Corona / Wuhan virus

Aneirin said:
Just watched Kelly Ann Conway, an advisor to the president. . .she was upset that the WHO did not learn from all the other Corona Viruses, this is 19 after all ,not number 1. . these people are being paid to manage the government, and the pandemic. .so...do I trust or believe anything that comes from the administration? hell to the no, it is a moron convention in the white house, and we are fools to follow anything they say or suggest. .
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The 19 comes from the year it came into being as a problem, not the number of corona viruses we have had.

COVID-19 is an acronym that stands for coronavirus disease of 2019

As for the 1918 Spanish Flu

Historians now believe that the fatal severity of the Spanish flu’s “second wave” was caused by a mutated virus spread by wartime troop movements. Of course a war ending probably helped it spread, and we didn't have the technology back then to know for sure!
 
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Skarekrow said:
Just dropping this off...
Goodnight!

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This one really gets me, as it is happening in Australia as well. It's as though people matter little, and businesses, particularly corporations matter most.

People lose their jobs and the support is going to companies that are sacking them?? It makes no sense.

It seems like they are saying "it's too hard to support the individual, so we will support the companies to support the individual", which really in a company is like give me the money and I'll still do what I need to... sack staff.

Seems like the rich get richer ..
 
JustPhil said:
This one really gets me, as it is happening in Australia as well. It's as though people matter little, and businesses, particularly corporations matter most.

People lose their jobs and the support is going to companies that are sacking them?? It makes no sense.

It seems like they are saying "it's too hard to support the individual, so we will support the companies to support the individual", which really in a company is like give me the money and I'll still do what I need to... sack staff.

Seems like the rich get richer ..
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The great depression was really terrible and if companies fail again on a massive scale no one can even possibly conceive how terrible conditions will become

Business and the economy *is* important. It's what feeds you and puts clothes on your back
 
4591 deaths yesterday, with the number rising every day. . .now is not the time to ease social distancing. . I dont give a fuck about the economy right now. . people are dying, in growing numbers. .the administration only cares about the wealthy and losing the next election, frankly, he has already lost, he just doesn't know it yet. .
 
Aneirin said:
4591 deaths yesterday, with the number rising every day. . .now is not the time to ease social distancing. . I dont give a fuck about the economy right now. . people are dying, in growing numbers. .the administration only cares about the wealthy and losing the next election, frankly, he has already lost, he just doesn't know it yet. .
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Not only has he lost, but we are already in another great depression - we just haven't all realized it yet.
The companies can suck my teets.
Let them fail.
 
slant said:
The great depression was really terrible and if companies fail again on a massive scale no one can even possibly conceive how terrible conditions will become

Business and the economy *is* important. It's what feeds you and puts clothes on your back
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Wow, are we so dependent on said companies?
Maybe it's time that changed something fierce.
 
JustPhil said:
This one really gets me, as it is happening in Australia as well. It's as though people matter little, and businesses, particularly corporations matter most.

People lose their jobs and the support is going to companies that are sacking them?? It makes no sense.

It seems like they are saying "it's too hard to support the individual, so we will support the companies to support the individual", which really in a company is like give me the money and I'll still do what I need to... sack staff.

Seems like the rich get richer ..
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You hit the nail on the head.
 
LoL, these people take forever to see the obvious.

 
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Skarekrow said:
They missed the part where they were expected to return to work and wear garbage bags and bandanas 48 hours after they no longer had a fever.
Assholes.
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Or not even trash bags... Just a few minutes ago, I got a text from my ex. A patient at her hospital with symptoms of covid died. The doctor refused to test him and made my ex and another nurse go in and clean the patient up with only a regular surgical mask. A different doctor demanded the deceased patient be tested. He was positive. The nurse my ex was with in the room tested positive. My ex is waiting on her results. Guess we'll see what happens.

At her hospital, they are now required to bring their own disinfectant wipes, rip them in two and use one side to wipe down their gown and the other side to wipe off their mask and goggles if they have any.
 
Milktoast Bandit said:
Or not even trash bags... Just a few minutes ago, I got a text from my ex. A patient at her hospital with symptoms of covid died. The doctor refused to test him and made my ex and another nurse go in and clean the patient up with only a regular surgical mask. A different doctor demanded the deceased patient be tested. He was positive. The nurse my ex was with in the room tested positive. My ex is waiting on her results. Guess we'll see what happens.

At her hospital, they are now required to bring their own disinfectant wipes, rip them in two and use one side to wipe down their gown and the other side to wipe off their mask and goggles if they have any.
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holy fuck. . .as a retired nurse this sickens me. .
 
