Left or Liberal?

Left or Liberal?

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kinglear said:
did you know that hilary clinton was a big fan of the communist saul alinksy who wrote a manifesto on how to subvert western society?
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Alinsky's book (if you mean Rules for Radicals) I hear is often misunderstood as that when really it's just a generic guide to resisting the status quo. At least that's what I heard. I think Alinsky is a communist but that book is not a communist book per se- assuming what I've heard is correct.
 
JennyDaniella said:
Trump displays his arrogance, idiocy, racism, xenophobic misogynistic tendencies, and his Jupiter-sized ego to the public with no shame, and in a way, relishes in it and enjoys the attention.

Of course he would receive more backlash from the public. The man shows his true colors in front of the whole world to see with no absolute remorse.

I mean, what more is there to clarify why Trump has been receiving all the backlash? Yes, many politicians are corrupt, no denying about it—however, Trump takes it on a whole new level and goes with stride and a smile on his face.

Not sure why you even have to wonder in the first place and do this comparison as to why Trump receives all the deserved treatment and criticism. Many of us have already clarified on this thread and you are still wondering why?
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just playing devils advocate here....so are you saying that obama did not enjoy the limelight?

are you saying that he didn't go about his business with a stride and a smile?

can i ask where you stand on the 6 points i posted above?
 
Reason said:
Alinsky's book (if you mean Rules for Radicals) I hear is often misunderstood as that when really it's just a generic guide to resisting the status quo. At least that's what I heard. I think Alinsky is a communist but that book is not a communist book per se- assuming what I've heard is correct.
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if he was a communist then he believed in a world revolution and any activism he was pursuing was simply a stepping stone towards that final goal
 
kinglear said:
if he was a communist then he believed in a world revolution and any activism he was pursuing was simply a stepping stone towards that final goal
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True but that doesn't make his book a communist manifesto is my point (again assuming my information is correct, I haven't read it)
 
kinglear said:
just playing devils advocate here....so are you saying that obama did not enjoy the limelight?

are you saying that he didn't go about his business with a stride and a smile?

can i ask where you stand on the 6 points i posted above?
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Comparing Obama and Trump is like comparing apples to oranges.

It’s pretty darn obvious you aren’t even listening to what anybody is saying on this thread and completely disregarding perspectives here.
 
Reason said:
I think antifa and thier allies are a substained threat to our country as much white nationalits are..
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antifa act a lot like the nationalist socialist brownshirts did in nazi germany by seeking to beat up and intimidate their political opponents

they say they are 'anti fascist' but one definition of fascism is when state and corporate power merge and it seems that many of the big corporations are on antifas side

also if antifa could shape society they would create a communist state which would then take all power from the individual and give it to the state which would rule as a dictatorship

does that give them moral high ground or would it lead to an oppressive society?
 
JennyDaniella said:
Comparing Obama and Trump is like comparing apples to oranges.

It’s pretty darn obvious you aren’t even listening to what anybody is saying on this thread and completely disregarding perspectives here.
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ok so educate me

how do trump and obama compare on those 6 points listed above?
 
kinglear said:
antifa act a lot like the nationalist socialist brownshirts did in nazi germany by seeking to beat up and intimidate their political opponents

they say they are 'anti fascist' but one definition of fascism is when state and corporate power merge and it seems that many of the big corporations are on antifas side

also if antifa could shape society they would create a communist state which would then take all power from the individual and give it to the state which would rule as a dictatorship
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@kinglear don't you know, REAL communism hasn't been tried, 80th times the charm :tearsofjoy:
 
Reason said:
[Sarcasm]
@kinglear don't you know, REAL communism hasn't been tried, 80th times the charm :tearsofjoy:
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hmmm yeah mao gave it a pretty good try and killed over 60 million of his own people

pol pot gave it a good go and killed a third of his countrymen and women

the bolsheviks and then stalin gave it a good try in russia and killed 60-100 million people

i watched the vietnam war documentary on netflix recently and the communists kept sending boys down with only 3 weeks training to be bombed to bits in south vietnam. Crazy loses the communist politburo where willing to inflict on their own people

and so on...

god only knows what kind of horrors would erupt in the US if it took over there. Imagine how many people would have to be removed or re-educated
 
The problem is that nobody really knows or believes how close we are to those kinds of scenarios. People are apathetic until it's on their doorstep.
 
Reason said:
@kinglear are you a Trump supporter or just asking questions for clarification's sake?
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no i think he is a reality TV star playing a part

the question is: what is that part he is playing?

however i do see some good aspects and some bad aspects

I don't like his aggression towards Iran but i do like the quashing of political correctness because i think that destruction of freedom of speech is a slippery slope that leads to authoritarianism which in turn would provoke a counter response which could then lead to civil war

are you a trump fan?
 
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kinglear said:
I don't like his aggression towards Iran but i do like the quashing of political correctness because i think that destruction of freedom of speech is a slippery slope that leads to authoritarianism which in turn would provoke a counter response which could then lead to civil war
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That's a lot of steps
 
Wyote said:
The problem is that nobody really knows or believes how close we are to those kinds of scenarios. People are apathetic until it's on their doorstep.
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if you were a boxing fan and you knew the fighters and their styles and their histories and a fight was coming up and you made a call on who was going to win

your friend on the other hand knows nothing about boxing because he doesn't pay it any attention. he also makes a call on who is going to win

one of you is basing your opinion on a lot of data while the other also has an opinion but has no data to base it on except surface info ie the appearance of the fighters

not everyone pays as much attention
 
kinglear said:
one of you is basing your opinion on a lot of data while the other also has an opinion but has no data to base it on except surface info ie the appearance of the fighters

not everyone pays as much attention
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No one pays enough attention. Everyone thinks they know the most.
 
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