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kinglear said:
it's more that i can present you with a lot of evidence to prove my point but it would take a certain amount of effort and when i wrote that post to you i didn't much feel like embarking on that process

I could do it but it would take up a lot of space and people would have to be ok with me posting a lot of articles on the forum
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Oh, I see.
I’ll just believe you blindly then.
:neutral:
 
kinglear said:
“If you wanted to control the nation's manufacturing, commerce, finance, transportation and natural resources, you would need only to control the apex, the power pinnacle, of an all-powerful SOCIALIST government. Then you would have a monopoly and could squeeze out all your competitors. If you wanted a national monopoly, you must control a national socialist government. If you want a worldwide monopoly, you must control a world socialist government. That is what the game is all about. "Communism" is not a movement of the downtrodden masses but is a movement created, manipulated and used by power-seeking billionaires in order to gain control over the world ...”
― Gary Allen, None Dare Call It Conspiracy

“socialism is not a share-the-wealth program, as the socialists would like you to believe, but a consolidate-and-control-the-wealth program for the Insiders.”
― Gary Allen, None Dare Call It Conspiracy
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kinglear said:
“The American middle-class is being squeezed to death by a vise. (See Chart 9) In the streets we have avowed revolutionary groups such as the Students for a Democratic Society (which was started by the League for Industrial Democracy, a group with strong C.F.R. ties), the Black Panthers, the Yippies, the Young Socialist Alliance. These groups chant that if we don't "change" America, we will lose it. "Change" is a word we hear over and over. By "change" these groups mean Socialism. Virtually all members of these groups sincerely believe that they are fighting the Establishment. In reality they are an indispensible ally of the Establishment in fastening Socialism on all of us. The naive radicals think that under Socialism the "people" will run everything. Actually, it will be a clique of Insiders in total control, consolidating and controlling all wealth. That is why these schoolboy Lenins and teenage Trotskys are allowed to roam free and are practically never arrested or prosecuted. They are protected. If the Establishment wanted the revolutionaries stopped, how long do you think they would be tolerated? ---- Chart 9 [Insert pic p125]”
― Gary Allen, None Dare Call It Conspiracy
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Right-wing opinion piece.
Blame Socialism and Communism for the failures of an out of control Capitalist society.
Brilliant!!
And those "revolutionaries" are so SCARY!

Capitalism means having a free market, that means free to fail...this is no free market here.
Taxpayers picking up the tab for corporate failures again and again while none of them pay taxes but instead get the taxes of the middle class as “refunds” or “write-offs” or other corporate loopholes.
 
Skarekrow said:
Right-wing opinion piece.
Blame Socialism and Communism for the failures of an out of control Capitalist society.
Brilliant!!
And those "revolutionaries" are so SCARY!

Capitalism means having a free market, that means free to fail...this is no free market here.
Taxpayers picking up the tab for corporate failures again and again while none of them pay taxes but instead get the taxes of the middle class as “refunds” or “write-offs” or other corporate loopholes.
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we don't have capitalism at the moment

if you had free market capitalism the banks would have been allowed to fail and would not have been bailed out by the government

having a central bank is one of the planks of the communist manifesto and you have a central bank that was created by elite bankers who run it as a cartel of their private banks who create money for the federal government

So they are exercising a controlling hand over your economy which is being called a 'command and control' economy by some economists

So yes we can blame those communists who are behind that for the failures of the capitalist society as they are deliberately steering it in the direction they wish it to go in
 
kinglear said:
we don't have capitalism at the moment

if you had free market capitalism the banks would have been allowed to fail and would not have been bailed out by the government

having a central bank is one of the planks of the communist manifesto and you have a central bank that was created by elite bankers who run it as a cartel of their private banks who create money for the federal government

So they are exercising a controlling hand over your economy which is being called a 'command and control' economy by some economists

So yes we can blame those communists who are behind that for the failures of the capitalist society as they are deliberately steering it in the direction they wish it to go in
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You really had me until you said communist for the nine thousandth time.
I'm genuinely worried about your fear of communism.
 
kinglear said:
I may have to create a new thread to deal with that issue. It would then be an ongoing thread as there is new material all the time
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No need to create one...just take this one over where it left off.
https://www.infjs.com/threads/are-we-as-a-society-being-kept-from-discussing-the-big-issues.26531/
Much love to @muir !
Hope you are well Sir!

kinglear said:
we don't have capitalism at the moment

if you had free market capitalism the banks would have been allowed to fail and would not have been bailed out by the government

having a central bank is one of the planks of the communist manifesto and you have a central bank that was created by elite bankers who run it as a cartel of their private banks who create money for the federal government

So they are exercising a controlling hand over your economy which is being called a 'command and control' economy by some economists

So yes we can blame those communists who are behind that for the failures of the capitalist society as they are deliberately steering it in the direction they wish it to go in
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I’m with @Wyote
(didn’t I just say we didn’t?)
((Pretty sure I did))
 
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True story folks... During my senior year of high school, I was voted "most liberal." My quote for the school paper was "I believe America needs to be more communist." Unfortunately, I couldn't find my old copy of the school paper.

