Why don't women make the first move?

Anywhere But Here said:
Yes, but I think you missed my point. I am referring to women that use this as a flirting technique. They try to make themselves appear weak and helpless. She is the damsel in distress and she needs a big, strong man to come along to show off his brute strength. She pouts her lips and talks like a baby while twirling her hair. I just threw up. And there are guys out that that eat this up. They love being that guy.

If she really needs help then that's one thing but you can usually tell when that is not what's going on.
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You don't seem to get it. Even when women don't use any kind of technique for suggesting weakness, women are still weak.
They are not weak in a objective sense, but its correct to say they are weaker then men.
I mean, this is evident even in the physical aspect, shoulders, legs, arms...just everything.
 
LucyJr said:
You don't seem to get it. Even when women don't use any kind of technique for suggesting weakness, women are still weak.
They are not weak in a objective sense, but its correct to say they are weaker then men.
I mean, this is evident even in the physical aspect, shoulders, legs, arms...just everything.
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.. This lady doesn't look weak XD.
 
Green Seas said:
True, everyone has their tastes but I think the issue here is that social expectations and restrictions are preventing people from being themselves. Some women want to chase and some men want to be chased (actually I think everyone wants a little bit of both, at least sometimes) but we feel like we shouldn't and the other person (and everyone who sees/hears of it) would judge us if we did.
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That's alot of bullshit, and I strongly disagree.
I don't think there has been, will be, and is anywhere is this whole world a single man that "wants to be chased".
I am speaking of a man, not a boy.

But I could agree with you on the "women want to chase" part. But those are a special kind of women, those who are 'their own woman" with the men who didn't grow up.
They don't try the "chasing" trick with grown up men, because
1. There is nothing to chase.
2. She will probably take shame and act ridiculously.

I'm sorry, I just had to speak this out. Its a lie, its not true that some wome are chasers. They chase only the weak guys, to empower their fantasies of how strong are they as women. But if they meet a strong man, a grown up man, it won't work, because naturaly the pride of man is much bigger than that of a woman.
Should I tell you that also as soon as a woman tries not to appear as a weak woman, she is on the defensive side?
 
Mishyou said:
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.. This lady doesn't look weak XD.
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But she is still weak, because her constitution is weak. She is strong for her constitution, and stronger even then other men, but its in report with the constitution of the female body.
Take a picture of a man who has muscle, and you can see the truth.

This is about the nature (consituition) of the female and the male body. Its like you would take a lion and a wolf. Naturaly, the lion will always have a kind of natural advantage, because that's how a lion is.
This is what I'm trying to say...naturaly, the physical consitution of the man is stronger. And this is not just with regard to the physical aspect, but also to the mental aspect.
 
LucyJr said:
You don't seem to get it. Even when women don't use any kind of technique for suggesting weakness, women are still weak.
They are not weak in a objective sense, but its correct to say they are weaker then men.
I mean, this is evident even in the physical aspect, shoulders, legs, arms...just everything.
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This is the stupidest thing I have ever read.
 
LucyJr said:
That's alot of bullshit, and I strongly disagree.
I don't think there has been, will be, and is anywhere is this whole world a single man that "wants to be chased".
I am speaking of a man, not a boy.

But I could agree with you on the "women want to chase" part. But those are a special kind of women, those who are 'their own woman" with the men who didn't grow up.
They don't try the "chasing" trick with grown up men, because
1. There is nothing to chase.
2. She will probably take shame and act ridiculously.

I'm sorry, I just had to speak this out. Its a lie, its not true that some wome are chasers. They chase only the weak guys, to empower their fantasies of how strong are they as women. But if they meet a strong man, a grown up man, it won't work, because naturaly the pride of man is much bigger than that of a woman.
Should I tell you that also as soon as a woman tries not to appear as a weak woman, she is on the defensive side?
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I stand corrected. This may be the stupidest thing I have ever read. You seem to have little or no experience with women or relationships. So I will laugh at you and let this slide.
 
LucyJr said:
But she is still weak, because her constitution is weak. She is strong for her constitution, and stronger even then other men, but its in report with the constitution of the female body.
Take a picture of a man who has muscle, and you can see the truth.

This is about the nature (consituition) of the female and the male body. Its like you would take a lion and a wolf. Naturaly, the lion will always have a kind of natural advantage, because that's how a lion is.
This is what I'm trying to say...naturaly, the physical consitution of the man is stronger. And this is not just with regard to the physical aspect, but also to the mental aspect.
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I get what you mean. There were other images I've found of other female bodybuilders who were much more larger and more muscular than this, but I thought those images may have been a little too explicit for this thread.

Yes, generally men are larger than women, and yes, generally women do prefer to be in a relationship with men who are more stronger physically. But women don't only chase "weak" guys. I don't have fantasies of how "strong" I am, either. I consider myself to be quite feminine.. I like to be chased (But it is a turn off when a guy is too aggressive and forward initially), but I also like to chase as well. I'm sure many other ladies can relate to that. Just because a woman initiates contact doesn't mean that she'll have to be dominant in every aspect throughout the entire relationship.
 
