Dealing with Achmedinajad

[Stu]

........ The US empire is collapsing. It has overstretched itself, allowed itself to be sucked into unwinnable wars and has created a giant economic ponzi scheme through fractional reserve banking and various financial instruments designed to cloak illegal activity.

There are going to be riots in the US and quite possibly a revolution

I think it is important to bear in mind that the US is not monolithic. By that I do not mean that the people are not the government (which is kinda true, though the axiom that people get the government they deserve does apply). What I mean is that there are many power centers in the US both inside the Federal Government and outside in the corporations and non business non political organizations of citizens.

The Chomsky analyses of Saudi Arabia having been the prize of world war two is succinct and accurately describes the post world war world events right up to the indigenous people of the oil producing lands attempting to control the source of energy that fuels the world's economy.

I question the notion that it is the US that wreaks havoc but not the notion that havoc is being wreaked. As you have often pointed out it is economic elites that routinely pit one class or group of people against another.

I see this unfolding in a more beautiful way, with the rise of renewable energy sources which are being developed outside the dominant corporate caste. I see this diffusion of very smart, very capable individuals working to solve problems for the joy of solving them as already apparent in the open source web environment.

Call me unduly optimistic but I am after all An American

 

[muir]

I think it is important to bear in mind that the US is not monolithic. By that I do not mean that the people are not the government (which is kinda true, though the axiom that people get the government they deserve does apply). What I mean is that there are many power centers in the US both inside the Federal Government and outside in the corporations and non business non political organizations of citizens.

The Chomsky analyses of Saudi Arabia having been the prize of world war two is succinct and accurately describes the post world war world events right up to the indigenous people of the oil producing lands attempting to control the source of energy that fuels the world's economy.

I question the notion that it is the US that wreaks havoc but not the notion that havoc is being wreaked. As you have often pointed out it is economic elites that routinely pit one class or group of people against another.

I see this unfolding in a more beautiful way, with the rise of renewable energy sources which are being developed outside the dominant corporate caste. I see this diffusion of very smart, very capable individuals working to solve problems for the joy of solving them as already apparent in the open source web environment.

Call me unduly optimistic but I am after all An American

I'm an optomist as well and see this 'crisis' as an opportunity to build something better, but i keep cautioning against what Chris Hedges in one of the clips above (posted by ACD in another thread) warns about which is proto-fascist groups stepping into the power vacuum as the system breaks down.

I have also cautioned against groups calling themselves 'socialist' (eg fabian socialists) who are not true socialists and are not looking to hand the means of production to the workers and allow them to make decisions for themselves but rather want to set up a centralised economy which they will run. the federal reserve is already operating in a centralised way.

Yes i'm pounding the US because the first step to solving a problem is recognising that there is a problem and some people i'm debating with haven't realised that there is a problem yet.

I am aware of different centres of power within the US whether official or unofficial and Assange describes it as a movement of people with a shared interest. Truman Capote said the US is run by an elite of roughly 10,000 strong.

You don't even need a direct spoken conspiracy, you just need groups who have a shared vision or understanding for example everyone uniting behind a belief in capitalism. Then underneath that umbrella you might have groups that believe in a mixed economy and others that believe in a 'free market' economy etc

At the moment there is a situation where Wallstreet has taken over the levers of power in the US. THEY ARE THE KEY POWER CENTRE AT THE MOMENT

Yes something good could come of this but i'm not gonna delude anyone it's gonna be a rocky road becuase the power elites will seek to turn this situation to their advantage and to push back against that will take effort and struggle from the people

 

[muir]

The US became a country by throwing of the tyranny of my country, the UK. The UK was oppressive and drove the colonialists to rise up by making life hard to the point it was difficult to bare.

Those conditions are being created again and the people of the US have a new dictatorial government to throw off....this time it is their own. I believe they can do it.

 

[just me]

[MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION], You should know if I am a Zionist I would be standing on a Rock, not hiding under one.

 

[Feelings]

Many people do see the dangers of a nuclear-armed Iran, I'm pretty sure they have taken that into consideration.

But many people fail to see that the same dangers also apply to every country that possesses nuclear weapons.

It is a matter of HOW countries use nuclear weapons. Some use it as a way to defend themselves and some use it as a way to attack others. The middle ground is using it as a deterrent for violence in the first place. This is how North Korea operates, we fear attacking them because they have nuclear weapons, they use it as a deterrent. If they didn't have nukes, we'd be all over North Korea for refusing to respect civil liberties. This is not something that Iran has a problem with, they respect the civil liberties of its own people, and I'm sure they do for people of other countries as well.

