have a different perception of China than me.

It's like you think China is some sort of Soviet Union under Stalin, while I don't.

On top of that, you make very confident statements about things you cannot be confident about. There's no way you can know what CCP is actually doing or what are their motives.
 
philostam said:
Your choice. I just think China will deal with the outbreak much better then your precious US and UK.

It was actually 25 according to Wordometer.
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So tell me, you think UK and US governments "care more for their people" than Chinese?

Let me remind you that a single Chinese billionaire donated more testing kits to US than the CDC and the entire federal managed to scrape together.
 
philostam said:
Look, you have a different perception of China than me.

It's like you think China is some sort of Soviet Union under Stalin, while I don't.

On top of that, you make very confident statements about things you cannot be confident about. There's no way you can know what CCP is actually doing or what are their motives.
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I know they are exterminating the Uihgurs in their retraining camps for a start...
 
philostam said:
So tell me, you think UK and US governments "care more for their people" than Chinese?

Let me remind you that a single Chinese billionaire donated more testing kits to US than the CDC and the entire federal managed to scrape together.
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Hell no! You think I trust the UK or US governments?

I don't trust ANY government, let alone the Chinese. Politics is politics, but even more so in a dictatorship.
 
philostam said:
So tell me, you think UK and US governments "care more for their people" than Chinese?

Let me remind you that a single Chinese billionaire donated more testing kits to US than the CDC and the entire federal managed to scrape together.
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I don't hate the Chinese. Infact I love China, would love to visit.

I just don't trust dictatorships, and its why I won't be flying to Russia or Egypt any time soon either.

A Chinese billionaire is not the CCP.
 
ReasonEnduring said:
Hell no! You think I trust the UK or US governments?

I don't trust ANY government, let alone the Chinese. Politics is politics, but even more so in a dictatorship.
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I would trust the CCP more to deal with the outbreak. After all, they have a reputation to protect amongst the Chinese at least.

While UK and US government are mocked all around the globe and within the countries anyway. No one would expect anything else than for them to fuck up again.
 
philostam said:
Hardly exterminating. But yes, those camps are facts and we can speak about them and condemn them.
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Can you? I thought the CCP was in the habit of silencing people who spoke too loudly about the camps.

If you honeslty can I am impressed, that;s progress. WHen parties other than the CCP can run for central government I will seriously consider a visit to China. Its history is fascinating.

philostam said:
I would trust the CCP more to deal with the outbreak. After all, they have a reputation to protect amongst the Chinese at least.

While UK and US government are mocked all around the globe and within the countries anyway. No one would expect anything else than for them to fuck up again.
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No Disagreement here. I lived through Brexit I know what a clusterfuck it was. Their current policy in the UK is absurd as well. But forgive me if I don't trust the CCP either.
 
another weekend, another lying weasel display from the white house. Frankly, I would prefer that they all go play golf. Let the states manage this, since that is the reality on the ground. One thing this has exposed, we have no national health strategy. . there is no "public health", we just make it up as we go along. We are getting more practical information and guidance from clergy then we do from "public officials" . . this exposes our nation as a third world country in terms of the health of us all.
 
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