WAR

[muir]

DUBAI (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia overtook India to become the world's biggest weapons importer in 2014, a year when global defense trade rose for the sixth straight year to a record $64.4 billion, research company IHS said on Sunday.
The growth in supplies was due to expanding demand from emerging economies for military aircraft and rising tensions in the Middle East and Asia Pacific, IHS, a provider of global market and economic information, said.
The United States remained the top defense exporter in 2014, ahead of Russia, France, Britain and Germany, a top-five ranking unchanged from 2013, IHS said in an annual defense trade report.

The US basically went in to saudi arabia many years ago and said: ''here's whats going to happen. We are going to prop up a corrupt royal family and protect them by putting military bases into saudi arabia

We will need to protect the family because they are blocking democracy so they will then become unpopular with the common people

But in return for propping up this dictatorial (head chopping) royal family we want them to sell us oil at knock down prices. The money that corrupt family makes (none will make it down to the common people) must then be spent buying up our military hardware. This way we get to steal the oil of the saudi arabian people by getting it cheap and then the money we do pay them will then come back to us in arms deals. Of course we will need instability in the middle east to justify all the weapons but that's ok our CIA operatives are specialists in destabilising regions after all 'divide and rule' is the oldest trick in the imperial handbook''

The corrupt saudi arabian royal family then act as 'price doves' in OPEC which is a group of middle eastern oil producing countries who clubbed together into a cartel so that they could negotiate better prices from their western buyers.

However the US got their puppets into OPEC in the form of the various corrupt gulf state monarchies (royal familes) which the US protects. These US puppets then sabotage OPEC from the inside by refusing to sell oil at reasonable prices

Recently when the US decided it was upset that Russia did not let it just takeover Ukraine (the US wants to move Monsanto into Ukraine so that it can pour toxic chemicals all over the Ukrainian grasslands because they are the 'bread basket of europe') it decided to hurt Russias oil/gas based economy. The land in ukraine will then be planted up with genetically modified organisms (GMO's) by Monsanto (GMO's have been proven by independent scientists to cause cancers)

In order to hurt the russians for trying to protect Ukraine from Monsanto the US got their puppets the saudi royal family (all linked to the bin ladens and 911) to start pumping oil at crazy low prices. Of course this means the saudi people lose their oil because they're not getting the money they need from their countries natural resource to develop their own economies/societies but the saudi royal family get rich and they get protection from the US government but it drives oil prices down which then hurts the economies of all the countries who are defiant to US control eg russia, venezuala, iran etc

But none of this matters because the US has a powerful media machine which tells the US public a totally different version of reality which they in their aspartame befuddled state believe

 

[Eventhorizon]

Okay…Im tired of this “liberal bias” shit…
Even Bush Sr. called Reaganomics “voodoo economics”…the idea was if you cut tax rates that this would stimulate the economy (even though we have countless European countries who have successful progressive tax rates) and everyone would benefit right?
Except that is NOT reality, it didn’t happen like that…we created economic bubbling that always “pop”.
Hey…they tried it…the experiment should be over now because we have 80 of the richest people in the world owning 50% of all the wealth…most are in the US.
I really don’t give a flying eff, who did what really…the damage has been done…we need to fix it.


Yes, you exactly kick them out and have trials for them and for the Wall street CEOs who crashed our economy…Obama didn’t crash it, he only made getting food stamp requirements easier because we had record numbers of people losing their jobs.
I know you hate Obama and that is very clearly biased in almost every response.
Reagan cut the top tax rates from 70% to 28%…oh hey, guess what? We don’t have the revenue two decades later to fix our infrastructure or pay for teachers.

All boats do not rise with the tide...

The middle class has been fucked over man. Yes, we reestablish the laws regulating the banks on Wall Street…because each time the regulation have been removed they have fucked the economy over both in 1929 and in 2009.