It really depends on whose perspective you are looking through. If I was head of any country, I would want nukes, period. I would want no one else to have nukes. Every country thinks the same way. I think that's what it comes down to.

 

[Feelings]

What about diplomacy?

Why cant we fund some hospitals, schools, community centres and churchs/mosques in Iran? What about some mutual trade, some exchange programs, scholarships and internships? The Iranian people seem pretty tech savvy and are more or less well educated. They are also desperate for change and reform. They want peace and freedom for themselves. Surprisingly, people have less reason to hate you and be a danger to you if you help them and don't threaten them. If you can touch the hearts and minds of the common people of a country, and be useful to them, in essence you will radically change the culture and governance of that country. It seems pretty reasonable to give Iran foreign aid to this end as the US currently provides Israel with foreign aid so that it can 'defend' itself. And as someone else previously mentioned, who is defending the Palestinians from the countless human rights abuses they have suffered and are continuing to suffer.

I am not convinced Ahmadinejad is any more of a madman than any of the current/past leaders of the western world.

There are more options than war/kill or be killed. This same problem is repeated all over the world in a myriad of ways.

At home, we have a huge 'issue' with refugees. These desperate people from war torn countries (many from Afghanistan and Iraq) travel thousands of miles in rickety, dangerous boats, dealing with the scum of the earth (their saviours) so that they can land on our fair shores and be put into detention camps and despised by my country. Everyone whinges because these refugees cost millions of dollars to process and house, and that they are stealing our jobs and that they cant be trusted. What no one really wants to do is address the real problem of why they keep coming.
If we were to seriously invest in infastracture, schools, hospitals etc, maybe we could help educate these people and they would find a better future in their own country. Our government has started investing in this cause -$36 million over 4 years in Afghanistan, which is a good start but a cop out considering how much we have spent destroying their country and then spend again picking up the pieces with processing refugees.

And lastly, at the risk of being more offensive, there are only two countries in the world that Im personally scared of - USA and Israel. Theres nothing scarier than an upredictable, unreasonable, greedy bully.

If I was running a country, I'd want an advisor like you. Feel-good solutions and befriending may very well be effective. I wouldn't completely rely on them, but they are worth a shot.

 

[Feelings]

Nobody over there is scared of our nuclear arsenal, as we do not flaunt it nor do we mention it.

Because everybody already knows.

We have proved our ability to restrain the use of our nuclear weapons and have worked many long years trying to slowly rid the world of them bit by bit. Our wars are not fought with the thought of nuclear weapons. We have looked into R&D of tactical nukes, but that is just moot when we do not exercise them.

You haven't had to. If someone poses enough of a threat to any country with nukes, and that threat can only be met with nukes, then it's happening.

When we go in, we go in carefully and strategically. We help rebuild when we are finished.

......... Iraq......

Yet, all of Iran's allies will try to vigorously kill every Jew they can if war breaks out. Israel is after a program, and everyone else is after the Jews.

Genocide tends to trigger a lot of rage in me. I think that's because I'm a numbers person. When I think genocide, I think massive numbers of murders. When I see individual murders or other injustices, I don't get as riled up, because my brain interprets that as "1".

 

[just me]

quoted from Wikipedia

The United States has also purchased many thousands of weapons' worth of uranium formerly in Soviet nuclear weapons for conversion into reactor fuel.[SUP][91][/SUP] (As a consequence of this latter effort, it has been estimated that the equivalent of one lightbulb in every ten in the United States is powered by nuclear fuel removed from warheads previously targeted at the United States and its allies during the Cold War.[SUP][92][/SUP])

 

[just me]

I think it would be quite interesting if Germany destroyed a few of Iran's nuclear sites. Iran is so bent on luring America or Israel to deal with their programs so they can make war with them using their allies to try and destroy the Jews. The NPT may have to stand up to Iran if it wants to keep disarmament and non-proliferation the goal of the world. Of the few countries that have not become nuclear or non-nuclear members, only about three countries worry the world and for good reasons. Iran is not trying to reason for the Palestinians; they are rather enlisting whomever they can to fight Israel. Maybe someone else in the arena should make the first move if Iran will not back down. It would definitely destroy Iran's plans.

Germany and Italy: how poetic.

 

[muir]

@muir , You should know if I am a Zionist I would be standing on a Rock, not hiding under one.

Lol very good!

