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are you saying that the US is a racist endevour?



aren't bookchin and graeber anarchists though?

that would mean they would be against centralised government control and therefore they would be opposed to 'the left'

Yes, although I wouldn’t use the word “endeavor”, but rather “regime”.

Yes, Graeber is an anarchist. Bookchin has anarchistic leanings but uses the term Communalist. I am also an anarchist, and very radically-left. If you think anarchists are opposed to leftist ideals, you demonstrate a lack of understanding of either anarchism, leftism, or both, and hence any discussion along these points cannot be continued. I don’t have the time or desire to provide you an education.
 
No shit lol

when i was doing internet searches for something i stumbled on this web page that looks at whether the US is turning towards communism. I don't know anything about the website i just saw this page and found it interesting. Have a look and see what you think:

The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto
1848 by Karl Heinrich Marx

How "Marxist" Has the United States Become?


Although Marx advocated the use of any means, especially including violent revolution, to bring about socialist dictatorship, he suggested ten political goals for developed countries such as the United States. How far has the United States -- traditionally the bastion of freedom, free markets, and private property -- gone down the Marxist road to fulfill these socialist aims? You be the judge. The following are Marx's ten planks from his Communist Manifesto.

1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.
The courts have interpreted the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868) to give the government far more "eminent domain" power than was originally intended, Under the rubric of "eminent domain" and various zoning regulations, land use regulations by the Bureau of Land Managementproperty taxes, and "environmental" excuses, private property rights have become very diluted and private property in landis, vehicles, and other forms are seized almost every day in this country under the "forfeiture" provisions of the RICO statutes and the so-called War on Drugs..

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
The 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913 (which some scholars maintain was never properly ratified), and various State income taxes, established this major Marxist coup in the United States many decades ago. These taxes continue to drain the lifeblood out of the American economy and greatly reduce the accumulation of desperately needed capital for future growth, business starts, job creation, and salary increases.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Another Marxian attack on private property rights is in the form of Federal & State estate taxes and other inheritance taxes, which have abolished or at least greatly diluted the right of private property owners to determine the disposition and distribution of their estates upon their death. Instead, government bureaucrats get their greedy hands involved .

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
We call it government seizures, tax liens, "forfeiture" Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
The Federal Reserve System, created by the Federal Reserve Act of Congress in 1913, is indeed such a "national bank" and it politically manipulates interest rates and holds a monopoly on legal counterfeiting in the United States. This is exactly what Marx had in mind and completely fulfills this plank, another major socialist objective. Yet, most Americans naively believe the U.S. of A. is far from a Marxist or socialist nation.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.
In the U.S., communication and transportation are controlled and regulated by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) established by the Communications Act of 1934 and the Department of Transportation and the Interstate Commerce Commission (established by Congress in 1887), and the Federal Aviation Administration as well as Executive orders 11490, 10999 -- not to mention various state bureaucracies and regulations. There is also the federal postal monopoly, AMTRAK and CONRAIL -- outright socialist (government-owned) enterprises. Instead of free-market private enteprrise in these important industries, these fields in America are semi-cartelized through the government's regulatory-industiral complex.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
While the U.S. does not have vast "collective farms" (which failed so miserably in the Soviet Union), we nevertheless do have a significant degree of government involvement in agriculture in the form of price support subsidies and acreage alotments and land-use controls. The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
We call it the Planning Reorganization Act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.
People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .
http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/tenplanks.html
 
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Yes, although I wouldn’t use the word “endeavor”, but rather “regime”.

Yes, Graeber is an anarchist. Bookchin has anarchistic leanings but uses the term Communalist. I am also an anarchist, and very radically-left. If you think anarchists are opposed to leftist ideals, you demonstrate a lack of understanding of either anarchism, leftism, or both, and hence any discussion along these points cannot be continued. I don’t have the time or desire to provide you an education.

i don't lack an understanding therefore your time will not be wasted!

do you consider all nation states to be racist endevours or just the US?
 
Trump is funny. I like him as president. At least his shenanigans make me laugh. But I get an even bigger kick from the haters. Unfortunately, he won't last in power. I say unfortunately not because I want him in power, but I am more afraid of what's to come. Also saying I like him as a president is viable to me as I have long ago come to discredit any power a president actually has. A funny mouthpiece is better to me than a crowd-pleasing one. Either way, a mouthpiece, not a source of power.
 
I am also an anarchist, and very radically-left. If you think anarchists are opposed to leftist ideals, you demonstrate a lack of understanding of either anarchism, leftism, or both

so who do you think should get to hold the magic wand?
 
Trump is funny. I like him as president. At least his shenanigans make me laugh. But I get an even bigger kick from the haters. Unfortunately, he won't last in power. I say unfortunately not because I want him in power, but I am more afraid of what's to come. Also saying I like him as a president is viable to me as I have long ago come to discredit any power a president actually has. A funny mouthpiece is better to me than a crowd-pleasing one. Either way, a mouthpiece, not a source of power.

he is kinda funny

i think he enjoys playing the trickster
 
The six categories are too disembodied from practical examples. Ask me a real world question and I will answer it.

do you think the US should exist as a nation state or should it dissolve its borders and lose its integrity as a nation with its own language, culture, constitution and style?
 
I understand why you'd think that, and I like you too, bud. Doesn't change my opinion.

so where do you stand on the 6 points?

also why do you feel so many people are reluctant to really dig down into their politics?

its easy to bash trump or any politician for that matter but when it comes to really digging down into how we would like things to be people become a bit more wishy washy or cagey

why is that?
 
so where do you stand on the 6 points?

Jebus dude...what about the six points?
Where do you stand of the 6 POINTS!
6 points!
Tell me about the six points?!
Those super convoluted and BS questions?
Yes...where do you stand...you couldn’t possibly know anything unless they have answered THE SIX POINTS!
 
Jebus dude...what about the six points?
Where do you stand of the 6 POINTS!
6 points!
Tell me about the six points?!
Those super convoluted and BS questions?
Yes...where do you stand...you couldn’t possibly know anything unless they have answered THE SIX POINTS!

do you think you could maybe contribute to the discussion instead of trying to attack me?

I'm looking at 6 big issues of our day and asking people how they feel about them
 
Just being a normal country and letting the people decide on their own how they want to live.

that sounds like libertarianism

so i'm guessing you wouldn't like an all powerful government telling you down to the fine detail how to live your life?
 
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