Yes…you clear out the corruption…and it’s our duty to keep them fair…to make sure they don’t manipulate people’s votes or disenfranchise people’s votes.
We gain back things like Pension plans, and we make college free.
Then hopefully we won’t be nation of idiots who watch shows on MTV about morons partying somewhere and acting like fucking retards.

So you dont want real solutions. You just want to complain about how bad things are and never bring real world solutions to the table. Well thats not any different than most people.
And yes the vast majority of the information you provide concerning Clinton, Reagan all highly bias. But again most people generally wont consider more than one side of an argument so its nothing more than normal I suppose.

 

[Eventhorizon]

The idea that Clinton made this list is laughable. www.gallup.com/poll/146183/americans-say-reagan-greatest-president.aspx

 

[muir]

The US did a very good job of creating ISIS

Now they have muslims fighting muslims

Perfect

When the muslims eventually exhaust themselves from war, they will find that the US has taken all their oil from under their noses while they were shooting up each others mosques with US military hardware

Amazing how ISIS this supposedly islamic extremist organisation has never attacked Israel isn't it? Well not really when you realise that ISIS was created by, funded, armed and trained by the zionists

Wounded ISIS fighters are even treated in israeli hospitals....awww how sweet

Also israel flies nice bombing raids into syria for ISIS.....cos they're best buddies

 

[muir]

As for 'war' being a part of human nature....i don't think it's so much that

i think it is more about people allowing themselves to be manipulated into doing crazy things by scheming sheisters...that's what a war is

The biggest scheming sheisters have usually been the money changers:

[video=youtube;5hfEBupAeo4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfEBupAeo4[/video]

''But it's the governments who make wars not the bankers'' some fools will proclaim.....yeah but the governments are owned lock stock and barrel by the bankers. The governments are nothing more than bagmen for the bankers whose job it is to stand up on stage and on TV and tell you lies so that you don't get angry at the bankers

Simple and effective

 

[sprinkles]

im not sure why you think I was trolling. But since it got you so upset I at least got a laugh out of it.

I wasn't actually upset until you said I know jack shit.

Your question did not come across as a serious inquiry or a legitimate question. I mean really do you expect me to base a statement like the one I made on well researched facts? You think I'm going to write a dissertation on it?

It should have been obvious that my statement was illustrative and rhetorical. As I told you in the rep you got. Which you complained about.

 

[the]

I wasn't actually upset until you said I know jack shit.

Your question did not come across as a serious inquiry or a legitimate question. I mean really do you expect me to base a statement like the one I made on well researched facts? You think I'm going to write a dissertation on it?

It should have been obvious that my statement was illustrative and rhetorical. As I told you in the rep you got. Which you complained about.

So you admit that not only do you know jack shit about war but also about interpersonal communication. I actually did think maybe you had some insight, but I wont make that mistake again.

 

[Skarekrow]

So you dont want real solutions. You just want to complain about how bad things are and never bring real world solutions to the table. Well thats not any different than most people.
And yes the vast majority of the information you provide concerning Clinton, Reagan all highly bias. But again most people generally wont consider more than one side of an argument so its nothing more than normal I suppose.

Seriously?! I just offered several that you ignored.
So whatever…agree to disagree.

 

[sprinkles]

So you admit that not only do you know jack shit about war but also about interpersonal communication. I actually did think maybe you had some insight, but I wont make that mistake again.

How do you know this?

More to the point, what exactly is this "jack shit" and how do you know I don't know it?

How's it feel to have inane questions.

Edit:
Also you're in no position to tell me about what you think about my insights or making mistakes with me. And even if you DID think I had insight you could have fucking fooled me (I highly doubt you did, I think you are straight up lying at this point)

 

[Skarekrow]

The idea that Clinton made this list is laughable. www.gallup.com/poll/146183/americans-say-reagan-greatest-president.aspx

Yes…he did absolutely nothing….what a fuck-tard.
Who is conveniently ignoring history now?