Anyway, to be honest, I kind of neeeed the commies right now. That's how my status will be elevated to "USA's Greatest Prophet" *

*USA - Union of Socialist America
 
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Milktoast Bandit said:
True story folk... During my senior year of high school, I was voted "most liberal." My quote for the school paper was "I believe America needs to be more communist." Unfortunately, I couldn't find my old copy of the school paper.

Anyway, to be honest, I kind of neeeed the commies right now. That's how my status will be elevated to "USA's Greatest Prophet" *

*USA - Union of Socialist America
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During my Senior year I lied to the guidance counselor and told him I had bad insomnia and couldn’t stay awake in class and that I needed to go on independent studies, hehe.
Didn’t ask for a note or anything...just said...”Okay, you're on track with credits to graduate, so...okay.”
It was INFJ bliss.
Picked up my work and took my tests for 2 hours Monday morning...then just did all the work for the week on Sunday.

Anyhow....I don’t want to wander off the thread topic.
So...you fuckin commie!
Rocky beat you in part IV!
;)
“WOLVERINES!!!"
 
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kinglear said:
"Resist Everything": Socialist Within State Department Exposed In Veritas "Deep State" Sting

by Tyler Durden
Tue, 09/18/2018 - 09:00
James O'Keefe and his undercover investigators have once again exposed extreme left-wing activists pursuing a progressive agenda within a position of power - this time infiltrating the State Department.

O'Keefe's team has previously released undercover videos revealing radical leftists at Twitter bragging about "shadow banning" conservatives, Democrat operatives paid by the Clinton campaign engaging in voter fraud, CNN employees admitting that the Trump-Russia story was a "fake news" ratings bonanza, and the "culture of anti-Trump bias" at the New York Times.

In their latest installment, Veritas met Stuart Karaffa - a State Department employee who is also a ranking member of the Metro DC Democratic Socialists of America who is "engaged in radical socialist political activity on the taxpayer's dime," while actively advocating for "resistance to official government policies," according to Project Veritas.

Mr. Karaffa’s loyalties seem to be with DSA, not with his employer.

Karaffa told an undercover Project Veritas journalist that he performs DSA activism while at work for the State Department. He explained that he drafts DSA communications while on the job at State Department: -Project Veritas

"… I’m careful about it. I don’t leave a paper trail, like I leave emails, and like any press s**t that comes up I leave that until after 5:30. But as soon as 5:31 hits, got my like draft messages ready to send out," says Karaffa, who doesn't believe he'll get caught for pursuing his own agenda within the Department of State.

"Maybe someday I’ll go to board of elections jail, probably not," he said, adding: "I have nothing to lose. It’s impossible to fire federal employees." Karaffa says "nobody knows" about his activism - and that it's easy to circumvent State Department ethics disclosures because "… somebody just rubber stamps [the form] and it goes forward… I don’t know if [the ethics officer is] all there. He’s so checked out…"

Watch:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...n-state-department-exposed-veritas-deep-state
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Another 'Zero Hedge’ nugget, lol.
 
kinglear said:
commies don't care about damage caused because they want nation states to fail so they wish all kinds of terrible things to befall people; they believe the ends justify the means
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Even your attempt at a caricature of communism is wrong. What you're attempting to caricature with your reference to the end justifying the means, the failure of nation states, etc., is Trotskyism. So yeah, even your caricatures are wrong.

You really have a very poor handle of some pretty basic political concepts. No wonder you're so confused.
 
Ren said:
Even your attempt at a caricature of communism is wrong. What you're attempting to caricature with your reference to the end justifying the means, the failure of nation states, etc., is Trotskyism. So yeah, even your caricatures are wrong.

You really have a very poor handle of some pretty basic political concepts. No wonder you're so confused.
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so what i'm speaking about is not necessarily what a grassroots person who has filled their heads with marx's writings will think is communism

what i'm saying is that all of that stuff that grassroots activists are having their heads filled with is a deception

i'm saying that what communism really is is a restructuring of society by powerful people to one in which they can wield a greater degree of control over everyone

so in the modern era this will take the form of a SMART grid of SMART cities where all electronic appliances are interconnected in an 'internet of things' run by artificial intelligence and communicating through 5G wifi

most humans will be redundant in this system where automation will replace their labour

so traditionally the people have been exploited by powerful forces but they have been able to club together in unions and peoples societies in order to use their combined labour as a platform through which they can negotiate a better deal from the oligarchic forces

however automation strips the workers of their labour which is their key bargaining chip

The elites who are behind this push towards a technocratic society of the future are also the same people behind the eugenics movement and they believe there are too many people on the planet. They are looking to reduce the global population and then enslave the remaining people in their SMART technocratic society in which they will have no private property and no privacy and no autonomy or freedoms

Their lives will be controlled down to the fine detail by the technocrats and their AI

So what i'm saying is that the grassroots people who are currently helping to move society in a certain direction are not going to get what they want. they are going to get what the elites are planning for them
 
Milktoast Bandit said:
True story folks... During my senior year of high school, I was voted "most liberal." My quote for the school paper was "I believe America needs to be more communist." Unfortunately, I couldn't find my old copy of the school paper.

Anyway, to be honest, I kind of neeeed the commies right now. That's how my status will be elevated to "USA's Greatest Prophet" *

*USA - Union of Socialist America
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ok so in this communist society of yours who will hold the magic wand?

who will make the decisions?
 
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