Mishyou said:
I get what you mean. There were other images I've found of other female bodybuilders who were much more larger and more muscular than this, but I thought those images may have been a little too explicit for this thread.

Yes, generally men are larger than women, and yes, generally women do prefer to be in a relationship with men who are more stronger physically. But women don't only chase "weak" guys. I don't have fantasies of how "strong" I am, either. I consider myself to be quite feminine.. I like to be chased (But it is a turn off when a guy is too aggressive and forward initially), but I also like to chase as well. I'm sure many other ladies can relate to that. Just because a woman initiates contact doesn't mean that she'll have to be dominant in every aspect throughout the entire relationship.
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Yes. Having confidence to make a move has nothing to do with wanting to dominate the person. God forbid a woman who knows what she wants! What is the world coming to!
 
LucyJr said:
That's alot of bullshit, and I strongly disagree.
I don't think there has been, will be, and is anywhere is this whole world a single man that "wants to be chased".
I am speaking of a man, not a boy.

But I could agree with you on the "women want to chase" part. But those are a special kind of women, those who are 'their own woman" with the men who didn't grow up.
They don't try the "chasing" trick with grown up men, because
1. There is nothing to chase.
2. She will probably take shame and act ridiculously.

I'm sorry, I just had to speak this out. Its a lie, its not true that some wome are chasers. They chase only the weak guys, to empower their fantasies of how strong are they as women. But if they meet a strong man, a grown up man, it won't work, because naturaly the pride of man is much bigger than that of a woman.
Should I tell you that also as soon as a woman tries not to appear as a weak woman, she is on the defensive side?
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Well sorry I pissed you off; it was just my opinion.
And here's more of it.

By want to be chased I meant that they don't always want to be the ones starting everything which I think is true. And trust me, if you can think it, then there is a guy somewhere that likes it.

And as far as women only doing the 'chasing' for weak guys to empower their 'fantasy' of being strong women, well maybe they just like the guy and don't think he's aware or going to make a move first. Women, or so I've been told, have their own wants that they may occasionally want to fulfill. And there's nothing wrong with that. If people think there is, they're wrong.

Also, you seem to think that men are obsessed about their pride and always want things on their terms, which IMO, sounds like a spoilt, immature brat to me.
 
Of shit...look what I started. I will try to answer nicely to each one.
 
LucyJr said:
Of shit...look what I started. I will try to answer nicely to each one.
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Of shit? Are you referring to what you are full of? There is no need to nicely respond or even respond to my posts so save yourself the hassle. I will not be reading any of your silliness anymore, Mr. Troll.
 
I have to point out here the fallacy created when people claim that equality means being exactly the same. That 'argument' is used as a red herring by people who want to discredit equality but know that that position is not defensible. There are problems with some areas of feminist thought but nowhere does it promote that men and women need to be exactly the same. It's the opposite, it promotes the right to be whatever we want to be and not be told we have to be something specific in society, which means the right to be different and not to fit in to a mold of what a man or a woman is supposed to be and supposed to do. Equality for everyone doesn't mean that everyone is exactly the same just like equality of the sexes doesn't mean that women and men are all exactly the same. No two women are exactly the same so how are we expected to have men and women exactly the same?

Equality for the sexes means that your competences and worth is not judged by your sex, that you have an equal opportunity to have a career and support yourself or to be in a partnership where you can raise your children without being deemed a 'lesser' man or woman because you aren't employed outside the home, that you can choose to not have children if you don't wish to, that you can have the same opportunity to vie for the same job and be judged on your capabilities without bias, to be paid fairly for the job that you do, to have equal voting rights and an equal say in the running of government and social institutions, etc...and the freedom to not have to fit into a preconceived idea of what a woman and a man is.

Here is a demonstration that might help people understand equality:


1+5+6+8 = 2 x 10 = 5+25-8-2 = 3 x 3 + 11 = 2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2 = 1150 - 1130 = .25 x 80 = .5 + .75 + 18.75

These are all equal but different. That is what equality is.
 
LucyJr said:
Well...why? Let's argue together. If you can prove me wrong and stupid, then I will apologise.
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You are proving it just fine on your own. You don't need my help. Carry on.
 
LucyJr said:
That's alot of bullshit, and I strongly disagree.
I don't think there has been, will be, and is anywhere is this whole world a single man that "wants to be chased".
I am speaking of a man, not a boy.

But I could agree with you on the "women want to chase" part. But those are a special kind of women, those who are 'their own woman" with the men who didn't grow up.
They don't try the "chasing" trick with grown up men, because
1. There is nothing to chase.
2. She will probably take shame and act ridiculously.