• Longest economic expansion in American history
  The President's strategy of fiscal discipline, open foreign markets and investments in the American people helped create the conditions for a record 115 months of economic expansion. Our economy has grown at an average of 4 percent per year since 1993.
• More than 22 million new jobs
  More than 22 million jobs were created in less than eight years -- the most ever under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous twelve years.
• Highest homeownership in American history
  A strong economy and fiscal discipline kept interest rates low, making it possible for more families to buy homes. The homeownership rate increased from 64.2 percent in 1992 to 67. 7 percent, the highest rate ever.
• Lowest unemployment in 30 years
  Unemployment dropped from more than 7 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in November 2000. Unemployment for African Americans and Hispanics fell to the lowest rates on record, and the rate for women is the lowest in more than 40 years.
• Raised education standards, increased school choice, and doubled education and training investment
  Since 1992, reading and math scores have increased for 4th, 8th, and 12th graders, math SAT scores are at a 30-year high, the number of charter schools has grown from 1 to more than 2,000, forty-nine states have put in place standards in core subjects and federal investment in education and training has doubled.
• Largest expansion of college opportunity since the GI Bill
  President Clinton and Vice President Gore have nearly doubled financial aid for students by increasing Pell Grants to the largest award ever, expanding Federal Work-Study to allow 1 million students to work their way through college, and by creating new tax credits and scholarships such as Lifetime Learning tax credits and the HOPE scholarship. At the same time, taxpayers have saved $18 billion due to the decline in student loan defaults, increased collections and savings from the direct student loan program.
• Connected 95 percent of schools to the Internet
  President Clinton and Vice President Gore's new commitment to education technology, including the E-Rate and a 3,000 percent increase in educational technology funding, increased the percentage of schools connected to the Internet from 35 percent in 1994 to 95 percent in 1999.
• Lowest crime rate in 26 years
  Because of President Clinton's comprehensive anti-crime strategy of tough penalties, more police, and smart prevention, as well as common sense gun safety laws, the overall crime rate declined for 8 consecutive years, the longest continuous drop on record, and is at the lowest level since 1973.
• 100,000 more police for our streets
  As part of the 1994 Crime Bill, President Clinton enacted a new initiative to fund 100,000 community police officers. To date more than 11,000 law enforcement agencies have received COPS funding.
• Enacted most sweeping gun safety legislation in a generation
  Since the President signed the Brady bill in 1993, more than 600,000 felons, fugitives, and other prohibited persons have been stopped from buying guns. Gun crime has declined 40 percent since 1992.
• Family and Medical Leave Act for 20 million Americans
  To help parents succeed at work and at home, President Clinton signed the Family and Medical Leave Act in 1993. Over 20 million Americans have taken unpaid leave to care for a newborn child or sick family member.
• Smallest welfare rolls in 32 years
  The President pledged to end welfare as we know it and signed landmark bipartisan welfare reform legislation in 1996. Since then, caseloads have been cut in half, to the lowest level since 1968, and millions of parents have joined the workforce. People on welfare today are five times more likely to be working than in 1992.
• Higher incomes at all levels
  After falling by nearly $2,000 between 1988 and 1992, the median family's income rose by $6,338, after adjusting for inflation, since 1993. African American family income increased even more, rising by nearly $7,000 since 1993. After years of stagnant income growth among average and lower income families, all income brackets experienced double-digit growth since 1993. The bottom 20 percent saw the largest income growth at 16.3 percent.
• Lowest poverty rate in 20 years
  Since Congress passed President Clinton's Economic Plan in 1993, the poverty rate declined from 15.1 percent to 11.8 percent last year — the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. There are now 7 million fewer people in poverty than in 1993. The child poverty rate declined more than 25 percent, the poverty rates for single mothers, African Americans and the elderly have dropped to their lowest levels on record, and Hispanic poverty dropped to its lowest level since 1979.
• Lowest teen birth rate in 60 years
  In his 1995 State of the Union Address, President Clinton challenged Americans to join together in a national campaign against teen pregnancy. The birth rate for teens aged 15-19 declined every year of the Clinton Presidency, from 60.7 per 1,000 teens in 1992 to a record low of 49.6 in 1999.
• Lowest infant mortality rate in American history
  The Clinton Administration expanded efforts to provide mothers and newborn children with health care. Today, a record high 82 percent of all mothers receive prenatal care. The infant mortality rate has dropped from 8.5 deaths per 1,000 in 1992 to 7.2 deaths per 1,000 in 1998, the lowest rate ever recorded.
• Deactivated more than 1,700 nuclear warheads from the former Soviet Union
  Efforts of the Clinton-Gore Administration led to the dismantling of more than 1,700 nuclear warheads, 300 launchers and 425 land and submarine based missiles from the former Soviet Union.
• Protected millions of acres of American land
  President Clinton has protected more land in the lower 48 states than any other president. He has protected 5 new national parks, designated 11 new national monuments and expanded two others and proposed protections for 60 million acres of roadless areas in America's national forests.
• Paid off $360 billion of the national debt
  Between 1998-2000, the national debt was reduced by $363 billion — the largest three-year debt pay-down in American history. We are now on track to pay off the entire debt by 2009.
• Converted the largest budget deficit in American history to the largest surplus
  Thanks in large part to the 1993 Deficit Reduction Act, the 1997 Balanced Budget Act, and President Clinton's call to save the surplus for debt reduction, Social Security, and Medicare solvency, America has put its fiscal house in order. The deficit was $290 billion in 1993 and expected to grow to $455 billion by this year. Instead, we have a projected surplus of $237 billion.
• Lowest government spending in three decades
  Under President Clinton federal government spending as a share of the economy has decreased from 22.2 percent in 1992 to a projected 18.5 percent in 2000, the lowest since 1966.
• Lowest federal income tax burden in 35 years
  President Clinton enacted targeted tax cuts such as the Earned Income Tax Credit expansion, $500 child tax credit, and the HOPE Scholarship and Lifetime Learning Tax Credits. Federal income taxes as a percentage of income for the typical American family have dropped to their lowest level in 35 years.
• More families own stock than ever before
  The number of families owning stock in the United States increased by 40 percent since 1992.
• Most diverse cabinet in American history
  The President has appointed more African Americans, women and Hispanics to the Cabinet than any other President in history. He appointed the first female Attorney General, the first female Secretary of State and the first Asian American cabinet secretary ever.

