[ENFP] Does she like me? Do you guys ever take a week alone time from someone you love?

OK, so there was a consistent pattern with which you were both comfortable and she has shown consideration for you in the past and from your OP, you did mention she was always reassuring when she came back.

Just so we're clear, what was the last thing you sent her? The apology? Would you feel comfortable sharing what you wrote?
I sent her a message on a few things replying to her last messages (in which she stated she needed alone time)...I replied because I don't leave messages unanswered, but I expected I wouldn't receive a response to the last one. I basically apologized at the end and told her I'm really sorry and that I never knew I came off the way she described by way of the movie.

She read that one and never answered. Sort of worried me, but I expected nothing less considering she told me she needed alone time.

I messaged her yesterday and she hasn't read it yet, but she will eventually.
 
Yeah that 'pretend disinterest' stuff I just roll my eyes at. The whole gameplaying for status in a relationship, and the fact that these ideas are out there in a big way, really triggers my cynicism and I end up just closing off from society and shutting down emotionally.

I read an article a few months ago addressing the issue of your gf not wanting to have sex with you (not an issue I had, but something I happened upon while browsing), and the 'solution' was to make sure that she noticed you texting other girls to trigger her jealousy and make you seem high-value. :expressionless: Seriously, what is the point?

There's no doubt that some people are wired up this way, but I'm not sure that it correlates with 'attractiveness'.



Say for example subject was attracted to two different people at two different times, if a person is by all norms more attractive, is subject likely to act more stupidly? Or okay. I accept, perhaps rather than attractiveness, the phrase to to use should be: "being into someone". The more into someone subject is, the more stupid subject gets.

Don't trust those click bait articles. A lot of them are just humans looking to earn more revenue from the vulnerable.

(Yep. I'm cynic)

The tough conversations are tough because they are the most important.

Whenever we have those conversations we say things that are tough intentionally to get the blood moving. Here's why:

When you have a friend that is scared to do the hard thing, they are hiding behind a wall of protection, where they feel comfortable. To really get to the truth of the matter, it requires making them feel less comfortable in that space. Then their blood gets boiling and they usually lash out - this is a good thing.

Then we say "Good, use that feeling and tell me what the hell is really going on".

And then the flood gates open and the truth finally comes out.

We talk through it - mostly listening - then reassure our friend that we still love them, and tell them that we really were concerned.

We say "Are we cool know", and then hug it out. Then we say "Now let's go have a beer". And not only are we better friends, but whatever the original issue was, tends to get resolved.

That's compassion.


LOL woah. What are you, a gym instructor or something?



I never told him to make "Ultimatums". I told him to talk to her and figure out how she really feels about this potential relationship.

Come on, girls. If you tell a guy that you need time, what are you really saying?

I think this is the root of his actual OP.

That I need time. That's what I mean. Seesh I hate these girls and beauty mags that make everything look like a chess game. I just need time. (For me at least)



@sassafras honestly, the time she disappeared only started worrying me after she went off on me a bit about a character flaw she saw. I know it was her trying to help me become a better person and not her trying to be mean. Before that, it never worried me whatsoever. In fact, I found it sort of nice, because absence makes the heart grow fonder.


Ah, you are an overthinker. Wouldn't it be funny if after all the hulabaloo in this thread, you develop issues, and those issues are precisely what makes her dislike you?

In any case, what @wiredandwound is saying is not without value because everything is uncertain. For example in my case, I was certain with my connection to INTP and it turns out I am correct except we have different interpretations of the connection: I, of love, and he, of best friendship. There is no certainty that this should also apply to your case but it is wise to take connections with some grain of salt. In other words, wait it out. As what @sassafras has repeatedly said already. Nonetheless, be prepared if all she wanted was just an awesome online fubu, we can't do much.



TLDR, If I were to be as blunt and as cynic as the trend in this thread, I'd say:

Love??? Online? Already??? Seriously? You sure you aren't just hyperfantasizing about the good sex? Meh.