Please explain to me your position on this then

 

[muir]

quoted from Wikipedia

The United States has also purchased many thousands of weapons' worth of uranium formerly in Soviet nuclear weapons for conversion into reactor fuel.[SUP][91][/SUP] (As a consequence of this latter effort, it has been estimated that the equivalent of one lightbulb in every ten in the United States is powered by nuclear fuel removed from warheads previously targeted at the United States and its allies during the Cold War.[SUP][92][/SUP])

This is not a move towards making the world safer it is simply a move towards depleting the arsenal of a potential enemy!

The whole point about the nuclear deterant is that both sides need to know that it is not worth them attacking the other. The US trying to create a nuclear missile shield is upsetting that balance as other countries feel less safe and will feel the need to increase their weaponry

Israel having nuclear weapons but Iran having none means Iran lives in a state of constant fear of destruction

 

[just me]

If Iran lives in a state of constant fear of destruction because of Israel I would be surprised, shocked, and in disbelief.

Israel is not after the people that live there. They will go after those individuals or groups that need going after if they are pushed too hard.

My viewpoint is Iran's leaders think the 12th Imam will show up if all the Jews are killed. I do not think their populace feels that way. Their desire for nuclear weapons is a threat to the Jewish people of the world. I do not think Israel's having nuclear weapons, if they have, since the late 1950s has been a threat to anyone. Why is it so different now? 1958 to 2012 is how many years;
over fifty years? Iran's leaders have a plan and if it were me I would change the rules and make them focus elsewhere, disabling their only true intent. Hormuz is just buying time and trying to get the rest of the world to focus there instead of the mountains south of Fordo and the likes. It is a decoy.

Iran is doing everything they can to bring about a war against Israel using all their(Tehran's) allies.

missed your posts, [MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION].....

 

[muir]

If Iran lives in a state of constant fear of destruction because of Israel I would be surprised, shocked, and in disbelief.

Iran has never invaded another country. Israel has many times and the US has many times.

Iran has no nuclear weapons but Isreal has 200 and the US has something like over 10,000.

Now take a moment to objectively digest the facts above and then ask yourself....objectively....whether Iran has reason to be fearful or not

Don't forget to take into account the build up of US troops around Iran, the sailing of US warships into the Persian gulf, the drone flights into Iran's airspace and the threatening language in the western media about Iran being 'evil' and needing to be 'bombed'

Also Irans nuclear facilities are located all around the country and would need hundreds if not thousands of strikes involving frightening levels of firepower which will inevitably lead to civilian deaths as well as the deaths of scientists, technicians, military staff etc and ask yourself.....objectively....if you think iran has cause to be worried

Israel is not after the people that live there. They will go after those individuals or groups that need going after if they are pushed too hard..

Israel is not being pushed too hard...its not Isreal facing sanctions at the moment it is Iran and the Palestineans.

Israels actions DO affect the people living in the places they attack. They killed 1200 civilians when they invaded Lebanon in 2006, 170 were killed in Operation Grapes of Wrath, thousands of homes destroyed and many wounded, 118 civilians killed in operation Accountability with thousands more homes destroyed and 300, 000 people displaced, 18,000 civilians killed in 1982 invasion of Lebanon etc Then there is their treatment of the Palestineans which has seen countless deaths, ijuries and millions of refugees driven from their homes and into camps.

Israel absolutely IS after the people who live there, the facts speak for themselves. The bible even says that when the tribes of Abraham came to the land of Canaan they slew everyone they came across, man woman and child. Seeing as this is the main historical claim to the land from the peoples calling themselves 'the jews' its not the most compassionate grounds for a claim is it?

But apparently a storm god called Yahweh, which moses found in the desert of Sinai, and then put in a box, told them to do it, so that makes it ok.

Israeli civilians have been protesting against the rises in the cost of living. This is a process affecting people around the world due to the process of neoliberalism which has seen all the wealth flow upwards so that the top 1% now own most of the wealth leaving everyone else struggling. This shows that the elites in Israel are as much a part of that process as elites elsewhere and that the regular people of Israel are as much victims of that process as elsewhere.

This is a great opportunity for the people of Israel to recognise their shared problem with people around the world and to unite in opposition of the elites who are imposing the current system on us. As part of that process they could also campaign for peace with Iran and a palestinean homeland. The more peaceful and integrated these countries are the less likely they are to attack each other.