 

[the]

How do you know this?

More to the point, what exactly is this "jack shit" and how do you know I don't know it?

How's it feel to have inane questions.

Please just stop. You're being a child.

 

[sprinkles]

Please just stop. You're being a child.

If you were actually interested in what I had to say we'd be discussing it instead of your bitching. This shows me that you never intended to take it seriously and just wanted to nag.

And strictly speaking you're right. I don't really know exactly what causes war in general, or if it's actually avoidable. But neither do you or anyone else here.

 

[the]

If you were actually interested in what I had to say we'd be discussing it instead of your bitching. This shows me that you never intended to take it seriously and just wanted to nag.

And strictly speaking you're right. I don't really know exactly what causes war in general, or if it's actually avoidable. But neither do you or anyone else here.

I mean, I did try to start the conversation lol. But we've established that you have no idea so I guess that's that. You don't have to hide your insults through reps, But if you are embarrassed then feel free. If you still need the last word then go ahead, you have my permission.

 

[sprinkles]

I mean, I did try to start the conversation lol. But we've established that you have no idea so I guess that's that. You don't have to hide your insults through reps, But if you are embarrassed then feel free. If you still need the last word then go ahead, you have my permission.

You asked me one question and when you didn't like my answer you gave up and said I don't know anything. You didn't try whatsoever.

And given the way you've acted towards me and others over a long period I don't see how you can blame me for misinterpreting your intent if that's what actually happened. I could have discussed it with you but I've never felt that you gave a rats ass, especially when you described before how you instantly judge most people and don't care about getting to know them. Do you remember saying that? Because I remember you saying it. But by the look of it you don't appreciate it when it happens to you.