(But of course I don't know your truths, i.e. how truly intellectually and mentally intimate and connected you both are so I'm not one to judge. And because they say online is where you put your best foot forward, I wouldn't say all that. Even though I'm an overthinker and I like this forum as an overthinker because this is the one place that I can let my mind run free without fears of rejection)

Edit: it got posted before I completed my responses.
 
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I think we actually need Pope Benedict IX back.
OMG somebody in real life is actually talking about my period.

My fucking head is going to esplode
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What about the pope that dug up the body of the ex-pope and put it on trial?

I'm a RomeABoo, mostly founding to a bit after the fall of the Western Roman Empire
Lol I'm not familiar. They did that with Wyclif, though, and people had a habit of digging people up just so they could burn them as heretics.

I guess I still haven't found a friend :( I'm 11th & 12th century.
 
Lol it isn't always like that guys. When I say I need time it's because I need time and I won't say I need time to somebody I am NOT attracted to. And when I have theoretically already told someone I need time, I will not be giving any more time to other guys. Only one. I just happen to be an overthinker that needs to mentally and emotionally prepare herself for all the possibilities. I don't make people wait for nothing. I just really need time.

Am I negating my self here?
 
Lol it isn't always like that guys. When I say I need time it's because I need time and I won't say I need time to somebody I am NOT attracted to. And when I have theoretically already told someone I need time, I will not be giving any more time to other guys. Only one. I just happen to be an overthinker that needs to mentally and emotionally prepare herself for all the possibilities. I don't make people wait for nothing. I just really need time.

I know... nuts, right? Sometimes people really do mean what they say.

I know its easier said than done, especially when our insecurities are driving the panic bus, but if we care about someone and they haven't given us a reason to distrust them, it's better to trust and see what happens next than drive ourselves crazy looking for hidden motives and potentially ruin something great with our panic.

*my autocorrect is on the fritz today, holy hell lmao
 
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Lol it isn't always like that guys. When I say I need time it's because I need time and I won't say I need time to somebody I am NOT attracted to. And when I have theoretically already told someone I need time, I will not be giving any more time to other guys. Only one. I just happen to be an overthinker that needs to mentally and emotionally prepare herself for all the possibilities. I don't make people wait for nothing. I just really need time.

Am I negating my self here?
Taking time for what exactly?

I get that women must be more cautious in their decision to commit, but wouldn't it be better to make that decision while in the presence of that person?

I guess what I'm trying to ask is, how does being separated from the person that you are deciding to commit to, help in the decision making process? Isn't this contradictory to the discovery of the question?
 
I know, man. I cringed the fuck out of it, too.
To be fair, I only did this once when I was younger, ended up marrying him against my intuition of waiting, and 8 years later finally left after I was destroyed inside. Trust me, I'll never ever do that again. I'm only saying I understand.
 
I know... nuts, right? Sometimes people really do mean what they say.

I know its easier said than done, especially when our insecurities are driving the panic bus, but if we care about someone and they haven't given us a reason to distrust them, it's better to trust and see what happens next than drive ourselves crazy looking for hidden motives.

*my autocorrect is on the fritz today, holy hell lmao

Yes. It's a gamble. New relationships are always a gamble. Sometimes we get lucky, and sometimes we don't. I know it's hard NOT to overthink but wouldn't it be easier to just take their word for it? When it falls apart, then that's the loss. We aren't stupid for taking their word for it, we simply trusted their accountability to their words. If they prove unworthy of that trust, we move one.

What we're doing here is projecting all potential possibilities and all that remain possible until one of them finally comes true. Thus, wait it out. Meanwhile, act from your heart. If your heart wants you to wait and be foolish, go ahead. Simply know when to end the foolishness to dust yourself off and get back up again. Needless to say, you did this to yourself. You took the gamble and even I can't say you're stupid for doing so.


While I understand, I can't help it.

LMAO. God bless our souls.
 
Yes. It's a gamble. New relationships are always a gamble. Sometimes we get lucky, and sometimes we don't. I know it's hard NOT to overthink but wouldn't it be easier to just take their word for it? When it falls apart, then that's the loss. We aren't stupid for taking their word for it, we simply trusted their accountability to their words. If they prove unworthy of that trust, we move one.