My viewpoint is Iran's leaders think the 12th Imam will show up if all the Jews are killed. I do not think their populace feels that way. Their desire for nuclear weapons is a threat to the Jewish people of the world. I do not think Israel's having nuclear weapons, if they have, since the late 1950s has been a threat to anyone. Why is it so different now? 1958 to 2012 is how many years; over fifty years? Iran's leaders have a plan and if it were me I would change the rules and make them focus elsewhere, disabling their only true intent. Hormuz is just buying time and trying to get the rest of the world to focus there instead of the mountains south of Fordo and the likes. It is a decoy..

No if Iran wanted to destroy jews it would start with the large jewish population living in Iran. They have been clear that they want to see the destruction of the zionist regime not the jewish people and they are gaining vast support for this around the world as people grow increasingly sick of the actions of the zionist regime both in Israel and the US

You're wrong about Israels nuclear arsenal not being a threat it has made millions of people live under the shadow of nuclear destruction and has allowed Israel to bully her neigbours with impunity just as it has allowed the US to invade countries who don't have nuclear weapons and steal they resources and torture their people.

Have you ever heard of a thing called a 'war of words'? Its basically the opening salvo in a negotiation

Its why Obama says that the US has an 'ironclad' commitment to Israel, why he says he will do anything to stop Iran getting a nuclear bomb, why Iran says it wants to destroy the zionist regime, why McCain says the US should 'bomb bomb bomb Iran, why the jewish press in the US is threatening Obama with assassination (whether physical or political).............because these words are all designed to create an effect in the mind of the opponent

The US and Israel has repeatedly threatened Iran and Iran has responded with defiant language to show that it cannot be bullied. This is a war of words. What matters are the realities. The reality is that Iran wants a nuclear bomb to defend itself from the US/Israel war machine that keeps steamrolling countries and people around the world. It is not looking to destroy the jewish people as that is not their aim (they live side by side with jews) besides to launch a nuclear attack on Israel would be SUICIDE

Remember that the US overthrew a democratically elected leader in Iran and put an authoritarian puppet in his place that was subserviant to the US which lead to a further revolution in Iran to overhtrow the US puppet. The US also supported Iraq in a war against Iran so the Iranians have a lot of reasons to distrust the US and a lot of reasons to wan to be able to defend themselves from US aggression: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état

Iran is doing everything they can to bring about a war against Israel using all their(Tehran's) allies.

missed your posts, @muir .....

Iran is preparing to defend itself from an attack

 

[just me]

I repeat the Israelis may possibly have had nuclear weapons since 1958. They have been attacked repeatedly, so I see no fear of nuclear retaliation being shown by anyone. I wont list how many times they have been attacked, not to mention the constant missile barrage. They have never whipped out a nuclear warhead.

The recent words quoted from a Hadith in a mosque was to kill all Jews, descendants of pigs and goats. That is a mindset of many people. It is a religious mindset, like it or not.

The Strait of Hormuz is international waters and the attempt to stop the passage of oil through it will not be tolerated. If force must be used, someone will use it. The sanctions are for obvious reasons you are in denial about.


America's involvement in Egypt, Libya, and the likes was a mistake; as was the involvement of other countries. I am not one-sided: call it like it is. Bad thing is it was a mistake and terrible injustice to the people living in those countries as well as their rulers. What am I getting at?


It takes someone with brass to rule a country filled with so many people with so many enemies. They make mistakes, but they have to rule them and keep things as best as they can for their people. Everyone will never agree. Iran is bringing this on themselves from their rulers trying to build nuclear warheads and delivery systems. The shields trying to be put in place are for a good cause. Their hatred and constant attempts to kill Jews the world over recently(Habad), though they have mostly been foiled, is a mindset by the rulers that is taking their own people down a very dangerous path. The people of Iran should fear their own leaders for their choices they are making and the way their are trying to force themselves on the world with their desires. It is all about desires and excuses.

BTW, Russia had thousands more nukes than the US did.

I have not voted in the poll.

 

[muir]

Nukes aren't about actually nuking people, nukes are about threat

The US dropped the nuclear bombs on Japan and that changed the entire game for everyone; the threat was made to the world LOUD AND CLEAR

If one country arms themselves then another must meet that threat, so the USSR rushed to develop their own bomb etc

That should be the lesson from the cold war but we clearly haven't learned that lesson yet have we?

The US and Israel have nuclear bombs therefore anyone who they are antagonistic towards will feel that they need to arm themself with a bomb as well......its not complicated

If you were Iranian and had been watching the US/Israel alliance brutalising the middle east for the last half century you'd be feeling pretty unsafe right now....you'd want to be able to protect yourself as well

People don't need to use a nuke, they just need to have it and that means their enemies live in fear and are limited in what they can do.