 

[Skarekrow]

[MENTION=731]the[/MENTION] [MENTION=6917]sprinkles[/MENTION]

You two should just chill before some overseer bans you both.
Yeah! We’re all friends!!!
Super!!

 

[sprinkles]

[MENTION=731]the[/MENTION] [MENTION=6917]sprinkles[/MENTION]

You two should just chill before some overseer bans you both.
Yeah! We’re all friends!!!
Super!!

Well I guess it illustrates my point in a meta sense.

 

[Matt3737]

[MENTION=731]the[/MENTION]

Do you know what a rhetorical question is?

Please shut up. Thanks.

 

[the]

[MENTION=731]the[/MENTION] [MENTION=6917]sprinkles[/MENTION]

You two should just chill before some overseer bans you both.
Yeah! We’re all friends!!!
Super!!

Ikr? Lets give peace a chance!

 

[the]

[MENTION=731]the[/MENTION]

Do you know what a rhetorical question is?

Please shut up. Thanks.

Yes massa

 

[Eventhorizon]

Yes…he did absolutely nothing….what a fuck-tard.
Who is conveniently ignoring history now?

• Longest economic expansion in American history
  The President's strategy of fiscal discipline, open foreign markets and investments in the American people helped create the conditions for a record 115 months of economic expansion. Our economy has grown at an average of 4 percent per year since 1993.
• More than 22 million new jobs
  More than 22 million jobs were created in less than eight years -- the most ever under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous twelve years.
• Highest homeownership in American history
  A strong economy and fiscal discipline kept interest rates low, making it possible for more families to buy homes. The homeownership rate increased from 64.2 percent in 1992 to 67. 7 percent, the highest rate ever.
• Lowest unemployment in 30 years
  Unemployment dropped from more than 7 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in November 2000. Unemployment for African Americans and Hispanics fell to the lowest rates on record, and the rate for women is the lowest in more than 40 years.
• Raised education standards, increased school choice, and doubled education and training investment
  Since 1992, reading and math scores have increased for 4th, 8th, and 12th graders, math SAT scores are at a 30-year high, the number of charter schools has grown from 1 to more than 2,000, forty-nine states have put in place standards in core subjects and federal investment in education and training has doubled.
• Largest expansion of college opportunity since the GI Bill
  President Clinton and Vice President Gore have nearly doubled financial aid for students by increasing Pell Grants to the largest award ever, expanding Federal Work-Study to allow 1 million students to work their way through college, and by creating new tax credits and scholarships such as Lifetime Learning tax credits and the HOPE scholarship. At the same time, taxpayers have saved $18 billion due to the decline in student loan defaults, increased collections and savings from the direct student loan program.
• Connected 95 percent of schools to the Internet
  President Clinton and Vice President Gore's new commitment to education technology, including the E-Rate and a 3,000 percent increase in educational technology funding, increased the percentage of schools connected to the Internet from 35 percent in 1994 to 95 percent in 1999.
• Lowest crime rate in 26 years
  Because of President Clinton's comprehensive anti-crime strategy of tough penalties, more police, and smart prevention, as well as common sense gun safety laws, the overall crime rate declined for 8 consecutive years, the longest continuous drop on record, and is at the lowest level since 1973.
• 100,000 more police for our streets
  As part of the 1994 Crime Bill, President Clinton enacted a new initiative to fund 100,000 community police officers. To date more than 11,000 law enforcement agencies have received COPS funding.
• Enacted most sweeping gun safety legislation in a generation
  Since the President signed the Brady bill in 1993, more than 600,000 felons, fugitives, and other prohibited persons have been stopped from buying guns. Gun crime has declined 40 percent since 1992.
• Family and Medical Leave Act for 20 million Americans
  To help parents succeed at work and at home, President Clinton signed the Family and Medical Leave Act in 1993. Over 20 million Americans have taken unpaid leave to care for a newborn child or sick family member.
• Smallest welfare rolls in 32 years