What we're doing here is projecting all potential possibilities and all that remain possible until one of them finally comes true. Thus, wait it out. Meanwhile, act from your heart. If your heart wants you to wait and be foolish, go ahead. Simply know when to end the foolishness to dust yourself off and get back up again. Needless to say, you did this to yourself. You took the gamble and even I can't say you're stupid for doing so.
I hear you. But that is not how growth and experience occur.

The only way to learn and grow in anything is to go through the motions, fail, learn from it, then try again. This is a proven methodology for growth.

I get that you are not going to find "Mr. Right" at your first time at the plate, but that doesn't mean that you can't learn from the experience, which will provide a much deeper view into what you are looking for in a man.
 
Taking time for what exactly?

I get that women must be more cautious in their decision to commit, but wouldn't it be better to make that decision while in the presence of that person?

I guess what I'm trying to ask is, how does being separated from the person that you are deciding to commit to, help in the decision making process? Isn't this contradictory to the discovery of the question?


The presence of that person would only muddle my perception of my own wants because I am way too keen on making this new person in my life comfortable. Until I am able to be myself with this person, without restraints and fears of rejection, I will not commit. I need time off to remember what I want without overconsidering the other. It's very easy for someone like me to let my life revolve around the other, which is unhealthy. Distance and detachment helps me manage that. Until I am confident that I can be myself around someone, without major and self-harming compromise, I will take my time.

Though honestly it always gets complicated because the other always thinks I'm playing them, which I'm not. God. If they could just see what I busy myself with in their absence, they wouldn't feel the need to doubt. With a previous, we addressed this by being completely honest to each other. After we take the time off, we tell each other every single thing that transpired within that time and let our intuition and faith manage it. It worked until he got tired and wanted someone else. Seeeeee? Negation.
 
I hear you. But that is not how growth and experience occur.

The only way to learn and grow in anything is to go through the motions, fail, learn from it, then try again. This is a proven methodology for growth.

I get that you are not going to find "Mr. Right" at your first time at the plate, but that doesn't mean that you can't learn from the experience, which will provide a much deeper view into what you are looking for in a man.

There is a time and space for this growth, adjustment, and compromise and that is within the relationship which values some amount of space and breathing individuality. I believe the argument was on the validity of needing time. Note that "relationship" encompasses friendship, fubu, fling, romance, serious fling, serious commitment. It need not be a serious commitment and simply a bond between two individuals.

Hehehe. I'm going to put in a smiley just so you know I'm not riled up. I just want to chime in. Mehehhee :)
 
In regards to the connection her and I have, she told me I'm one of only 8 people she's really connected with this deeply in her life. One of them was her only ex boyfriend, one of them was the INTP she no longer talks to, one was Galya (the other girl in this situation), one was Eugenia (her best friend who she also happened to kiss), me, and I don't know the other 3.

In terms of how connected I am with her, I've only felt this connected and in sync with one other person in my life, who was also an INFJ. I don't even feel this much of a connection with my best friend in the whole world; she's an ESFJ and I'd die for her.
 
There is a time and space for this growth, adjustment, and compromise and that is within the relationship which values some amount of space and breathing individuality. I believe the argument was on the validity of needing time. Note that "relationship" encompasses friendship, fubu, fling, romance, serious fling, serious commitment. It need not be a serious commitment and simply a bond between two individuals.

Hehehe. I'm going to put in a smiley just so you know I'm not riled up. I just want to chime in. Mehehhee :)
You are an absolute sweetheart. It never occurred to me that you were ever riled up. Truly.

I'm just saying that if you want to have a successful relationship, you better do all the messing up while you are still young.

Torturing men through indecisiveness is not the way to go about it. I really feel bad now for the poor guy who wrote this post after reading many of these comments. I'm so glad that I'm married, because dating is frustrating.

If ya'll want to keep using the "wish in one hand, and shit in the other, and see which fill up first" approach, you are going to be very unhappy, and drive a lot of guys to insanity. I know men can drive you guys crazy to, but we're talking about women in this post.
 
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