Israel and the US are pretty unlimited in what they can do because not many countries have nukes, which means they can deter other countries from attacking them whilst themselves invading and attacking other countries with impunity, which they keep doing.

These 'attacks' on Israel are usually in response to an injustice carried out by the Israeli military and are pretty small and ineffective. Israel launches full scale military operations into the territory of its enemies killing thousands of civilians, injuring even more and destroying thousands of homes. You need to get this into perspective.

What the Iranians want to feel is that the US and Israel can't just invade them and steal their oil whenever they want (the Iranians know that we are now in 'peak oil' andf that countries like saudi arabia physically cannot increase their output of oil to feed the wests addiction to oil....this means that sitting on a vast well of oil as they are they are feeling pretty exposed and unsafe at the moment. they know that the US has killed over a million Iraqis in order to secure the oil under Iraq and therefore they know the US will show no mercy in achieving their aims)

It immaterial who had more nukes the US or Russia as they both had more than enough to destroy the face of the planet. Whats more important is how accurate their ICBM's actually were, but that's another story.

The reality is that living in fear is being a slave. Fear is a curse that the US and Israel have been visiting on many people for a long time now and are continuing to visit on people and they are justly hated for it. They would make slaves of everyone.

 

[just me]

Nukes aren't about actually nuking people, nukes are about threat

The US dropped the nuclear bombs on Japan and that changed the entire game for everyone; the threat was made to the world LOUD AND CLEAR

If one country arms themselves then another must meet that threat, so the USSR rushed to develop their own bomb etc

That should be the lesson from the cold war but we clearly haven't learned that lesson yet have we?

The US and Israel have nuclear bombs therefore anyone who they are antagonistic towards will feel that they need to arm themself with a bomb as well......its not complicated

If you were Iranian and had been watching the US/Israel alliance brutalising the middle east for the last half century you'd be feeling pretty unsafe right now....you'd want to be able to protect yourself as well

People don't need to use a nuke, they just need to have it and that means their enemies live in fear and are limited in what they can do.

Israel and the US are pretty unlimited in what they can do because not many countries have nukes, which means they can deter other countries from attacking them whilst themselves invading and attacking other countries with impunity, which they keep doing.

These 'attacks' on Israel are usually in response to an injustice carried out by the Israeli military and are pretty small and ineffective. Israel launches full scale military operations into the territory of its enemies killing thousands of civilians, injuring even more and destroying thousands of homes. You need to get this into perspective.

What the Iranians want to feel is that the US and Israel can't just invade them and steal their oil whenever they want (the Iranians know that we are now in 'peak oil' andf that countries like saudi arabia physically cannot increase their output of oil to feed the wests addiction to oil....this means that sitting on a vast well of oil as they are they are feeling pretty exposed and unsafe at the moment. they know that the US has killed over a million Iraqis in order to secure the oil under Iraq and therefore they know the US will show no mercy in achieving their aims)

It immaterial who had more nukes the US or Russia as they both had more than enough to destroy the face of the planet. Whats more important is how accurate their ICBM's actually were, but that's another story.

The reality is that living in fear is being a slave. Fear is a curse that the US and Israel have been visiting on many people for a long time now and are continuing to visit on people and they are justly hated for it. They would make slaves of everyone.

The fact you stated they would make slaves of everyone shows your propaganda is unrealistic, as is your way of thinking. Your facts are not straight and pure and your intent is obvious, as is Iran's. Bad thing about it, it almost looks like Obama is doing everything he can to help them attain their goals.

 

[muir]

The fact you stated they would make slaves of everyone shows your propaganda is unrealistic, as is your way of thinking. Your facts are not straight and pure and your intent is obvious, as is Iran's. Bad thing about it, it almost looks like Obama is doing everything he can to help them attain their goals.

Waging war on Iran will not make Israel or the US safe

Concerning my facts, why don't you do your research and check them

As for Obama i'm neither going to condemn nor support him because in reality he is merely the front man, he'll come and go as politicians do. He's not the real power, he's just the guy that the power elite has hand picked to appeal most to the public at that time

If you think Iran wants a nuke so that it can drop it on Israel and then get obliterated by Israel in return then you believe that the Iranians are suicidal

The US and Israel blocking Iran from having a nuke is about them maintaining the ability to bully and invade countries in the region at will to secure the oil

Perhaps its time the US tackled its addiction to oil and started making use of the abundant solar power in the US and Israel which wouldn't require them to invade any country, bomb anyone, torture anyone or lie to their own public to justify using taxpayers money for mass murder (its not just the US its my country the UK as well, but the US is the main consumer of oil and the main player)

 

[Quiet]

Perhaps its time the US tackled its addiction to oil and started making use of the abundant solar power in the US and Israel which wouldn't require them to invade any country, bomb anyone, torture anyone or lie to their own public to justify using taxpayers money for massed murder

Yes! Please can we do this!