I'm sorry, I just had to speak this out. Its a lie, its not true that some wome are chasers. They chase only the weak guys, to empower their fantasies of how strong are they as women. But if they meet a strong man, a grown up man, it won't work, because naturaly the pride of man is much bigger than that of a woman.
Should I tell you that also as soon as a woman tries not to appear as a weak woman, she is on the defensive side?
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It is very immature to think that you know the 'truth' about everything without any proof except your own subjective opinion. You have a lot to learn.
 
Anywhere But Here said:
I stand corrected. This may be the stupidest thing I have ever read. You seem to have little or no experience with women or relationships. So I will laugh at you and let this slide.
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I don't have that much experiece with women, because I'm not a womaniser, this of course if for you experience means "intimate experiece" or something of that sort.
But I grew up with alot of women, I acted like a boy around them when I was a boy, and because I'm a pretty smart guy, I learned alot. One of the things I learned is that in any woman there is almost a instinctual tendency to manipulation, by means of the simplest possible things.
Also I've learned that women have a pride of their own, a kind of condescending pride, a vain pride sort of speak, which is dangerous when it gets out. Such a pride that it can hurt people, and sometimes it can be a real danger.
God forbids to be the target of a woman jealousy, because there is nothing more stupid and ugly then that.
Should I tell you more?


Wait wait, perhaps you will think I am a victim, a kind of freak that hates the entire race of women, and this is the reason of why I have such a "stupid" view of them.
But I'm sorry, that's not true at all. I like women alot, especialy in my years, because I am young. I genuinely like women, and in case another last chance might slip into you head, yes, many many pretty girls genuinely like me as a guy, some of the prettiest, actualy.
 
Green Seas said:
Well sorry I pissed you off; it was just my opinion.
And here's more of it.

By want to be chased I meant that they don't always want to be the ones starting everything which I think is true. And trust me, if you can think it, then there is a guy somewhere that likes it.
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Now I think I kind of see your point. You are reffering to the dating game, like when guys date girls for the sake of dating, changing girls like socks, and the reverse its also true of course. Yeah, of course I can imagine that after a while, the guy who is used to chase gets bored by that, and he wants to spice up that thing. But for him is not the girl the objective, but the game, the thrill, the adventure, the lack of boredoom. When things are real, I don't think its true.

And as far as women only doing the 'chasing' for weak guys to empower their 'fantasy' of being strong women, well maybe they just like the guy and don't think he's aware or going to make a move first. Women, or so I've been told, have their own wants that they may occasionally want to fulfill. And there's nothing wrong with that. If people think there is, they're wrong.
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Yeap, I agree with this. But then again, this is not what things should be like.
If a shy guys dies shy at 80 years old...that's not how things are supposed to be. Do you get what I mean?


Also, you seem to think that men are obsessed about their pride and always want things on their terms, which IMO, sounds like a spoilt, immature brat to me.
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I thing you got a wrong picture. What you imagine is true for two cases: in the case of a boy who isn't confident in him enough and thus acts immaturely, and in the case of the everlasting woman.
But the pirde of a man is different. Its not vanity, its REAL, its there, and when you see it happening, its just fking amazing!
 
Women do seem to be less active in the chasing part, and there's nothing wrong with it, i think there are plenty of good reasons for that, and i don't think it's something imposed by an oppresive society. I like the chase better, that doesn't mean that i want to dominate someone, i just happen to be more comfortable in that position.

The reality is that initiating is HARD to do and people don't want to do it generally but the cultural expectation is for men to do it
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I remember watching this pick-up artist a few years ago, Mystery, and he said that men have usually a hard time approaching women because of neurological reasons. In prehistorical ages, he said, the most good looking girl would usually go to the stronger one, or the chief if you want. So if some other guy tried to get close to her, his head will be smashed by the chief, or they will throw him out and leave him alone so he'll die and period. This fear got printed in our brains according to him. Pretty much a mayhem scenario for our brains still.
Now i don't know if this is actually true anyway, but there are some basis to make such claims.
 
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muir said:
Well first of all i'll take you a lot more seriously when i become convinced that you are not targetting me the whole time in different threads with the sole purpose of trying to discredit me

You seem to have some sort of personal issue with me

You are also calling yourself '57' which is a strange coincidence because out of the infinate combination of numbers that you could have chosen as a name you have chosen the number that 'Stu' used in his thread about conspiracy theories in which he was trying to discredit me and some of the things i was saying

You're not Stu using another username are you?

Concerning the point you have raised i have explained very clearly in this thread what i am talking about and i think the thread has covered some interesting ground

So you might find this hard but try and focus on the issue at hand instead of making attacks on me for example accusing me of being 'insidious' as you have done in this case and try and appreciate that this thread has in fact created an interesting discussion
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57 is the year of my birth

Thanks of addressing my points.
 
Blessed is he who understands the woman.
Which is pretty rare, but its worthy.
 
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