Just passing to through a note here that Im surprised at @slant position (and slightly disappointed perhaps?), but, well, Im not exactly and old and super active member anyway.

I can post a little bit more about it later, but I agree with @Skarekrow and @Aneirin here.

The thing is that people needs to open their minds and get out off capitalism mindset for a while and try to think it into an abstract and general terms of evaluating system. I like to think on that using a simple tribe analogy: How would this look into a centralized and uncentralized small tribe? Well, the former, in short terms, tell us that our foods generally lasts some months already (lots of them), and some special food can endure years. The most essential areas, such as energy, water, etc... Are likely kept at hands of few people due to automation. So, in a small tribe with technology like us, stopping should not be a issue, if stuff are properly organized: The essential people working, preferably with some temporary workers on that area, people with some stocks of supplies at home, and etc...

This is just a stop, afterall. If the system cant stop, than that is a incompetency of the system and, specially, of the market. It is really just a matter of just a stop while keeping the essential and waiting for research. "But there are bankrupts, unemployment, and etc..." these are all system flaws (or in uncentralized tribe line, directly people's fault, partially due to greedy and unsharing mindset). It gets complicated due to complications created by the system and, specially, by the market. And, of course, very few has been question that. I am going to go back to this thread later if I can find the post pointing out this point into more depth as a guy in another forum did and I supported it.

The stop means that the income of a person and a company stops, but also the expenses should have a massive decrease, and, of course, a way to make the essential services flow to people who are temporarily not working. If people saved money AND if the inequality was low, almost everyone would have the money in the bank to keep the services flowing, but, of course, that didnt happened.
 
Vendrah said:
Just passing to through a note here that Im surprised at @slant position (and slightly disappointed perhaps?), but, well, Im not exactly and old and super active member anyway.

I can post a little bit more about it later, but I agree with @Skarekrow and @Aneirin here.

The thing is that people needs to open their minds and get out off capitalism mindset for a while and try to think it into an abstract and general terms of evaluating system. I like to think on that using a simple tribe analogy: How would this look into a centralized and uncentralized small tribe? Well, the former, in short terms, tell us that our foods generally lasts some months already (lots of them), and some special food can endure years. The most essential areas, such as energy, water, etc... Are likely kept at hands of few people due to automation. So, in a small tribe with technology like us, stopping should not be a issue, if stuff are properly organized: The essential people working, preferably with some temporary workers on that area, people with some stocks of supplies at home, and etc...

This is just a stop, afterall. If the system cant stop, than that is a incompetency of the system and, specially, of the market. It is really just a matter of just a stop while keeping the essential and waiting for research. "But there are bankrupts, unemployment, and etc..." these are all system flaws (or in uncentralized tribe line, directly people's fault, partially due to greedy and unsharing mindset). It gets complicated due to complications created by the system and, specially, by the market. And, of course, very few has been question that. I am going to go back to this thread later if I can find the post pointing out this point into more depth as a guy in another forum did and I supported it.

The stop means that the income of a person and a company stops, but also the expenses should have a massive decrease, and, of course, a way to make the essential services flow to people who are temporarily not working. If people saved money AND if the inequality was low, almost everyone would have the money in the bank to keep the services flowing, but, of course, that didnt happened.
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The whole "if a system can't stop it's not a good system" isn't a very logical argument. The system can stop, but not for very long. Which makes sense. Like breathing. You can hold your breath but in order to sustain life at some point (and you had a limited window) you must resume. Or even eating or drinking water. you can survive for a while, but it's a limited window. Or even with sunlight.

The entire ecosystem and what perpetuates life requires consistent systems that continue to run, if there are disruptions like drought or blight it doesn't continue to function properly.

I'm a fan of socialist capitalism; a hybrid. Like what swedens doing. Everyone talks up Scandinavian countries but when it's a time of crisis and Sweden decides to do what makes the most sense for the community ( prioritize the welfare of all vs the welfare of the few) everyone freaks out. Truth is, coronavirus actually won't kill the majority of people. Statistically a larger percentage survives, and statistically, closing the economy effects way more people than those who will die of coronavirus and that's true socialism and it seems people don't like it.
 
slant said:
I'm a fan of socialist capitalism; a hybrid.
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I would like that too, however...
We are incredibly far from that type of system here in the US.
We are an out of control, unregulated, capitalist dystopia.
 

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Also...the daily death toll was just 2400 two days ago, and now it's doubled ++
We are not in a position to reopen shit.
Just my opinion.
 
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