Investing into renewable resources and alternative transport (green cars) would not only make the make the need to rape the earth and other nations for oil obsolete, it would simultaneously improve the economy and culture of oil consuming and oil producing countries.

Thomas Friedman mentions an interesting paradox in his book The World is Flat. He states that countries that have a greater wealth of natural resources (particularly non-renewables) tend to be less developed and have less economic growth than countries that are poor in natural resources.
There are many reasons for this paradox, as outlined in this article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse

When oil consuming nations stop buying oil from corrupt and authoritarian governments everything will change. Theres every chance that these nations will be forced to be innovative and develop new, more sustainable economies, and the citizens of these nations will demand more accountability from their governments.

There is always a thousand ways and solutions. War is so unecessary. It is the least creative, least intelligent, least honourable, most harmful, most dangerous, most expensive way. Its the way of the bully and the coward. I love the children of Israel, USA and Iran equally and I would not want to see any of them suffer. Is it really necessary to kill your neighbours children so that your own children might feel safe?

 

[just me]

I cannot tell a person why some things happen even with people. We make decisions based on what they are and what we expect of them, so it seems out there. Local inmate was let out last week and caught today for murdering two people over the weekend. They call them correctional institutes. Ever look into the percentages of those that are corrected and those that become institutuionalized? They sure have it made where they are, compared to a lot of folk out there. I guess the ones that look like the little mouse, sickly and a danger to the people in the world, get killed by some form of capital punishment. We want to believe in them and give them another chance, but then they rape, kill, and rob their way right back in.

Is it right to go around your country killing thousands of people that are trying to overthrow your government? Is it alright for a world body to ask a leader to step down for doing so? Is it alright for the leader to threaten a war if the world asks him to step down, having Russia standing alongside preparing for it? Iran has backed Syria and Hezbollah from almost as long as I can remember: the eighties? They threaten a regional war, meaning against Israel, if anyone tries to stop the killings he is committing. Iran wants to attack Israel, nukes or not. They will use Syria, Hezbollah, and all the hidden elements they have in place to do so. Syria is also one of Russia's clients with military weapons, as is Iran. China also throws weapons their way when they wish. The C-802(I think) sunk an Israeli boat, which Hezbollah fired from Lebanon, and it came from China.

There is a lot more going on against Israel than Iran. China and Russia refuse to go against Iran because of many reasons, most of which turn into money in their pockets. Our President refuses to give a budget after 1,000 days, then refuses to create jobs and turn to Canada to get more oil. He will hand over America if he is allowed another term, as he is destroying it day by day while playing into the hands of our enemies. Iran need not worry about Israel or America. America does not have anyone with the brass to do what needs to be done. It should have been done years ago. Iran wants to first control the oil, then most of the world. Watch it! Some of you folk may have to change your lifestyle or die if it happens.

 

[muir]

Its interesting that you talk about peoples lifestyles changing. That is definately going to happen.

The US has had the advantage of having its own currency, the dollar, as the worlds reserve currency but now other countries are trading commodities like oil in other currencies or for gold

The US has had this advantage for a long time now and what it has been doing with this advantage is PRINTING more and more money. Other countries such as China and Saudi Arabia have bought up US debt and are propping up the US economy.

The US has kept printing more money and has got itself into a vast and unpayable debt. It has been using this money to wage endless war against many many countries. Sometimes the wars were hot, sometimes cold and sometimes fought by proxy.

The US has developed a sense of ENTITLEMENT

It seems to believe that it is entitled to invade, assassinate, torture, detain, extradite, occupy and attack whoever it wants; it feels it is entitled to steal the resources of others

But the US empire is now coming to an end

The wealth disparity in the US is growing as the ruling class hoard all the wealth. This absolutely will mean a change in lifestyle for many americans.

My advice is that they tackle their corrupt leadership and the criminal bankers they protect so that they can get their hands on the vast wealth the power elites are hoarding and use it to build renewable energies.

These endless wars to steal the resources of other countries are eating at the soul of the US