Men Inequality: are men falling behind in society?

 
Roses In The Vineyard said:
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That’s really sad and terrible.

If men fail as a whole then I wonder what the eventual impact will be on society collectively. Like most exponents, there’s generally a tipping point where one key metric can impact the entire societal system.

The video talks about men in the West, but I’ve also seen the same for the youth (men and women) in China. There, they call it “laying flat.”

I suspect this will eventually lead to a backlash or uprising.

This all feels like greed and corruption has hit such a high level that it is destroying the very thing that gives the greedy their wealth.

Again, a very sad state of affairs.
 
TomasM said:
That’s really sad and terrible.

If men fail as a whole then I wonder what the eventual impact will be on society collectively. Like most exponents, there’s generally a tipping point where one key metric can impact the entire societal system.

The video talks about men in the West, but I’ve also seen the same for the youth (men and women) in China. There, they call it “laying flat.”

I suspect this will eventually lead to a backlash or uprising.

This all feels like greed and corruption has hit such a high level that it is destroying the very thing that gives the greedy their wealth.

Again, a very sad state of affairs.
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I can see this being one of the big factors in the downfall of the CCP with in a decade or so given how bad things have gotten over the past few years. As for society as an whole expect an demographic crises and eventually long term decline particularly in the developed countries.
 
I don't know what much I have to add to this thread beyond my own anecdata. What I see: Boys are taught from a young age that they can never hope to be as "emotionally intelligent" or "empathy" or "good listeners" as women, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. They have found some "refuge" in industries like computer programming that don't require a lot of face-to-face collaboration or emotional sensitivity, but now that those jobs have become very in-demand and high-paying, there is a strong movement to make more space for women and prioritize high-contact working styles, which again leaves some young men feeling directionless.

At the same time, women have long been taught the importance of collaboration and mutual trust, and use it to band together and uplift each other economically and emotionally (but also occasionally weaponize the same, e.g. through "callout culture" and gossip).

I work in a very male-heavy industry (not programming) and the number of men I work with who lack basic social skills such as not interrupting or monopolizing the conversation, showing up on time to meetings and staying on top of assigned tasks, and recognizing when someone needs help and offering it is... the majority of men I work with. (And a disproportionate share of the exceptions are openly gay, for whatever that's worth.) Women are gaining a lot of ground, and quickly, simply because they are willing to show up, have a real conversation, and do the work that they promise. In my age cohort, we have about a 50/50 mix of men and women at the company, but if you look at the top 10% performers, they are almost all women.
 
I recently read an article that pointed out that once the demographic of a particular field of endeavor approached 50% female that men then abandoned the field. the first example was of teaching which in the 19C was a male dominated field. the latest is college education. So are men falling behind or are they just fucking up?
 
SlowUpTake said:
I recently read an article that pointed out that once the demographic of a particular field of endeavor approached 50% female that men then abandoned the field. the first example was of teaching which in the 19C was a male dominated field. the latest is college education. So are men falling behind or are they just fucking up?
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Being the broken record that I am the first thing that always comes to mind is psychology and how those demographics are normalized in society then there is the modern factor that being ideology. It really does feel that men are simply not wanted anymore and are regarded as being social obsolescent even though men do the large majority of the physical work out there.
 
Roses In The Vineyard said:
It really does feel that men are simply not wanted anymore and are regarded as being social obsolescent even though men do the large majority of the physical work out there.
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To whom?

I've been reading up on women losing their libido. Age seems to have something to do with it. However, there is a growing number of women that do not want to be touched any longer. Men have to live with this, or seek divorce, or start cheating, to have interaction the way they need it. Women can lose that emotion. Seems like they would find you someone else and look the other way, but that is no answer.

I like having women around. If men are simply not wanted anymore? Something is wrong, either with reality or feelings. Dogs were always my best friends, though. We didn't want anything from anybody, just to spend time together.

Mind you, I have been graced with the presence of some fine women in my life. Even at younger ages, my time here on earth is better because of interaction with them. They were the few, but I have lived in a relatively small world all my life. When I can get a smile out of one of them, I feel so much better to have helped them to smile. Nothing like watching them light up.

How social are we? I'm not very social at all. I try to be within my limits. I don't dress out as a social bumble bee or hummingbird. I do not hang out where large groups of people are much. My social life has always been mostly secretive and with a low profile. Don't count a male infj in such a way. I'm really not a social being, but am trying to make new friends. It is difficult with such age differences. I am wanted, but would not try to open up to a woman that thought I was not wanted any longer. So it goes, sometimes we get what we deserve instead of trying to make life better. Yes, I took offense with this, but know it was not personal. I'm married and enjoy talking with my wife very much.
I especially love listening about her happy moments as a child. She loves animals, and always had some kind of pet before her Dad would make it ready as food. She wouldn't eat meat for weeks. So sad.

We all need each other to lean on, as the song went.



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Nice video, @Roses In The Vineyard .

This sounds like a warning against Black Widows, which I can squash with my shoe. Are there that many women out there who lose respect for their man? Are there that many men who lose respect for themselves? The meek shall inherit the earth. People can respect me in my own humble way, or they can walk. I noticed a cross in your video. I am not a womanizer. In my seventies, I was doing things before the generation behind me were born. Things may be different now, but we used to get together with other couples at night and play Pinochle.
We had Easter Egg Hunts. We went fishing. We played Backgammon. Sometimes our male friends and I would play chess: penny poker.
Matchstick poker.

With all this new social media, something has been lost. A person can post something totally rude and uncolorful. We used to all do things together. Respect was not talked about, because we had it for each other. There are many other writings in the Bible. Without a Biblical understanding of a spiritual man, many misconceptions can take hold in a woman's heart. If she, too, is spiritual? We have a lovely understanding between the two.

Respect is not given: it is earned. We cannot expect all men to be Superman. We can not expect all men to be Jesus. I never expect a woman to be like Delilah. I prefer Godly love and understanding, and I fear any woman that tries to destroy men shall herself be destroyed: in what ever manner. Likewise, men should not try to destroy women. I'd like to call it mutual respect, if I may. Let's chat some more.
 
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