  The President pledged to end welfare as we know it and signed landmark bipartisan welfare reform legislation in 1996. Since then, caseloads have been cut in half, to the lowest level since 1968, and millions of parents have joined the workforce. People on welfare today are five times more likely to be working than in 1992.
• Higher incomes at all levels
  After falling by nearly $2,000 between 1988 and 1992, the median family's income rose by $6,338, after adjusting for inflation, since 1993. African American family income increased even more, rising by nearly $7,000 since 1993. After years of stagnant income growth among average and lower income families, all income brackets experienced double-digit growth since 1993. The bottom 20 percent saw the largest income growth at 16.3 percent.
• Lowest poverty rate in 20 years
  Since Congress passed President Clinton's Economic Plan in 1993, the poverty rate declined from 15.1 percent to 11.8 percent last year – the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. There are now 7 million fewer people in poverty than in 1993. The child poverty rate declined more than 25 percent, the poverty rates for single mothers, African Americans and the elderly have dropped to their lowest levels on record, and Hispanic poverty dropped to its lowest level since 1979.
• Lowest teen birth rate in 60 years
  In his 1995 State of the Union Address, President Clinton challenged Americans to join together in a national campaign against teen pregnancy. The birth rate for teens aged 15-19 declined every year of the Clinton Presidency, from 60.7 per 1,000 teens in 1992 to a record low of 49.6 in 1999.
• Lowest infant mortality rate in American history
  The Clinton Administration expanded efforts to provide mothers and newborn children with health care. Today, a record high 82 percent of all mothers receive prenatal care. The infant mortality rate has dropped from 8.5 deaths per 1,000 in 1992 to 7.2 deaths per 1,000 in 1998, the lowest rate ever recorded.
• Deactivated more than 1,700 nuclear warheads from the former Soviet Union
  Efforts of the Clinton-Gore Administration led to the dismantling of more than 1,700 nuclear warheads, 300 launchers and 425 land and submarine based missiles from the former Soviet Union.
• Protected millions of acres of American land
  President Clinton has protected more land in the lower 48 states than any other president. He has protected 5 new national parks, designated 11 new national monuments and expanded two others and proposed protections for 60 million acres of roadless areas in America's national forests.
• Paid off $360 billion of the national debt
  Between 1998-2000, the national debt was reduced by $363 billion – the largest three-year debt pay-down in American history. We are now on track to pay off the entire debt by 2009.
• Converted the largest budget deficit in American history to the largest surplus
  Thanks in large part to the 1993 Deficit Reduction Act, the 1997 Balanced Budget Act, and President Clinton's call to save the surplus for debt reduction, Social Security, and Medicare solvency, America has put its fiscal house in order. The deficit was $290 billion in 1993 and expected to grow to $455 billion by this year. Instead, we have a projected surplus of $237 billion.
• Lowest government spending in three decades
  Under President Clinton federal government spending as a share of the economy has decreased from 22.2 percent in 1992 to a projected 18.5 percent in 2000, the lowest since 1966.
• Lowest federal income tax burden in 35 years
  President Clinton enacted targeted tax cuts such as the Earned Income Tax Credit expansion, $500 child tax credit, and the HOPE Scholarship and Lifetime Learning Tax Credits. Federal income taxes as a percentage of income for the typical American family have dropped to their lowest level in 35 years.
• More families own stock than ever before
  The number of families owning stock in the United States increased by 40 percent since 1992.
• Most diverse cabinet in American history
  The President has appointed more African Americans, women and Hispanics to the Cabinet than any other President in history. He appointed the first female Attorney General, the first female Secretary of State and the first Asian American cabinet secretary ever.

Like I said, very bias and talk about rewriting history.
www.businessinsider.com/how-bill-clintons-balanced-budget-destroyed-the-economy-2012-9